Consumer Reports picks 'Best Cars'

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DETROIT, March 4 (Reuters) - Japanese automobiles are the true kings of the road, judging by the latest annual "Best Cars" issue of Consumer Reports magazine, which hits newsstands next week.

All but one of the vehicles in the magazine's list of "top picks" in 10 different categories for 2005 are Japanese. The exception is Ford's small-sized Focus sedan.

Japanese vehicles also score a clean sweep on a list of 21 vehicles that Consumer Reports says it can recommend because they earned "very good" or "excellent" scores in all five major ratings areas it tested.

The recommendations are important since the spring auto issue from Consumer Reports, which accepts no paid advertising or free samples of the products its reviews, has long been seen as a trusted shopping guide by many U.S. car buyers.

Anything that could accelerate the rate of defection away from Detroit's mass market automakers is clearly bad news for the likes of General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. as they continue to lose market share to fast-growing foreign rivals.

The Big Three can take solace, however, from a Consumer Reports survey showing for the second consecutive year that the average domestic car is more reliable than its average European counterpart.

That trend, which gives Detroit at least some bragging rights, was reported by Consumer Reports for the first time in 24 years in its previous auto issue, in 2004.

Reliability results this year were based on responses from Consumer Report subscribers about a record 810,000 privately owned or leased cars and trucks.

Japanese and Korean automakers once again produced the most trouble-free models, with an overall problem rate of 12 per 100 for the 2004 model year, the same rate they have had for the last three years, Consumer Reports said.

It said GM, Ford and the Chrysler side of DaimlerChrysler AG inched closer to the Asians with an overall problem rate of 17 per 100, however. That matched the industry average and was down from a combined rate of 18 per 100 last year.

By contrast, the problem rate for European automakers rose slightly to 21 per 100 from 20 last year.

"Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, and Volvo had more than their fair share of problems. Only Audi came out better than average," the magazine said.

"The most reliable brand overall is now Subaru, which averages eight problems per 100," Consumer Reports said. It noted that Honda Motor Co. Ltd., long a reliability leader, now averaged nine problems per 100.


http://money.cnn.com/2005/03/04/pf/autos/bc.autos.survey.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes
 

Phokus

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ford "wheels fall off/engine catches on fire" focus isn't best of anything.
 

Caminetto

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I love the Consumer Reports reliability scores. They are compiled from surveys of owners and are so accurate as to what will go wrong with a car that it's downright scary.
 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: Caminetto
I love the Consumer Reports reliability scores. They are compiled from surveys of owners and are so accurate as to what will go wrong with a car that it's downright scary.


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BTW, an average owner KNOWS if there something wrong with the car or not. They might not know whats wrong with it, but when ur car break down out of nowhere THEY KNOW
 

DingDingDao

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The thing about Consumer Reports is, they really are very good in terms of predicting reliability, durability, and generally how well a car will hold up. What they don't seem to get is that there is more to a car than just reliability. Yeah, a I4 Camry is really reliable and will get you from point A to point B daily without problems. But an I4 Camry might possibly be the single most boring car ever to exist on this planet. It's slow, soft, and generally completely uninteresting when it comes to driving fun.

What about performance? HP? Torque? Skidpad? Are there any fun people at CR at all?
 

Ornery

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Jesus H Christ! 10 fvcking categories, none of which is full size! And, they want to talk about "king of the road" :roll: Asswipes! :|
 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: DingDingDao

What about performance? HP? Torque? Skidpad? Are there any fun people at CR at all?

You don't deserve to drive if you don't know how much HP you car has.
 

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Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: DingDingDao

What about performance? HP? Torque? Skidpad? Are there any fun people at CR at all?

You don't deserve to drive if you don't know how much HP you car has.


Not my point. My point is that they don't consider these factors when they put the label, "Best Car" on something. They're primarily concerned with reliability and durability, not entertainment factor, which is a big point that they're missing.

EDIT: btw, I know exactly how much HP and torque my car produces. I'd be willing to bet that a very large number of people don't know how much HP their car produces. Actually, I'd be willing to bet that a vast number of people don't even know the engine layout in their car (I4? V6? I6? V8?) You want all these people to stop driving???

Wait...actually, that's a pretty good idea...
 

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Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: DingDingDao

What about performance? HP? Torque? Skidpad? Are there any fun people at CR at all?

You don't deserve to drive if you don't know how much HP you car has.

Who cares how much power a Camry has.

 

DingDingDao

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Originally posted by: DaTT
Originally posted by: iversonyin
Originally posted by: DingDingDao

What about performance? HP? Torque? Skidpad? Are there any fun people at CR at all?

You don't deserve to drive if you don't know how much HP you car has.

Who cares how much power a Camry has.

You should get a job with CR. You're proving my point--if performance was a factor, the Camry would drop in the ratings.
 

rh71

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may I ask why [common] American-made cars are inferior in terms of reliability ? Do we spend less time/money in the QA / R&D departments or do our engineers suck compared to overseas or what ? What is the problem ?
 

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Originally posted by: rh71
may I ask why [common] American-made cars are inferior ? Do we spend less time/money in the QA / R&D departments or do our engineers suck compared to overseas or what ? What is the problem ?

american manufacturers are down about $2000 per car to the japanese in labor costs because of all the pensions of all the UAW workers who haven't died since their contracts were negotiated in the 1960s.
 

Squisher

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Don't they understand the ATOT mantra, Domestic=bad foreign=good?
Originally posted by: rh71
may I ask why [common] American-made cars are inferior in terms of reliability ? Do we spend less time/money in the QA / R&D departments or do our engineers suck compared to overseas or what ? What is the problem ?
There is a real good possibility that my company is going to be making axles for the 2007 Tundra and Tacoma. I can't wait to have some first hand dealings with some engineers from Toyota to see how they differ.

 

CrackRabbit

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The thing is that the domestic car companies are putting out MUCH better products that they were even 5 years ago. Think of all the changes that have gone on and the horrible cars that have been replaced by ones that are much better. As they continue to refine thier product lines it will only get better. I have no problems with buying a domestic made car at all.

 

Turkish

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japan: material specification to the point
america: material specification within range.

that's why.
 

preslove

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Consumer Repots' job is to tell consumers wheter what they're buying will break too often. There are plenty of car enthusiast magazines to tell you about fun factor.
 

OS

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Originally posted by: DingDingDao
The thing about Consumer Reports is, they really are very good in terms of predicting reliability, durability, and generally how well a car will hold up. What they don't seem to get is that there is more to a car than just reliability. Yeah, a I4 Camry is really reliable and will get you from point A to point B daily without problems. But an I4 Camry might possibly be the single most boring car ever to exist on this planet. It's slow, soft, and generally completely uninteresting when it comes to driving fun.

What about performance? HP? Torque? Skidpad? Are there any fun people at CR at all?

They don't use that criteria and they shouldn't. There are a dozen different pop car rags that you can read for reviews like that.

CR is pretty much the only publication of it's type and scope and doing otherwise would make them no different from any of the other car rags.

 

vi edit

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They don't use that criteria and they shouldn't. There are a dozen different pop car rags that you can read for reviews like that.

CR is pretty much the only publication of it's type and scope and doing otherwise would make them no different from any of the other car rags.

Yep. Their job is to give completely objective reviews and not include any subjective opinions on looks/driving dynamics/fun factors/ect.

 

iversonyin

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Originally posted by: rh71
may I ask why [common] American-made cars are inferior in terms of reliability ? Do we spend less time/money in the QA / R&D departments or do our engineers suck compared to overseas or what ? What is the problem ?


Its an old tradition of quality management. One of my professor said when he use to buy a car back in 50s and 60s, you would have to take the car home and write down a list of stuffs thats wrong with the car, and send it back to dealer to fix them.

American manufacutures are getting better in term of quality control in order to compete with foriegn cars.



 

Squisher

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Originally posted by: The Boss
japan: material specification to the point
america: material specification within range.

that's why.

That's just Bullshit.

Nothing is perfect. Every spec falls within a range.

 
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