Contagion spreading among the vaccinated

[UNCjigga]

Yeah I am cool with showing my vaccination card that is fine just that would never work at a concert for large event. The line would take forever and it would be super simple to scam. Plus business wouldn’t check or would back down at the first resistance. They are in a people business and turning someone away from a sammich is going to be bad wether it is Karen making a scene or jimmy leaving a bad review or some dude who goes somewhere else that will serve him and continues to go there.

I mean, for fucks sake, tracking vaccination status, expiration and proof of documentation has been a standard part of HR/ERP software for decades? I remember doing data entry for new hires back in high school and tracking this shit.

 

[Bitek]

Yes, I've lost patience with the endless stories about how we need to coddle the anti-vaxxers and the 'hesitant'. The vaccine is free, and it's a near certain way to protect yourself and your neighbors from a deadly disease.

We need to follow in the footsteps of France and make vaccination mandatory for most public events, employment, etc.

I don't want to be involved in enforcing vaccination of any of our employees as we are not a high risk category, local vax rate is high, and mandates will result in firings.

I'm fine with more public mandates and putting the burden on govt and not private industry to enforce.

 

[sandorski]

No Vacc, no Vote......The Covid Passport doubles as Voter ID....everyone will be happy....

 

[UNCjigga]

No Vacc, no Vote......The Covid Passport doubles as Voter ID....everyone will be happy....

Hmmm…would that disproportionately affect voters of color??? Shit…Republicans might actually do it!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I mean, for fucks sake, tracking vaccination status, expiration and proof of documentation has been a standard part of HR/ERP software for decades? I remember doing data entry for new hires back in high school and tracking this shit.

That’s paper and it doesn’t track where you have been. Also I suspect people face grave consequences if that data leaks or isn’t secured properly and gets stolen.
I am fine with that.
As I said I am not fine with some sort of app that tracks where I go and when I go without specific policies about who has access to that data and how that data is handled and how long it is stored.
My concern is not about keeping my vaccination status private. My concern is what other data is collected and whom has access to that data and how long will that data be stored.

 

[Juiblex]

No Vacc, no Vote......The Covid Passport doubles as Voter ID....everyone will be happy....

I'm ok with that. I'm not vaccinated, nor will I ever be vaccinated, and I'm ok with not voting...

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I'm ok with that. I'm not vaccinated, nor will I ever be vaccinated, and I'm ok with not voting...

Russian Citizens can’t vote here.

 

[Meghan54]

I'm ok with that. I'm not vaccinated, nor will I ever be vaccinated, and I'm ok with not voting...

You’ve been vaccinated before for other shit, so why not for a virus that’s trying it’s damndest to fuck you up?

 

[hal2kilo]

I'm ok with that. I'm not vaccinated, nor will I ever be vaccinated, and I'm ok with not voting...

Thanks for your sacrifice?

 

[Zorba]

You’ve been vaccinated before for other shit, so why not for a virus that’s trying it’s damndest to fuck you up?

Because the angry men on Fox News told him not to.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You’ve been vaccinated before for other shit, so why not for a virus that’s trying it’s damndest to fuck you up?

He’s had the Sputnik vaccine which per my reading yesterday is similar to the J&J vaccine. Works good enough but not super great.

 

[eikelbijter]

Here's the problem with this narrative: the vaccines do NOT prevent the virus from spreading, they merely SLOW the spread. Latest study in Israel shows that Pfizer is only 39% effective in PREVENTING INFECTION. If you test positive, there's a REAL chance you can transmit it. As newer variants emerge, this will only happen more. To compare this to Polio, suggesting that if only everyone got vaccinated this would go away, is wishful thinking at best, and disingenuous "fake news" at worst.

Worse is the suggestion that if many remain unvaccinated this pandemic would go on forever. It's become clear now, that those who have HAD Covid are at least as well protected against reinfection as the vaccinated and with Delta being three times as infectious as the original strain it's not going to be long before everyone in the US has been exposed; EVERYONE, just like Osterholm said in March last year. Once everyone has either been infected or vaccinated, or even both, this thing is OVER. Of course there WILL be a Corona variant in the future that escapes immunity from either, but that's outside of the scope of this discussion.

Now, all of that said, before you guys start piling on and calling me an anti-vaxxer, I have recommended to MULTIPLE dear friends that they GET the vaccine. It's HIGHLY effective at preventing serious illness and almost 100% at preventing death from Covid 19. I was taught the scientific method at one of the best universities in the world, I believe in science and have had ENDLESS discussions with anti-vaxxers over the past years defending it.

 

[eikelbijter]

One more thing: watch the video below and see Osterholm, arguably one of the premier experts on the subject explain that any mask OTHER than an N95 is useless.

 

[nakedfrog]

I'm ok with that. I'm not vaccinated, nor will I ever be vaccinated, and I'm ok with not voting...

That makes sense, you're a stupid person who believes stupid things.

 

[dank69]

What is wrong with helping slow the spread?

 

[fskimospy]

Here's the problem with this narrative: the vaccines do NO prevent the virus from spreading, the merely SLOW the spread. Latest study in Israel shows that Pfizer is only 39% effective in PREVENTING INFECTION. If you test positive, there's a REAL chance you can transmit it. As newer variants emerge, this will only happen more. To compare this to Polio, suggesting that if only everyone got vaccinated this would go away, is wishful thinking at best, and disingenuous "fake news" at best.

Worse is the suggestion that if many remain vaccinated this pandemic would go on forever. It's become clear now, that those who have HAD Covid are at least as well protected against reinfection as the vaccinated and with Delta being three times as infectious as the original strain it's not going to be long before everyone in the US has been exposed; EVERYONE, just like Osterholm said in March last year. Once everyone has either been infected or vaccinated, or even both, this thing is OVER. Of course there WILL be a Corona variant in the future that escapes immunity from either, but that's outside of the scope of this discussion.

Now, all of that said, before you guys start piling on and calling me an anti-vaxxer, I have recommended to MULTIPLE dear friends that they GET the vaccine. It's HIGHLY effective at preventing serious illness and almost 100% at preventing death from Covid 19. I was taught the scientific method at one of the best universities in the world, I believe in science and have had ENDLESS discussions with anti-vaxxers over the past years defending it.

It seems important to mention that the Israeli study is an outlier compared to other studies that show much better, near 90% effectiveness and Israel’s scientists admit their study could have sampling bias issues.

So while it’s definitely something to keep an eye on the conclusion you’re drawing isn’t warranted given the data.

 

[cytg111]

Here's the problem with this narrative: the vaccines do NO prevent the virus from spreading, the merely SLOW the spread. Latest study in Israel shows that Pfizer is only 39% effective in PREVENTING INFECTION. If you test positive, there's a REAL chance you can transmit it. ...

So summed up, what you are saying is this: The vaccinated is 39% as likely to transmit the virus as a non vaccinated.
Right?
For the vaccinated that comes into contact with the virus, 61% will pick it up, and although it will not harm the subject, the subject is much as likely to spread it as the unvaxxed. Super spreaders and so on.
Right?
You got any thing to back that up?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Anger level rising.
CDC recommends mask wearing for indoor activities for all including the vaccinated for about 2/3rds the country.
Thanks Assholes!

 

[cytg111]

Lowest common denominator.
Its a thing.

 

[eikelbijter]

It seems important to mention that the Israeli study is an outlier compared to other studies that show much better, near 90% effectiveness and Israel’s scientists admit their study could have sampling bias issues.

So while it’s definitely something to keep an eye on the conclusion you’re drawing isn’t warranted given the data.

First of all, exactly what conclusion am I making? Just read back my post and all I'm saying is that vaccines will NOT stop transmission, at best slow it down. What if the fact that Israel is an outlier is due to the fact that they had super low infection rates compared to let's say the UK?

As we go forward, the effectiveness of the vaccines to protect against infection and re-transmission will only go down. The idea that these vaccines will keep the virus from propagating are in my well-informed opinion a pipe dream. The problem with anything that grows exponentially is that "slowing it down" a little will no result in a lower number of total infected, it'll just take a little longer. At this point anyone who WANT the vaccine in the US had more than enough opportunity to have gotten it. The rest have either HAD Covid already or WILL get it.

R

 

[eikelbijter]

What is wrong with helping slow the spread?

How about the destruction of our social fabric, only to have the same number of infections in the end ANYWAY.

 

[UNCjigga]

Here's the problem with this narrative: the vaccines do NO prevent the virus from spreading, the merely SLOW the spread. Latest study in Israel shows that Pfizer is only 39% effective in PREVENTING INFECTION. If you test positive, there's a REAL chance you can transmit it. As newer variants emerge, this will only happen more. To compare this to Polio, suggesting that if only everyone got vaccinated this would go away, is wishful thinking at best, and disingenuous "fake news" at best.

Worse is the suggestion that if many remain vaccinated this pandemic would go on forever. It's become clear now, that those who have HAD Covid are at least as well protected against reinfection as the vaccinated and with Delta being three times as infectious as the original strain it's not going to be long before everyone in the US has been exposed; EVERYONE, just like Osterholm said in March last year. Once everyone has either been infected or vaccinated, or even both, this thing is OVER. Of course there WILL be a Corona variant in the future that escapes immunity from either, but that's outside of the scope of this discussion.

Now, all of that said, before you guys start piling on and calling me an anti-vaxxer, I have recommended to MULTIPLE dear friends that they GET the vaccine. It's HIGHLY effective at preventing serious illness and almost 100% at preventing death from Covid 19. I was taught the scientific method at one of the best universities in the world, I believe in science and have had ENDLESS discussions with anti-vaxxers over the past years defending it.

Again, anecdotal and not real evidence, but of the 5 breakthrough infections at a local office, not a single one retransmitted the virus to their families while sick. Maybe the vaccine had something to do with that?

 

[solidsnake1298]

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Re: group 2, the increasingly prevailing feeling among my peers is that they've made their choices and no amount of pressure or coddling will make them change their minds so let them suffer the consequences whatever those may be. Make it hard for them to interact with the rest of us and let the chips fall where they may.

I am all for this once my 7 year old can get vaccinated. Until then, we need do what we can to protect those that can't get vaccinated yet.

 

[eikelbijter]

Again, anecdotal and not real evidence, but of the 5 breakthrough infections at a local office, not a single one retransmitted the virus to their families while sick. Maybe the vaccine had something to do with that?

So your answer to supposed anecdotal evidence is ANECDOTAL evidence? That's pretty funny!

Did EVERY family member of the 5 get tested repeatedly? How do you know some of them did not have an asymptomatic infection? You know, like 80% of those who are not vaccinated? How many family members were vaccinated themselves?

The wishful thinking is thick around here....

 

[Fanatical Meat]

So your answer to supposed anecdotal evidence is ANECDOTAL evidence? That's pretty funny!

Did EVERY family member of the 5 get tested repeatedly? How do you know some of them did not have an asymptomatic infection? You know, like 80% of those who are not vaccinated? How many family members were vaccinated themselves?

The wishful thinking is thick around here....

Your claim isn’t exactly backed by science either.
Even at 39% effective it prevents infects at minimum 1/3rd the time for the cost of one or two non sequential days of discomfort.
Gotta be a selfish mother fucker if you can’t deal with that.