Contagion spreading among the vaccinated

[eikelbijter]

People are afraid of death. Vaccines are very much developed to mitigate that.

We don't need a booster now. We could soon though.



It's plausible, considering we don't know the future. We don't have to be wringing our hands, but we should be preparing, which is why Pfizer and others have designed their vaccines to be quickly adaptable.

Fear led to vaccines, which are in turn saving millions of lives.

Which, as I stated OVER AND OVER, is wonderful. The mRNA vaccines are a modern miracle. If there comes a variant, or SARS-COV3 which has a real chance of hurting me, I will take it in a second.

 

[eikelbijter]

Well you are the one pushing for the lower population numbers

I'm not pushing anything. YOU guys are pushing.

What I would suggest though is that living in a world in which OTHERS decide what risks to YOURSELF you should be taking is kinda scary. Are you going to yell at fat people? Are you going to deny healthcare to someone who gets hurt in a bungee jumping?

 

[soundforbjt]

I'm not pushing anything. YOU guys are pushing.

What I would suggest though is that living in a world in which OTHERS decide what risks to YOURSELF you should be taking is kinda scary. Are you going to yell at fat people? Are you going to deny healthcare to someone who gets hurt in a bungee jumping?

Will either of those examples harm other innocent people? Unvaccinated people can cause others to possibly die by coming in semi-close contact with them. See the difference?

 

[Paratus]

I'm not pushing anything. YOU guys are pushing.

What I would suggest though is that living in a world in which OTHERS decide what risks to YOURSELF you should be taking is kinda scary. Are you going to yell at fat people? Are you going to deny healthcare to someone who gets hurt in a bungee jumping?

Sure you are. You want "people to stop living in fear" and "for things to get back to normal". That will come with more dead bodies and more folks living with long term health issues from COVID, than if we wore masks, social distanced, and everyone vaccinated But hey as long as you get what you want.......

It's scary to live in a world with so many people such as yourself who will demand the rest of us deal with the risks of your behavior rather than accept a small responsibility to mitigate it on your part.

 

[blackangst1]

Sure you are. You want "people to stop living in fear" and "for things to get back to normal". That will come with more dead bodies and more folks living with long term health issues from COVID, than if we wore masks, social distanced, and everyone vaccinated But hey as long as you get what you want.......

It's scary to live in a world with so many people such as yourself who will demand the rest of us deal with the risks of your behavior rather than accept a small responsibility to mitigate it on your part.

I dont know about you, but I couldnt imagine living in a world ruled by fear. Id never fucking leave my house. But then, theres a possibility of tripping, bumping my head on a granite countertop, and bleeding out. I would also never drive, as my risk of dying from covid are FAR, FAR, less than getting hit and dying from a drunk driver or a wrong way driver (which is preventable).

Dont live in fear, man.

 

[Roger Wilco]

Which, as I stated OVER AND OVER, is wonderful. The mRNA vaccines are a modern miracle. If there comes a variant, or SARS-COV3 which has a real chance of hurting me, I will take it in a second.

OK. I hope you receive enough advance notice to take the shot, and then socially isolate for however long it takes to build maximum immunity from that shot.

 

[soundforbjt]

I dont know about you, but I couldnt imagine living in a world ruled by fear. Id never fucking leave my house. But then, theres a possibility of tripping, bumping my head on a granite countertop, and bleeding out. I would also never drive, as my risk of dying from covid are FAR, FAR, less than getting hit and dying from a drunk driver or a wrong way driver (which is preventable).

Dont live in fear, man.

Aren’t you a conservative? They rule completely based on fear.

 

[Jhhnn]

After this Delta wave is over, it will be less of a threat than the flu, most definitely in LA County, but for the most of the country too. No matter how many more people get vaccinated.

We will come back to this thread at the end of next year, and if more than 20k Americans die in 2022 of Covid I will admit I was wrong.

So what? As of today, the delta variant is an extreme threat to public health, particularly in regions with low vax rates. It's a lot more contagious. New cases are growing exponentially in those populations despite some of them being vaxxed. That's the sickness & death path to herd immunity we really don't have to take because we have the much safer vaccination path if only people will use it. Even if the vaccine doesn't totally prevent infection in everybody it reduces serious cases enormously. That's all a person really needs to know to make the right choice.

 

[Paratus]

I dont know about you, but I couldnt imagine living in a world ruled by fear. Id never fucking leave my house. But then, theres a possibility of tripping, bumping my head on a granite countertop, and bleeding out. I would also never drive, as my risk of dying from covid are FAR, FAR, less than getting hit and dying from a drunk driver or a wrong way driver (which is preventable).

Dont live in fear, man.

Lol

You drink and drive right?
You don't live in fear and you aren't going to let the government tell you what to do right?

You don't wear seat belts right?
Haven't wasted money on a fire extinguisher or fire alarms?

You don't use condoms or practice safe sex right?

You don't waste time checking your firearms are unloaded before cleaning them right?

Don't live in fear man

 

[manly]

How many dead? All of them. All the folks with conditions that cant get the shot plus the part of your country that is dum dum land.. wipe out 20% of all the elders in dum dum land.
In short, a fuckton or dead.
His argument is that its gonna happen anyway. Let it rip.

To some degree, it will happen anyway because the U.S. is mostly out of the mitigation game. There's approx. 0% chance there will be any kind of new lockdowns even if conditions significantly worsen (and it appears the next few weeks are gonna get pretty messy). Most likely, winter will be worse. Local jurisdictions may act, but we're not going back to April 2020 nationally.

I haven't read this entire thread, but anklebiter is pretty consistent in his flawed (but not completely asinine) views. For some reason, he thinks that you can take L.A. County and its 53% vaccination rate (and high infections rate), and then extrapolate that to everywhere else in the country. IF L.A. County is as close to herd immunity as he suggests, then the current surge will burn out very quickly. But even if that's true in L.A., it's not true for many parts of the U.S. Furthermore, he complained about the expense of $15 vaccine doses (the J&J single shot is much cheaper) when hospitalizations are incredibly expensive to administer. Nobody in their right mind wants to intentionally stress (or crash) their own hospital systems just to "save money" on vaccines. I'm actually not one who believes "every life is precious," but sitting here and suggesting the pandemic in the U.S. is nearly over and a few people's deaths are part of that is still fairly callous, and likely premature.

I also think he's wrong about the IFR; it's somewhat unknowable and can only be estimated but most reasonable ones I've seen are about 0.5%.

And besides variants partially escaping current vaccines, you also have variants that can escape immunity from prior infections. This hasn't been discussed all that much, but there was the city in Brazil that was assumed to be close to herd immunity after a devastating surge in 2020. And yet, it happened to them again during the winter. Many cases in South Africa were also "reinfections," i.e. people who caught the original strain later on caught the SA strain. I can't remember who said it a few months ago when the pandemic looked like it was slowly ending in the U.S., but they said Covid-19 has continually surprised over time, so expect that to happen again. (This was before Delta swept across the world.)

 

[blackangst1]

Aren’t you a conservative? They rule completely based on fear.

Fiscally, yes. Socially, no. And the Democrats totally thrive on fear politics. Its not just a GOP thing.

 

[blackangst1]

Lol

You drink and drive right?
You don't live in fear and you aren't going to let the government tell you what to do right?

You don't wear seat belts right?
Haven't wasted money on a fire extinguisher or fire alarms?

You don't use condoms or practice safe sex right?

You don't waste time checking your firearms are unloaded before cleaning them right?

Don't live in fear man

I dont

 

[Jhhnn]

I dont know about you, but I couldnt imagine living in a world ruled by fear. Id never fucking leave my house. But then, theres a possibility of tripping, bumping my head on a granite countertop, and bleeding out. I would also never drive, as my risk of dying from covid are FAR, FAR, less than getting hit and dying from a drunk driver or a wrong way driver (which is preventable).

Dont live in fear, man.

That's ridiculous. Covid killed enormously more people in 2020 than drunk drivers-

Impaired Driving: Get the Facts | Transportation Safety | Injury Center | CDC

www.cdc.gov

 

[balloonshark]

This was posted in the OT covid topic. The delta variant is no joke and doesn't care how you vote.

How Contagious Is Ebola? CDC Documents Compare Virus to COVID Delta Variant

The Delta variant was reported to be more contagious than Ebola and several other viruses, according to an internal document from the CDC.

www.newsweek.com

I fully believe the info in that article and the numbers in most states are proving it correct.

STFU and go get vaccinated.

 

[dank69]

Fiscally, yes. Socially, no. And the Democrats totally thrive on fear politics. Its not just a GOP thing.

Which Democrats, specifically? Got a bunch of examples of irrational fear spread by actual Democrats? Or just random Twitter/Tik Tok trolls?

 

[blackangst1]

Interesting...it looks like the USA has had 10% of its population become infected, with 40% of the country vaccinated. The Philippines has had 1.5% of its population become infected, with 6% of its population vaccinated.

 

[allisolm]

What I would suggest though is that living in a world in which OTHERS decide what risks to YOURSELF you should be taking is kinda scary. Are you going to yell at fat people? Are you going to deny healthcare to someone who gets hurt in a bungee jumping?

Finally. Here we are at last. It has nothing to do with efficacy of vaccines versus natural immunity or the wisdom of vaccinating children or any of the things you argued about for hundreds of posts . It's the government can't tell ME what to do.

 

[blackangst1]

Which Democrats, specifically? Got a bunch of examples of irrational fear spread by actual Democrats? Or just random Twitter/Tik Tok trolls?

Michelle Obama: She lied about children being torn “from their families and thrown into cages.” She knows the truth. Those “cages” were built and used during her husband and Biden’s administration. Even the AP called out this lie.

Or these: Seven times Democrats played the ‘FEAR!’ card they accuse the GOP of using (ajc.com)

Not to mention these popular platforms which are fear based:

• America is stealing poor nation’s resources
• Republicans are stealing from the poor
• Illegal aliens are Americans, too
• Cops are racist murderers
• Islam is peace
• Christianity is bigotry
• Fossil fuels will destroy the planet

 

[blackangst1]

Finally. Here we are at last. It has nothing to do with efficacy of vaccines versus natural immunity or the wisdom of vaccinating children or any of the things you argued about for hundreds of posts . It's the government can't tell ME what to do.

You are correct.

 

[vi edit]

Interesting...it looks like the USA has had 10% of its population become infected, with 40% of the country vaccinated. The Philippines has had 1.5% of its population become infected, with 6% of its population vaccinated.

Our numbers would be so much better if we didn't test as much.

 

[blackangst1]

Our numbers would be so much better if we didn't test as much.

I get your snarkiness, but you obviously dont understand the covid situation there. Just one example...they are under lockdown again. If you want to go from your house to the market or grocery store, you not only have to get a government issued permission slip, but have to provide evidence of a negative test. They test extensively there.

source: family and friends who live there.

 

[soundforbjt]

Michelle Obama: She lied about children being torn “from their families and thrown into cages.” She knows the truth. Those “cages” were built and used during her husband and Biden’s administration. Even the AP called out this lie.

Or these: Seven times Democrats played the ‘FEAR!’ card they accuse the GOP of using (ajc.com)

Not to mention these popular platforms which are fear based:

• America is stealing poor nation’s resources
• Republicans are stealing from the poor
• Illegal aliens are Americans, too
• Cops are racist murderers
• Islam is peace
• Christianity is bigotry
• Fossil fuels will destroy the planet

Those are pretty lame compared to just 24 hours of Right wing news outlets.

 

[blackangst1]

Those are pretty lame compared to just 24 hours of Right wing news outlets.

whatabout

edit: and how do you know? You must watch them alot! But I suspect its an echochamber response.

 

[vi edit]

I get your snarkiness, but you obviously dont understand the covid situation there. Just one example...they are under lockdown again. If you want to go from your house to the market or grocery store, you not only have to get a government issued permission slip, but have to provide evidence of a negative test. They test extensively there.

source: family and friends who live there.

They test at rate that is 1/10 ours. That's rate per million. We do over 1.5 million tests per million people. They do 150,000 tests per million people.

 

[blackangst1]

They test at rate that is 1/10 ours. That's rate per million. We do over 1.5 million tests per million people. They do 150,000 tests per million people.

Thats true