Contagion spreading among the vaccinated

[eikelbijter]

You have been given the facts and you haven't accepted them and you continue to spread completely false misinformation. Please just absent yourself from this thread.

I think that's wildly unfair. I'm TRYING to learn, but some around here just call me names, and the one guy that seems to know everything, and I don't mean that facetiously, will NOT answer simple questions other than "it's in the paper". When I then try to formulate something that better corresponds to the facts, I get ridiculed again. This is how science has lost its credibility with a LARGE part of the population. "Just go away, this is too difficult for you."

Please allow me to learn and help me!

I think what's important here is definitions, right? One way many discussions go so far off the rails is because two people are arguing with the same term, but meaning something completely different.

So what exactly does "being immune" mean MEDICALLY. If it means being impossible to reinfect the vaccines do not offer immunity to Delta, right? If it is not black and white, but there are different LEVELS of immunity, and Elledy's work is correct, doesn't that suggest SOME level of immunity for a long time for many?

 

[abj13]

Instead you just keep insisting I don't know what I'm talking about.

What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19.

You don't know what your talking about.

After being called out on such a statement, you have the disrespect to try to attribute it to me and to blame me for your ignorance. Not once have I said anything remotely of the sort. The fact you couldn't even quote anything from me of the sort demonstrates just how childish you are. I gladly post informative information on here on a variety of topics. When I have posted scientific evidence that contradicts anything you've claimed, you refuse to read it for extended periods of time, act like they do not exist, and double-down on your false statements.

Let's not forget your false statements in post 538. Instead of manning up to it, you pretend, yet again, it does not exist.

I DON'T want to spread falsehoods, I really don't.

Except you do. This thread is riddled with your false statements. I suggest you practice what you preach. Perhaps you shouldn't make claims of "What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19" when you are woefully uninformed regarding COVID-19, the biology of SARS-CoV-2, public health, immunology, and science.

 

[eikelbijter]

You . . . seem . . . to wish to present yourself as measured and intelligent. So it surprises me that this proferred analogy of yours is so ridiculously flawed . . . shallow, stupid and flawed.

It is based on my assumption, and yes we can argue about that part, that Delta gets past SO many vaccinated people that we can't truly protect others by vaccinating ourselves. In that case, I think people should be able to take risks with their own lives.

 

[eikelbijter]

You don't know what your talking about.

After being called out on such a statement, you have the disrespect to try to attribute it to me and to blame me for your ignorance. Not once have I said anything remotely of the sort. The fact you couldn't even quote anything from me of the sort demonstrates just how childish you are. I gladly post informative information on here on a variety of topics. When I have posted scientific evidence that contradicts anything you've claimed, you refuse to read it for extended periods of time, act like they do not exist, and double-down on your false statements.

Let's not forget your false statements in post 538. Instead of manning up to it, you pretend, yet again, it does not exist.



Except you do. This thread is riddled with your false statements. I suggest you practice what you preach. Perhaps you shouldn't make claims of "What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19" when you are woefully uninformed regarding COVID-19, the biology of SARS-CoV-2, public health, immunology, and science.

Again, please help me understand instead of just putting me down.

What does "having immunity" mean exactly? How is it defined?

 

[Perknose]

I never said you have FULL immunity against reinfection.

That is manifestly and verifiably NOT what you said. Here is WHAT YOU SAID:

What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19.

Your petard, sir. You have hoisted yourself.

 

[hal2kilo]

Again, please help me understand instead of just putting me down.

What does "having immunity" mean exactly? How is it defined?

Some people are saying.

 

[eikelbijter]

That is manifestly and verifiably NOT what you said. Here is WHAT YOU SAID:
Your petard, sir. You have hoisted yourself.

Are there not varying levels of immunity? DId Elledy's work not suggest many will be making antibodies for life and aren't antibodies the most important part of immunity against viral pathogens?

 

[eikelbijter]

Some people are saying.

Very helpful.... NOT

 

[Perknose]

It is based on my assumption, and yes we can argue about that part, that Delta gets past SO many vaccinated people that we can't truly protect others by vaccinating ourselves. In that case, I think people should be able to take risks with their own lives.

STILL stupid.
STILL shallow.
STILL flawed.

I question your intellectual honesty. The only other explanation I can see is that you are far more dense (read "stupid") than your more fluid writing style presents you as. But I don't think you are really that dense (stupid.)

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that you are a mini Tucker Carlson clone . . . smart but bereft of intellectual integrity.

 

[Perknose]

Are there not varying levels of immunity? DId Elledy's work not suggest many will be making antibodies for life and aren't antibodies the most important part of immunity against viral pathogens?

Again . . . NOT . . . WHAT . . . YOU . . . SAID.
It appears I must throw your own words back at you again:

What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19.

You are crossing the line from honest, if muddled and wrong-headed discourse, into deliberately dishonest TROLL territory.

 

[abj13]

Again, please help me understand instead of just putting me down.

What does "having immunity" mean exactly? How is it defined?

See, if a person was honestly interested in immunology, they would ask legitimate questions before making any conclusion.

You on the other hand think you are some expert by claiming "What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19" and when you get called out on it, blame it on me. People would treat you as an equal if you actually treated people with respect.

Instead of thinking, "Gosh, maybe I was disrespectful to abj13 by claiming he said that without finding a quote of him saying that" instead you think you can run around demanding answers. Practice what you preach. If you want people to treat you respectfully, then maybe you should take a far more humble approach than you did throughout this entire thread.

 

[eikelbijter]

STILL stupid.
STILL shallow.
STILL flawed.

I question your intellectual honesty. The only other explanation I can see is that you are far more dense (read "stupid") than your more fluid writing style presents you as. But I don't think you are really that dense (stupid.)

I'm fast coming to the conclusion that you are a mini Tucker Carlson clone . . . smart but bereft of intellectual integrity.

Tucker Carlson? Wow, that's below the belt! LOL

Listen man, I really want to learn. I'm not trying to spread false information. This forum of nerds would be the LAST place and the most silly place to do that. I've been a member of for 12 years or something, it's been a GREAT source of information from people in the know.

At the same time, I'm NOT a doctor, nor do I pretend to be one. I'm NOT intimately familiar with all the necessary definitions. Instead of calling me stupid when I say something about immunity that is incorrect, why doesn't somebody EXPLAIN why? And no, saying "it's in the paper" is obviously not good enough, and if you think I'm a moron with no comprehension skills why would you even suggest that?

The bottom line is, half of this country has lost all faith in science and experts. The attitude from THAT part of the people is: "They're morons"

I've defended science for many years now, living in LA, perhaps the dumbest big city in the world, with endless conspiracy theorists and fear mongers.

 

[eikelbijter]

See, if a person was honestly interested in immunology, they would ask legitimate questions before making any conclusion.

You on the other hand think you are some expert by claiming "What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19" and when you get called out on it, blame it on me. People would treat you as an equal if you actually treated people with respect.

Instead of thinking, "Gosh, maybe I was disrespectful to abj13 by claiming he said that without finding a quote of him saying that" instead you think you can run around demanding answers. Practice what you preach. If you want people to treat you respectfully, then maybe you should take a far more humble approach than you did throughout this entire thread.

So your answer to a legitimate question, is not to answer it? Please help me understand.

 

[abj13]

At the same time, I'm NOT a doctor, nor do I pretend to be one. I'm NOT intimately familiar with all the necessary definitions. Instead of calling me stupid when I say something about immunity that is incorrect, why doesn't somebody EXPLAIN why? And no, saying "it's in the paper" is obviously not good enough, and if you think I'm a moron with no comprehension skills why would you even suggest that?

This shows what kind of fantasy world this person lives in. This thread is filled with the same series of events:

1) eikelbijter says something untrue
2) A poster provides evidence refuting eikelbijter's statement
3) eikelbijter doubles-down and claims his statement is still correct
4) A poster reminds eikelbijter of the evidence that has already been posted
5) eikelbijter ignores said evidence
6) A poster again reminds of the evidence again
7) eikelbijter either purposely misquotes, misreads, or finds some preprint unpeer-reviewed paper that used confidence intervals of 0 to infinity
8) A poster points out the mistakes made by eikelbijter
9) Return to #1

 

[abj13]

So your answer to a legitimate question, is not to answer it? Please help me understand.

It would be a legitimate question if you had a shred of intellectual honesty. The fact you refuse to acknowledge that I never said such a thing demonstrates how you think you can treat people like crap and then turn-around and demand him/her to treat you fairly.

Please explain to all of us, where I said "What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19"

 

[eikelbijter]

Again . . . NOT . . . WHAT . . . YOU . . . SAID.
It appears I must throw your own words back at you again:

You are crossing the line from honest, if muddled and wrong-headed discourse, into deliberately dishonest TROLL territory.

Let me ask you this: are there different levels of immunity? Correct me if I'm wrong, and if so, then yes my statement is false, but is the protection offered by vaccines considered some level of immunity, even though infection with for instance Delta is quite common? Or are we only considered immune if reinfection is impossible?

You can't just say my statement is wrong without explaining why.

 

[eikelbijter]

It would be a legitimate question if you had a shred of intellectual honesty. The fact you refuse to acknowledge that I never said such a thing demonstrates how you think you can treat people like crap and then turn-around and demand him/her to treat you fairly.

Please explain to all of us, where I said "What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19"

You didn't use those words, of course not, they are MY words. I used the word regularly to mean not always. Isn't that fair? BMPCs were found in 15 out of 18 bone marrow sample according to the paper that you said contains the answers. You also ridiculed me for saying antibodies wane.

Aren't there different levels of immunity? Would the statement be correct if it said "some level of immunity"?

 

[killster1]

Anger level rising.
CDC recommends mask wearing for indoor activities for all including the vaccinated for about 2/3rds the country.
Thanks Assholes!

so.. whats the big deal with wearing a mask does it hurt your ears to much? its annoying to get somewhere only to find out a mask is now required, but other than the annoyance this is only because anti vaxxers are refusing to wear the masks they are suppose to and instead everyone has stopped wearing masks making it hard to keep track and infection to spread.

 

[killster1]

One more thing: watch the video below and see Osterholm, arguably one of the premier experts on the subject explain that any mask OTHER than an N95 is useless.

thats like saying seatbelts are useless and only airbags work. nope, less spit in the air will always cut down on transmission of airborn illness. now if you are in the same cab or something i can agree! if you cant keep 2 feet away then a n95 would be required in my opinion of course i didnt watch your video

 

[Fanatical Meat]

so.. whats the big deal with wearing a mask does it hurt your ears to much? its annoying to get somewhere only to find out a mask is now required, but other than the annoyance this is only because anti vaxxers are refusing to wear the masks they are suppose to and instead everyone has stopped wearing masks making it hard to keep track and infection to spread.

It is irritating because we had ample time to get everyone who qualifies vaccinated. This would spread a lot slower with everyone vaccinated.
Fucking irritating that a bunch of fearful selfish asshole decided not to pitch in and help out.

 

[killster1]

It is irritating because we had ample time to get everyone who qualifies vaccinated. This would spread a lot slower with everyone vaccinated.
Fucking irritating that a bunch of fearful selfish asshole decided not to pitch in and help out.

you should worry about things you can change. Loads of people refusing it for no real reason other then paranoia. how does this mask wearing really affect you? what can you not do that you wanted to do? eat popcorn in the theater?

 

[abj13]

You didn't use those words, of course not, they are MY words. I used the word regularly to mean not always. Isn't that fair? BMPCs were found in 15 out of 18 bone marrow sample according to the paper that you said contains the answers. You also ridiculed me for saying antibodies wane.

Aren't there different levels of immunity? Would the statement be correct if it said "some level of immunity"?

If I didn't use those words, why in the world are you attributing your logic and statement to me, that somehow I endorsed it? It is amazing. After being called out on being disrespectful and dishonest, you cannot even own up to it as an adult. No apology after multiple posts, just more demands. Ever hear of the golden rule? Treat others how you want to be treated.

For everyone counting, he/she's currently on step 5. The fact that he/she is already starting to wonder if better language would have been better suggest the next steps are coming up!

 

[darkswordsman17]

If I didn't use those words, why in the world are you attributing your logic and statement to me, that somehow I endorsed it? It is amazing. After being called out on being disrespectful and dishonest, you cannot even own up to it as an adult. No apology after multiple posts, just more demands. Ever hear of the golden rule? Treat others how you want to be treated.

For everyone counting, he/she's currently on step 5. The fact that he/she is already starting to wonder if better language would have been better suggest the next steps are coming up!

You're giving them far too much credit. Its just the same old clown routine that the others use.

1. Say something stupid knowingly
2. Claim you're correct when presented evidence showing otherwise
3. Cry about people not giving you "honest discussion" when they won't let you move onto your next dishonest claim
4. Claim you never even said whatever it is they're pointing to, despite it being quoted verbatim multiple times

You people know better than to fall for this shit. It was apparent from the first post they made in this subforum what they were up to. If they had any interest in learning they'd not cry about disrespect when they can't even show the bare minimum of respect for an honest discussion. Intentionally lying out of your ass just means the only honest response should be to shit on you since you're showing us you'll only speak in shit and love to revel in it.

 

[Jhhnn]

you should worry about things you can change. Loads of people refusing it for no real reason other then paranoia. how does this mask wearing really affect you? what can you not do that you wanted to do? eat popcorn in the theater?

They've been led to it by "conservative" media voices they trust, the same voices that led them to confuse contrarianism with individuality. Whatever Libs want, they're automatically against it. They've absorbed so much disinformation over the last few decades that they're often incapable of making rational decisions.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

You're giving them far too much credit. Its just the same old clown routine that the others use.

1. Say something stupid knowingly
2. Claim you're correct when presented evidence showing otherwise
3. Cry about people not giving you "honest discussion" when they won't let you move onto your next dishonest claim
4. Claim you never even said whatever it is they're pointing to, despite it being quoted verbatim multiple times

You people know better than to fall for this shit. It was apparent from the first post they made in this subforum what they were up to. If they had any interest in learning they'd not cry about disrespect when they can't even show the bare minimum of respect for an honest discussion. Intentionally lying out of your ass just means the only honest response should be to shit on you since you're showing us you'll only speak in shit and love to revel in it.

2016 election taught me you cannot ignore that behavior. Google with all its search logarithms likes to display content people are talking about. Yes challenging a bullshit peddler help but at minimum the standard is set for the bullshit peddler as opposed to letting it sit and simmer.