Contagion spreading among the vaccinated

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eikelbijter

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I’ll ask you the questions from earlier in this thread.
Why is getting immunity thru infection better?
Would you prefer to have immunity to tetanus thru infection vs immunization?

I just don’t get your point.
Come on man, I never said it's better. I never even said I recommend others to get immune through natural infection. Of course I don't want tetanus and have had that shot a couple of times when appropriate.
 

blackangst1

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How long do you expect that to continue for natural immunity? Regarding variants, do you have any future-looking data, or are you just making assumptions? How are you sure you won't seek vaccination until its too late?

Just to be clear, we dont even know how long we're protected WITH the vaccine.
 

blackangst1

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How many dead? All of them. All the folks with conditions that cant get the shot plus the part of your country that is dum dum land.. wipe out 20% of all the elders in dum dum land.
In short, a fuckton or dead.
His argument is that its gonna happen anyway. Let it rip.

You would love Philippine President Duterte-

The Philippine president told unvaccinated people 'for all I care, you can die any time' as he continues his brutal threats against vaccine deniers (yahoo.com)

  • He said to people who don't want the vaccine: "For all I care, you can die anytime."
  • He also said police may restrict their movements, having previously threatened to jail them.
He also said he wants the police to restrict the movement of people who refuse coronavirus vaccines: "To those people who do not want to be vaccinated, I am telling you, don't go out of your house."

"If you go out of your house, I will tell the police to return you to your home. You will be escorted back to your house because you are a walking spreader."
 

eikelbijter

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How long do you expect that to continue for natural immunity? Regarding variants, do you have any future-looking data, or are you just making assumptions? How are you sure you won't seek vaccination until its too late?

So you're assuming that, during all of that propagation, Delta won't mutate into something worse? I'm suspecting you were infected with Alpha? How long are you hoping that immunity holds up against the next variant?

SARS-COV3 is not a possibility, it's a certainty. But guess what, we don't know the effectiveness of the vaccines about these potential future variants either.

Other Covid 19 variants that are not COV3 are already here. They will keep coming. To believe that the currently available vaccines offer categorically better protection against future variants is about as unscientific as it gets.

I'll say it again. If a Coronavirus shows up which has a real chance of killing a healthy person who has recovered from Covid19, I will take it as soon as it's offered to me.
 

Roger Wilco

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SARS-COV3 is not a possibility, it's a certainty. But guess what, we don't know the effectiveness of the vaccines about these potential future variants either.

Other Covid 19 variants that are not COV3 are already here. They will keep coming. To believe that the currently available vaccines offer categorically better protection against future variants is about as unscientific as it gets.

I'll say it again. If a Coronavirus shows up which has a real chance of killing a healthy person who has recovered from Covid19, I will take it as soon as it's offered to me.

And you are assuming you will discover this variant on the news, rather than in the hospital?
 

eikelbijter

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Which is why boosters may be VERY necessary.
What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19.

Just to clarify that, I don't mean 100% protection, nothing is 100%. According to the most informed guy on here, the result that your body will make antibodies for life seems accurate.
 
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eikelbijter

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And you are assuming you will discover this variant on the news, rather than in the hospital?
I don't assume nearly as many things as YOU guys apparently. What I do know is that I refuse to live with constant fear because something MIGHT happen. Keeping our fears rational is of UTMOST importance and the amount of completely nonsensical BS that has been posted in these last 20 or so posts, with only Blackangst1 calling others on it, scares the shit out of me.
 
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Roger Wilco

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I don't assume nearly as many things as YOU guys apparently. What I do know is that I refuse to live with constant fear because something MIGHT happen. Keeping our fears rational is of UTMOST importance and the amount of completely nonsensical BS that has been posted in these last 20 or so posts, with only Blackangst1 calling others on it, scares the shit out of me.

Taking the vaccine does not constitute living in fear.
 
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Their friends might find out and mock them.

funny earlier I read about an Arkansas or maybe Mississippi Doctor who stays late and has other Nurses stay late so they can vaccinate people in private to remove the fear of neighbors shaming them.
 

soundforbjt

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What we know now is that even mild Covid infection will regularly create lifelong immunity to #19.

Just to clarify that, I don't mean 100% protection, nothing is 100%. According to the most informed guy on here, the result that your body will make antibodies for life seems accurate.
Which variants...all of them?
 

blackangst1

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Or, alternatively, unnecessary.

@Roger Wilco not sure whats funny about my statement. Its true. Dont get me wrong, Im not anti-vax. Ive travelled to 13 countries and have been vaccinated for just about everything. But to think we need a booster "because we dont know" is stupid. Ill trust the science, when its available. Im not getting one because "I might need it." As of now, theres no solid science on boosters.
 
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eikelbijter

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The kind of fear that instigated the development of vaccines.
Fair enough, but that's making lemonade from lemons. I'm talking about regular folks making each other crazy in their echo chamber, suggesting that Covid 19 can kill 2 million more Americans. It's simply irrational.
 

Roger Wilco

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@Roger Wilco not sure whats funny about my statement. Its true. Dont get me wrong, Im not anti-vax. Ive travelled to 13 countries and have been vaccinated for just about everything. But to think we need a booster "because we dont know" is stupid. Ill trust the science, when its available. Im not getting one because "I might need it." As of now, theres no solid science on boosters.


Vaccines arent created to quell fear. Theyre created to prevent or reduce the possibility of getting a particular bug.

Good grief.

People are afraid of death. Vaccines are very much developed to mitigate that.

We don't need a booster now. We could soon though.

Fair enough, but that's making lemonade from lemons. I'm talking about regular folks making each other crazy in their echo chamber, suggesting that Covid 19 can kill 2 million more Americans. It's simply irrational.

It's plausible, considering we don't know the future. We don't have to be wringing our hands, but we should be preparing, which is why Pfizer and others have designed their vaccines to be quickly adaptable.

Fear led to vaccines, which are in turn saving millions of lives.
 

Roger Wilco

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Charged word, instigated. Huh.

Instigated can technically be used in both positive and negative contexts. But I suppose I only ever see it in negative contexts. But I also suppose, in this instance, covid was a negative instigator, and vaccines were a positive result of the instigation.
 
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