continuing w/ libertarianism -- I disagree with the drug legalization

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Mister T

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<<oh man, MISTERT FOR PRESIDENT! >>

In my dreams.....

ToBeMe,

If only those doctors would come up with a good reason to be able to take some shots of Gin or Rum
I definitely understand your converns though with legalization.
 

Squisher

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Well, guess I am affluent, white, and a casual drug user who is for the legalization of drugs. However, at one time long ago I was neither affluent nor a casual user.

Do I think that drug use is bad for you and society as a whole?

Yes, along with long list of legal vices.

Do I think that you will ever be successful solving a drug problem by making it illegal? No.

Do I think that all of us should be 100% responsible for the results of our actions? Yes.

 

Jzero

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<< How many of you support the legalization of drugs but DO NOT use them yourselves? >>



Me!
 

amok

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<< killing supply does NOTHING but drive up the price

you have to kill demand
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It's impossible to kill demand. We have a hardcore stance of "drugs are bad, anyone that uses or sells them is bad". Imo, we should look into new options. Our "war on drugs" is a joke anyway. Do you really think its more difficult to get illegal substances now than it was a decade ago, or two? That approach quite obviously doesn't work. If your car doesn't start, do you try to push it to work, or explore other ways of getting there?
 

tm37

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REALLY good Read!

The entire book is good! Ain't Nobody's Business If You Do: The Absurdity of Consensual Crimes in Our Free Country

Now having said that I think total legalizetion could be damaging. However I question the reason they are illegal in the first place. Also how well would regulation work. WOuldn't there still be a black market? There is for cigerettes, and alcohol both legal substances. However because the Blackmarket version is nearly the same most end users don't relize that they have gotten an illegal substance. The problems with drugs could grow or shrink depending on which expert you wish to believe! So to answer the question I HAVE NO IDEA!

It is impossible to make a choice when there is so much BAD information out there.

I don't use an illegal drugs, I am a heavy smoker 2 packs in 3 days!
 

Texmaster

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<< By the way, if we are going to get into this debate, I hope people can get off there moral high horses. Government is not mommy or daddy - they should not be able to retrict what you can/cannot do to your own body. The responsibility of government is to gaurantee people's liberties rather than micro-regulating them. >>


OK, but then who's going to bail out all these people when they fall flat????? Drugs are addictive and in a large percentage casual use will lead to addictive use. If they were legal, the only difference would be cost. But, what happens when they desert their families, are bankrupt and living on the streets? Who will be the ones bailing them out at an alarming rate? The Gov. will! So, in essence, they lose either way!

I can see the point of legalizing and taxing the hell out of it, that would be benificial, but, it may also backfire in other ways! The way things are now, I have seen numerous persons get caught and pay a subsequent large fine or shock time and be scared enough not to want to risk it again...........if there were no risk, is it not possible that an alarming number of people would be swept into it and spend the money needed to sustain their families on drugs which would ultimately lead to more domestic problems and nearly as much Gov. costs when these people need to enter rehad and their families are reduced to welfare?????

Perhaps I'm wrong, but, IMO anything that is as addicting as some of the popular drugs need to be controled and carry stiff fines for the safety of people whom would otherwise become consumed by the lure...............
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DEAD ON

"Casual users" are also not childless and raising a child in a drug household can be disasterous.
 

mithrandir2001

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I pulled the following from the Natural Law Party's website. It sounds rather reasonable since they realize that neither full legalization nor full criminalization is the answer.

"Although the legalization of drugs would substantially cut drug-related crimes, only about 20% of total drug-abuse costs are crime related. The remaining 80% of costs are tied to health, absenteeism, lost productivity, etc. Therefore, the legalization of drugs, even if it increased drug use slightly, could result in increased costs that would overwhelm any crime-related savings.

The Natural Law Party is fundamentally dedicated to the development of the full potential of the individual. Apart from economic considerations, long-term use of even mild hallucinogens like marijuana has been shown to decrease EEG coherence -- the orderly and integrated functioning of the brain. Brain wave coherence is linked to intelligence, creativity, learning ability, academic performance, moral reasoning, psychological stability, and emotional maturity. Legalizing drugs could send the wrong signal to the youth, implying that drug use is not that harmful.

At the same time, outlawing narcotics has not proved effective in reducing their usage. Therefore, we will cut our burgeoning prison population in half by decriminalizing nonviolent drug offenses, directing such offenders to drug education, prevention, and rehabilitation programs. To get to the heart of the drug problem, we have to reduce the desire and the demand for drugs -- which the educational programs supported by the Natural Law Party have been proven to do."
 

Ornery

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This is one of the big issues that I part company with the GOP. IMO, drugs should be regulated the same as alcohol. I'm blue collar, white and used to smoke dope three times a day for years.

"How many of you support the legalization of drugs but DO NOT use them yourselves?"

The only reason I don't use pot now is because it's illegal. It pisses me off that folks have to pass a drug test for employment, but if they're heavy drinkers they skate. How forking stupid and hypocritical is that? Why the hell is it OK for me to come home from work and slam a six pack, but not huff a joint? Damn this whole issue pisses me off like you wouldn't believe! :|
 

Ferocious

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I agree that legal use of pot and alcohol should be treated about the same.

Both should be legal with stiff penalties for improper usage.....like DUI.
 

Nefrodite

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how about soft drugs = legal, hard drugs = instant death penalty hehe yes i'm being unreasonable.. ah well.
 

Nefrodite

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The only reason I don't use pot now is because it's illegal. It pisses me off that folks have to pass a drug test for employment, but if they're heavy drinkers they skate. How forking stupid and hypocritical is that? Why the hell is it OK for me to come home from work and slam a six pack, but not huff a joint? Damn this whole issue pisses me off like you wouldn't believe!

lol ya, we're not the land of the free.. we're the land of the puritans
 

Moonbeam

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The issue isn't governed by logic, health, public safety, or philosophical truth. Its about economic interests. Beer companies don't want marajuanna legalized. Cotton or corn growers either. Nor do prision unions, church coffer payrolees, law enforcement, and politicians who reelect themselves on fear and contributions from those with something to loose.

The responsible use of drugs was an ancient and highly develpoed science, the exploration of human consciousness an ancient pursuit. The threat from drugs is their potential to inform individuals personally and as a result of direct experience, of the existance of altered states of consciousness. Its impossible to keep um down on the farm after they've see Paree or is it Paris.
 

amok

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Hehe, speaking of altered states of consciousness...there is nothing quite like seeing a group of hard core scientists debating physics while tripping on shrooms!! Lol, I wish they hadn't talked me into destroying that tape. They had a theory of quantum gravitation developed by the end of the get-together. The only problem with it was that it only worked under the conditions imposed by hallucenogenic drugs, and not the conditions that are prevalent in the real world .
 
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