Contributing to society

[Orignal Earl]

He's constantly looking for work, never gets hired and then whines about it because he has no skills and would rather play Diablo 3 all day than train himself. He lives in Kelowna, BC

I would suggest he try EB games

 

[SlitheryDee]

You contribute to society by working to make money in some legal way. In that case taxes will come out of your earnings for the government. You will at least be partially responsible for a product or service that society wants. You can be an employee of a larger company or work for yourself, but working for money for ends up being the best way of contributing no matter how you slice it. No one will work for nothing, and getting something for no work only trains us to continue to not work. We are just animals after all.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Simple

Group A is mostly men.

Group B is mostly women. And they have children to use as hostages. WONT SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

But just don't allow abortion or even think about adopting the children that a conservative faction want to force a woman to have.

 

[zinfamous]

but it's a convenient boogeyman for the least-informed voters in this country.

point-in-practice:

The leeches on welfare dont contribute at all. They must be taken off welfare and forced to work, make them contribute

 

[nehalem256]

But just don't allow abortion or even think about adopting the children that a conservative faction want to force a woman to have.

She should be forced to have an abortion. Problem solved.

 

[lotus503]

Corporate welfare far surpasses individual institutional welfare on both dollars spent and societal impact.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

I would suggest he try EB games

Could it be perhaps that this man that bfdd knows if from.....THE INTERNET?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

She should be forced to have an abortion. Problem solved.

At what age exactly should the child be killed?

 

[Kadarin]

Group C: Wall Street leeches who siphon wealth out of the stock markets via high frequency trading and credit default swaps.

 

[Texashiker]

I think much of the concern OP has on these matters is inspired by the fact that the rich in America are working hard to convince the middle class to hate the poor.

I respectfully disagree.

There are groups of people out there that know how to exploit the system. For one example, when my wife worked for a local doctors office, there was a 20, or 21 year old man who went to the doctor, and was was on social secueirty disability.

The mothers excuse for him to be on SS, he has diabetes.

Another family, as soon as one of the daughters turned 18, the mother got the daughter on SS disability, the excuse, she is bi-polar. The family has 5 kids, one parent works a barely above minimum wage job, and the family has been on some kind of welfare for 3 generations.

but it's a convenient boogeyman for the least-informed voters in this country.

I thought you were an intelligent person who was capable of abstract thought?

In case you skipped the opening post, what is the difference between people who abuse welfare, and criminals?

One works inside the system, one works outside the system. But ether way, both are a drain on the system.

If both groups are a drain on the system, why are they viewed differently by the public?

 

[zsdersw]

The leeches on welfare dont contribute at all. They must be taken off welfare and forced to work, make them contribute

Forced to work for whom? Why must an employer be forced to hire them?

 

[spacejamz]

Group C: Wall Street leeches who siphon wealth out of the stock markets via high frequency trading and credit default swaps.

Group D : Illegal Aliens who are bleeding the school, hospital and prison systems dry to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars each year. All of the schools in the border states are screwed because they have to pay for bilingual teachers and books, pay for their breakfast and lunch, all while the quality of education for non-spanish speaking students suffer because the teachers have to spend more time with those struggling to keep up.

No discussion on how fvcked the hospital systems are...just look at the ER at any of the border state hospitals to see where that money is going...pretty much ditto on the prison systems....

 

[nehalem256]

I think much of the concern OP has on these matters is inspired by the fact that the rich in America are working hard to convince the middle class to hate the poor.

You have to work hard to make people hate a group of people, who largely, make life choices that make it so they require government bailouts.

Are you next going to tell me the Democrats have to work hard to make people hate the Wall Street banks that required government bailouts?

And now lets look at this statement

Numerous right wing radio commentators and heavily biased "news" outlets are eager to paint the working poor as lazy. Yet the jobs available to these people, while crucial to the community, are so degrading and barely pay enough for any decent quality of living that people find it more worthwhile to game the system either through crime or welfare. In many cases this is preferable to working multiple shitty jobs and abandoning your children in the process.

So they are not lazy they are downright immoral. Why wouldnt I hate these people?

And as per the OP. And notice how you linked crimes and welfare together. Why is it so much more socially acceptable to go on welfare than to be a criminal?

What is the difference between CHOOSING to pop out a child you cannot afford and robbing a bank? Other than the cost to society of robbing a bank is likely lower.

 

[SheHateMe]

At what age exactly should the child be killed?

It isn't a child until far into the first trimester, so, you have plenty of time to decide whether or not to get rid of the fetus.


This is funny though, because I specifically remember debating with Nehalem and Incorruptible about how a woman has a right to decide to have an abortion and the two of them said "killing kids is wrong"....now Nehalem is a proponent of abortions..but only if they are forced on women he deems too incompetent to carry a baby to full term.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Group A- Small town farming family, active in everything in their community
Group B- Big city IT guy, goes to cubical and posts in P&N, goes home posts in P&N, 50,000 post count
FIGHT!!

 

[nehalem256]

....now Nehalem is a proponent of abortions..but only if they are forced on women he deems too incompetent to carry a baby to full term.

Women who are unable to feed their children should get an abortion. I am not sure why this is controversial.

I always thought it would be fun to also include a provision so that Right Wing Christians and Feminists could "adopt a child" like they do for African babies and pay for the cost of raising the child instead of the taxpayer. Let them put their money where their mouth is instead of trying to enforce their morality on my wallet.

 

[soulcougher73]

Forced to work for whom? Why must an employer be forced to hire them?

Work for the state building roads and schools and park maintenance etc. You want a check we'll give you some nice manual labor

 

[soulcougher73]

Group A- Small town farming family, active in everything in their community
Group B- Big city IT guy, goes to cubical and posts in P&N, goes home posts in P&N, 50,000 post count
FIGHT!!

LOL

 

[zsdersw]

Work for the state building roads and schools and park maintenance etc. You want a check we'll give you some nice manual labor

They're still on the public dime, though. We need to get them off of the public dime.

 

[Texashiker]

Forced to work for whom? Why must an employer be forced to hire them?

If someone is going to draw benefits from the state, shouldn't that person be required to contribute something back?

The local jail has prisoners who pick up trash around the court house and cut the grass.

By picking up trash and cutting the grass, the criminal is contributing back to society, while the welfare bum sits at home.

 

[SheHateMe]

Women who are unable to feed their children should get an abortion. I am not sure why this is controversial.

I always thought it would be fun to also include a provision so that Right Wing Christians and Feminists could "adopt a child" like they do for African babies and pay for the cost of raising the child instead of the taxpayer. Let them put their money where their mouth is instead of trying to enforce their morality on my wallet.

Its not controversial, I just think its interesting that you went from saying Abortion is wrong in one thread to saying it is okay in another.

 

[zsdersw]

If someone is going to draw benefits from the state, shouldn't that person be required to contribute something back?

The local jail has prisoners who pick up trash around the court house and cut the grass.

By picking up trash and cutting the grass, the criminal is contributing back to society, while the welfare bum sits at home.

That's fine, but it doesn't get them off of the public dime... welfare, paychecks, or sitting in prison... the money still comes from the taxpayer.

 

[xanis]

That's fine, but it doesn't get them off of the public dime... welfare, paychecks, or sitting in prison... the money still comes from the taxpayer.

I see where you're going with this and I agree. Ideally, the system would be a little tighter and there'd be less incentive to game it. The fact remains though that welfare is here to stay. In the meantime, if these people are going to be sucking on the taxpayers' tit, they might as well earn it, no?

 

[zsdersw]

I see where you're going with this and I agree. Ideally, the system would be a little tighter and there'd be less incentive to game it. The fact remains though that welfare is here to stay; if these people are going to be sucking on the taxpayers' tit, they might as well earn it, no?

Perhaps, but when they're tied to "earning" their government benefits they have little incentive (to say nothing about time) to find private-sector employment. I realize it's better than getting nothing at all out of them, but it's time to stop accepting half-measures. We simply cannot afford it anymore.

 

[1prophet]

Everytime one of these welfare topics comes up, I sit back and wonder wtf.
Here in Canada, if you are employable(and live in an area where employment is available), you just can't sit back and collect welfare.
You have to apply for jobs, and turn these lists in before you can collect a check.
Is it really a matter of just walking in and collecting a check for the rest of your life in the US?

The truth is somewhere in between, and then there are those that game the system collectively.

Poorest community in America

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/21/n...st-place.html?pagewanted=all&_moc.semityn.www