Controlling federal spending is actually well under way

[xj0hnx]

I'm a douche bag?

Well, you got one part right, don't forget to give yourself a high five.

 

[Darwin333]

Nationalize the healthcare to fix the runaway cost. Rather than just pay the bills to greedy companies. US healthcare is way off the charts in cost compared to any other nation with public universal healthcare.

Right now you could cut the healthcare spending with 50% to truely nationalize it.

Exactly how would nationalizing the healthcare system save us 50% right now?

 

[Darwin333]

Has the CBO produced any projections that demonstrate this?

Fern

CBO estimates are a little funny and our critters in DC know this. See, per Congressional mandate iirc, they must use existing law to come up with their estimates. For example, if they did a 10 year estimate of our budget deficit last year by law they would have to assume that ALL of the Bush tax cuts would be expiring because at the time there was no law that extended any of them. Now we all know that the critters weren't going to allow all of the tax cuts to expire but the CBO has its hands tied. IMHO, this is a major factor as to why they write some laws the way they do.

Bottom line is, as with any calculation garbage in = garbage out.

 

[Darwin333]

Its only obvious if you are an idiot.

Single payer government run health care means the government sets the prices. A doctor can't charge $80 for aspirin if the government says aspirin costs $1. A doctor isn't going to prescribe unnecessary medicine if there is no kick back and patients will be able to get second opinions (with a doctor of their choosing) before unnecessary procedures are done.



Must be hard not knowing everything. I deal with it by looking things up on this tool called the internet.

Now I wonder if you can use that amazing tool and tell us all exactly WHY hospitals and doctors charge so much (and different prices)? Please keep in mind that most hospitals aren't exactly making a fortune, in fact a large number of them are, and have been, losing money.

 

[nehalem256]

Its only obvious if you are an idiot.

Single payer government run health care means the government sets the prices. A doctor can't charge $80 for aspirin if the government says aspirin costs $1. A doctor isn't going to prescribe unnecessary medicine if there is no kick back and patients will be able to get second opinions (with a doctor of their choosing) before unnecessary procedures are done.

Must be hard not knowing everything. I deal with it by looking things up on this tool called the internet.

So your argument is that Health Insurance companies like paying for unnecessary medicine and procedures?

^_^

Well I guess that sorta makes sense that liberals would believe this considering they believe these same companies will pay men 30% more to do the same job. :awe:

 

[ivwshane]

Now I wonder if you can use that amazing tool and tell us all exactly WHY hospitals and doctors charge so much (and different prices)? Please keep in mind that most hospitals aren't exactly making a fortune, in fact a large number of them are, and have been, losing money.

First off doctors are not hospitals. Second hospitals are required to treat people who come into the ER, do you know how many of those people have insurance? What about how many of them are US citizens? Who do you think pays the bills when the patients don't?

 

[ivwshane]

So your argument is that Health Insurance companies like paying for unnecessary medicine and procedures?

^_^

Well I guess that sorta makes sense that liberals would believe this considering they believe these same companies will pay men 30% more to do the same job. :awe:

Health insurance companies pay the doctors, people pay their insurance company, insurers just pass the costs on to the consumer.

Are you seriously this stupid? Well I guess you are since righties are fucking morons and vote against their self interest.

 

[nehalem256]

Health insurance companies pay the doctors, people pay their insurance company, insurers just pass the costs on to the consumer.

And insurers could keep more for themselves and/or attract more customers by paying the doctors less.

And its absolutely no different than your system.

Government pays the doctors, people pay the government, government just passes the costs on to the taxpayer.

 

[ivwshane]

And insurers could keep more for themselves and/or attract more customers by paying the doctors less.

And its absolutely no different than your system.

Government pays the doctors, people pay the government, government just passes the costs on to the taxpayer.

Yes that's why insurers do everything they can to deny a claim.

No a government system would set the costs, the patients would then have the power to choose the doctor they want. Less fraud (less not none), more choices, and no middlemen taking a cut. It also means reduced paperwork (one system versus multiple systems) which means less overhead and administrative costs.

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Yes that's why insurers do everything they can to deny a claim.

No a government system would set the costs, the patients would then have the power to choose the doctor they want. Less fraud (less not none), more choices, and no middlemen taking a cut. It also means reduced paperwork (one system versus multiple systems) which means less overhead and administrative costs.

The government can't set the cost of medicine or anything else. They can set a reimbursement price and doctors choice to accept the government insurance or not.

 

[ivwshane]

The government can't set the cost of medicine or anything else. They can set a reimbursement price and doctors choice to accept the government insurance or not.

I'm sorry what? In a single payer government run healthcare system they most certainly do set the price and I'm sure they even do the negotiating with the drug companies.