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I'm wondering what thoughts are on convergence? Do you think we'll be having phones and tablets running Windows and iOS and desktop applications in the near future? I do.
Is Android simply a stop gap measure to hold consumers over until x86 processors can run Windows and iOS and consumer under 4W? That is my opinion.
While from what Anand is saying Haswell might be able to get to 6 or 7 watts but not 4W so Haswell won't be our ultramobile (table/phone) processor to run Windows. Do you think the Broadwell shrink to 14nm will be the "convergence" chip or will it be the die shrink to Skylake at 10nm, or even Skymont. I am betting Skylake will be the convergence chip.
When Windows and iOS is running in ultramobile devices and adequately running most desktop applications will the supporters of the Android market continue to push Android despite the lack of the iOS and Windows application base? I have a feeling this will prove to be an uphill battle if the Windows/iOS experience on these devices is good.
If the answer to the above is no then can the Android chip makers compete with Intel in the x86 space? I think that's a tough order for them when you look at Intel's massive head start. Talk to AMD about that one. Then again the Android guys have been very aggressive thus far.
Finally, if Intel can get Windows running well in phones and tablets, and by that I mean decent performance running "normal" apps and good battery life. And they have no competition for a number of years they can have an enormous monopoly until (and if) the rest can catch them.
Think about it. AMD would have the best chance to get x86 chips into these devices it would seem, but if you can design and fab sub 4W parts with C2D performance then you are out. There is no "low end parts" you can sell. Either you can do it or you can't.
I think it's going to be an interesting next couple of years.
- Mark
Is Android simply a stop gap measure to hold consumers over until x86 processors can run Windows and iOS and consumer under 4W? That is my opinion.
While from what Anand is saying Haswell might be able to get to 6 or 7 watts but not 4W so Haswell won't be our ultramobile (table/phone) processor to run Windows. Do you think the Broadwell shrink to 14nm will be the "convergence" chip or will it be the die shrink to Skylake at 10nm, or even Skymont. I am betting Skylake will be the convergence chip.
When Windows and iOS is running in ultramobile devices and adequately running most desktop applications will the supporters of the Android market continue to push Android despite the lack of the iOS and Windows application base? I have a feeling this will prove to be an uphill battle if the Windows/iOS experience on these devices is good.
If the answer to the above is no then can the Android chip makers compete with Intel in the x86 space? I think that's a tough order for them when you look at Intel's massive head start. Talk to AMD about that one. Then again the Android guys have been very aggressive thus far.
Finally, if Intel can get Windows running well in phones and tablets, and by that I mean decent performance running "normal" apps and good battery life. And they have no competition for a number of years they can have an enormous monopoly until (and if) the rest can catch them.
Think about it. AMD would have the best chance to get x86 chips into these devices it would seem, but if you can design and fab sub 4W parts with C2D performance then you are out. There is no "low end parts" you can sell. Either you can do it or you can't.
I think it's going to be an interesting next couple of years.
- Mark