convince me not to buy a 30" apple cinema...

[CP5670]

Maybe I should have said without any interpolation. 1280x800 is exactly 1/4 of the native, so there won't be the usual blurriness and scaling artifacts. The pixel size will be comparable to that of a TV but it's still a decent resolution.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Buying a huge display without hdcp support seems totally insane to me.

what is hdcp? i dont plan on using this thing for anything except a computer monitor. i dont need all kinds of fancy inputs and stuff...it just needs to have DVI and thats it. it is a computer monitor only.

edit: is that high bandwith digital content protection? why do you care about that?

Seriously man, obeseotron is right. I LOVE the 30" ACD, but with no HDCP support, it's just a bad decision to buy one. ESPECIALLY since the rumor has it that Dell is coming out with their 30" LCD with HDCP support soon.

 

[touchmyichi]

.... why would you have any need for a monitor bigger than 2405? Seriously, this is about as big as I'd ever want it to get. 30" is just bonkers.

 

[SickBeast]

Originally posted by: ND40oz

Originally posted by: ST

Originally posted by: ND40oz
Here's another reason for you: Dell 3007FPW, should be available next month.

specs? or is this another craptacular 30" dell lcd/tv with max res of 1376x768?

I can assure you this isn't an LCD TV. I've seen the Dell monitor matrix and the 3007 is supposed to ship in Dec, followed by the 2407 and 2007 in Feb/Mar. Now you know why your seeing 2405s thrown in with dell pcs for $1100 combo deals. They're getting replaced...

The 2407 is just gonna be a 2405 with lower response time and HDMI support or whatever it's called for Vista.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: CP5670
Maybe I should have said without any interpolation. 1280x800 is exactly 1/4 of the native, so there won't be the usual blurriness and scaling artifacts. The pixel size will be comparable to that of a TV but it's still a decent resolution.

It will still be blocky though, and personally I like the supersampling scaler better than the linear scaler, but that's just me.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Buying a huge display without hdcp support seems totally insane to me.

what is hdcp? i dont plan on using this thing for anything except a computer monitor. i dont need all kinds of fancy inputs and stuff...it just needs to have DVI and thats it. it is a computer monitor only.

edit: is that high bandwith digital content protection? why do you care about that?

Seriously man, obeseotron is right. I LOVE the 30" ACD, but with no HDCP support, it's just a bad decision to buy one. ESPECIALLY since the rumor has it that Dell is coming out with their 30" LCD with HDCP support soon.

i appreciate the advice, but just FYI the reason i came here asking for it is because i didnt know stuff like this. if you guys could tone it down to the strictly informational level without the touch of attitude i wouild also appreciate that. :beer:

with that said, i will wait to see what the dell monitor has to offer. i really dont care about watching HD stuff though. i told you guys...im not going to do what on my computer. i use my computer to browse the internet, type papers, play games, and edit video. if HDCP effects any of that, then it concerns me. if it doesnt, then i dont care at all.

 

[Nirach]

The 30" is crazy huge, yes.

But have you ever tried using one for extended periods of time?

I used one for a weekend, and goddamn, my head has never hurt so much in all my computer operating life. It's just so big it defeats any use other than watching films, and the price is.. Well, through the roof. I love the Apple cinema displays, but damn. 30" pushes the bounds of sanity. I'd say, if you need huge, dual 20", dual 23" or single 23".

But too many and it looks like you're compensating for something

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Nirach
The 30" is crazy huge, yes.

But have you ever tried using one for extended periods of time?

I used one for a weekend, and goddamn, my head has never hurt so much in all my computer operating life. It's just so big it defeats any use other than watching films, and the price is.. Well, through the roof. I love the Apple cinema displays, but damn. 30" pushes the bounds of sanity. I'd say, if you need huge, dual 20", dual 23" or single 23".

But too many and it looks like you're compensating for something

hardy har har. i just like LCDs and i have use for big/multiple ones. i know it isnt for everyone, but it is for me.

i already have the dual 20s as you said, and everyone here may be persuading me just to get dual 24s instead of a single 30. im not sure yet...im going to go to the mall and spend some more time in the mac store using the big daddy and see if it hurts my head.

 

[Nirach]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Nirach
The 30" is crazy huge, yes.

But have you ever tried using one for extended periods of time?

I used one for a weekend, and goddamn, my head has never hurt so much in all my computer operating life. It's just so big it defeats any use other than watching films, and the price is.. Well, through the roof. I love the Apple cinema displays, but damn. 30" pushes the bounds of sanity. I'd say, if you need huge, dual 20", dual 23" or single 23".

But too many and it looks like you're compensating for something

hardy har har. i just like LCDs and i have use for big/multiple ones. i know it isnt for everyone, but it is for me.

i already have the dual 20s as you said, and everyone here may be persuading me just to get dual 24s instead of a single 30. im not sure yet...im going to go to the mall and spend some more time in the mac store using the big daddy and see if it hurts my head.

good plan.

I think it was a huge jump for me, I was using 15" at the time, so.. Doubling the screen size just made my head spin, and I had no use for that much realestate on the desktop. If you have the use for it, then might as well go for it. Only live once, right?

 

[MrDudeMan]

:thumbsup: Nirach. ill be back later to report whether or not it made my headspin

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
Okay, here's a convince:
It's expensive, and it will drain on your computer. Your GT might not even be able to game on resolutions that high. And if so, you'll have to upgrade very 2 months!

Stay with a 24" CRT. A good one. Or if you don't have the space, a 24" 2405FPW.

Norm

SLI 7800GTS would probably strugle at the native res lol!

not to mention dual link doesnt work with SLI iirc.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
Okay, here's a convince:
It's expensive, and it will drain on your computer. Your GT might not even be able to game on resolutions that high. And if so, you'll have to upgrade very 2 months!

Stay with a 24" CRT. A good one. Or if you don't have the space, a 24" 2405FPW.

Norm

SLI 7800GTS would probably strugle at the native res lol!

not to mention dual link doesnt work with SLI iirc.

i dont have or want SLI. but thats interesting anyway.

 

[jldash]

DO IT!
I have used Apple and Dell displays extensively (at work and home). The Apple displays are of better build quality than the Dells... (do a google search for whining, squealing, 2405fpw and you'll see what I mean).

However, the Dells have goodies that the Apple units do not: extensive inputs (Apple has a strict digital (DVI) only policy). Also, the Dells have the option to display resolutions either scaled or natively, which is nice for gaming.

Be all that as it may, since you did not ask how to spend your money, rather if you should get one of these. I still say DO IT! The 30" is absolutely amazing. Digital photography, video editing, and yes, even CODING are glorious on this display.

 

[imported_harsaphes]

After one week my new ACD 30 inch displayed the "dancing pixel problem", which is reported on, on the apple discussion boards.
There is a hack which requires lowering your refresh rate...it works, but i feel i shouldnt have to hack a 2400 monitor.
just be aware of the problem.

 

[obeseotron]

Dell's 24" currently has specs that blow away the Apple 30" in response time, contrast, brightness. I've seen the Apple 30 set up in stores and at school, don't get me wrong it looks great, but I'm not sure about anything with too much motion. The hypothetical Dell 30" will almost surely beat 16ms and 400:1, you can count on Dell having much better pricing than Apple and most importantly you'll be able to play HD content which will actually become available after Vista is out, and HDCP is available and supported. Something better is always around the corner, but in this case where there is a clearly defined standard that will be required by Vista and any other OS that wants to play DRMed video and a very short time to wait and a great deal of money at stake, as I said it would be insane to willingly ignore something like hdcp.

 

[imported_Finny]

...*Dreams of a Gigabyte Quad Royal running 4 512 GTXs in SLI powering four of these beastly monitors at once*...

5120x3200... Wow...

(Yes, I know it's actually impossible to run a game at this resolution due to some technical restrictions, but hell, just dream, man!)

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Dell's 24" currently has specs that blow away the Apple 30" in response time, contrast, brightness. I've seen the Apple 30 set up in stores and at school, don't get me wrong it looks great, but I'm not sure about anything with too much motion. The hypothetical Dell 30" will almost surely beat 16ms and 400:1, you can count on Dell having much better pricing than Apple and most importantly you'll be able to play HD content which will actually become available after Vista is out, and HDCP is available and supported. Something better is always around the corner, but in this case where there is a clearly defined standard that will be required by Vista and any other OS that wants to play DRMed video and a very short time to wait and a great deal of money at stake, as I said it would be insane to willingly ignore something like hdcp.

good points and i will probably listen to this advice. lets be looking out for the dell 30.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer

Originally posted by: cevilgenius
Okay, here's a convince:
It's expensive, and it will drain on your computer. Your GT might not even be able to game on resolutions that high. And if so, you'll have to upgrade very 2 months!

Stay with a 24" CRT. A good one. Or if you don't have the space, a 24" 2405FPW.

Norm

SLI 7800GTS would probably strugle at the native res lol!

not to mention dual link doesnt work with SLI iirc.

i dont have or want SLI. but thats interesting anyway.

For the insane native res, youd pretty much have to have SLI to exepct playable frames at all, which means, for gaming this display is not ideal.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

For the insane native res, youd pretty much have to have SLI to exepct playable frames at all, which means, for gaming this display is not ideal.

i said a little further up that i will keep a 2005 to game on

 

[MrDudeMan]

im posting from the apple store right now...man this thing is awesome. im basically in love with a piece of hardware its so hard to walk away from it...

 

[drum]

Originally posted by: Bigsm00th
im posting from the apple store right now...man this thing is awesome. im basically in love with a piece of hardware its so hard to walk away from it...

[pa] put your hands behind your head and slowly back away from the display sir [/pa]

 

[w00t]

just say bye to gaming i dont even think you could run native res with that thing in cs 1.6 even with 7800gtx's 512mb in SLi. It's a nice huge monitor not for gaming

 

[imported_boe]

I'm hoping to see some specs on the 2407FPW so I know if I should wait for it or if I should just the get the 2405FPW the next time it is on sale. I'm curious if the color, response time or contrast are any better than the 2405FPW.

 

[tshen83]

Originally posted by: obeseotron
Dell's 24" currently has specs that blow away the Apple 30" in response time, contrast, brightness. I've seen the Apple 30 set up in stores and at school, don't get me wrong it looks great, but I'm not sure about anything with too much motion. The hypothetical Dell 30" will almost surely beat 16ms and 400:1, you can count on Dell having much better pricing than Apple and most importantly you'll be able to play HD content which will actually become available after Vista is out, and HDCP is available and supported. Something better is always around the corner, but in this case where there is a clearly defined standard that will be required by Vista and any other OS that wants to play DRMed video and a very short time to wait and a great deal of money at stake, as I said it would be insane to willingly ignore something like hdcp.

I don't think you have any idea how LCDs are made. The Apple 30in uses the S-IPS LG-panel. The dell 30 inch will use the same panel, as it's the only 30 inch LCD panel out there that is massively produced.(which means, it will have almost the same spec as the Apple screen, unless they overdrive the panel like they did with the 2005FPW, down to 12ms) the 2405FPW has a much higher spec because it's a Samsung PVA/MVA panel, which is slower than its advertised response time. The beautiful thing about a SIPS panel is that the response curve over the entire color spectrum is flat. PVA/MVA or the "fast" panels (under 8ms) or so are a major hack job, the response curve for the grey level isn't flat sometimes as high as 100ms!, and they just advertise the lowest point of their response, i want to kill their marketing department!

 

[tshen83]

if I am guessing right, if DELL is not stupid, they will release the 30 inch screen with the following spec

400-450:1 contrast (limitation of the LG panel)
12-16ms response (limitation of LG panel with a little overdrive)
250-350 nits brightness(depends on which backlight they chose)
HDCP protection(a function of the LCD controller, they are probably going with GENESIS controllers)

and I WILL BE PISSED if DELL chose to go with a 30 inch SAMSUNG panel this round like they did with the 2405FPW.... The 2405 FPW in my opinion isn't as good with color as the 2005FPW.