Convince me that I don't want a Golf GTI

[Hans Gruber]

Unsure about anyone else in this thread but my buddy bought his GTI because of the 72,000 bumper to bumper... he drives a lot for work. Only 1 year of ownership and he's already over 35k miles (and one blown tranny).

WHen you say tranny. I assume you are talking about an automatic transmission instead of blowing out the clutch on a manual transmission.

 

[Hail The Brain Slug]

WHen you say tranny. I assume you are talking about an automatic transmission instead of blowing out the clutch on a manual transmission.

Yes, the 7 speed DSG.

 

[zinfamous]

hey @pauldun170, where is your new GTI?

 

[pauldun170]

hey @pauldun170, where is your new GTI?

Soon-ish
Based on ye old spreadsheet it will be in a few months.

In the meantime I'm spending way to much time window shopping lol. It's turning into ritual now.
Checks -> cars sites for certified 2018 SE manuals under 40k miles
Makes the "WTF is with all the white ones?" statement.
Over thinks the carfax reports and writes little short stories about everything that is reported. Complete with crayon sketches
Watches another video on how to unclog Sunroofs and door drains so it doesn't leak into the cabin.

Checks -> Car sites for certified 2019 S manuals
Observes mileage and anything under 5K results in me telling the cat that its a buyback for someone who got frustrated with the stalling issue.

Then proceeds to check yelp reviews of all the dealerships selling within reasonable driving distance and notes that upstate dealers have shitty shady service departments and every car advertised in MD is a lie.

Goes back to car sites and on expands search for 2017 GTI Sport manuals
Feelings of distrust and doubt swells and makes assumption every single one of them had JB4 installed which then turns into a deep dive the "Warranty industry"

Makes pitstop at GTI reddit pages and VWVortex to note not much has changed since the last time I checked and then reminisces about the gold ole days of internet forums.

I'm may write a book about my experience.
Titled "Dumbass and the hunt for Ze German car"

 

[Hans Gruber]

Soon-ish
Based on ye old spreadsheet it will be in a few months.

In the meantime I'm spending way to much time window shopping lol. It's turning into ritual now.
Checks -> cars sites for certified 2018 SE manuals under 40k miles
Makes the "WTF is with all the white ones?" statement.
Over thinks the carfax reports and writes little short stories about everything that is reported. Complete with crayon sketches
Watches another video on how to unclog Sunroofs and door drains so it doesn't leak into the cabin.

Checks -> Car sites for certified 2019 S manuals
Observes mileage and anything under 5K results in me telling the cat that its a buyback for someone who got frustrated with the stalling issue.

Then proceeds to check yelp reviews of all the dealerships selling within reasonable driving distance and notes that upstate dealers have shitty shady service departments and every car advertised in MD is a lie.

Goes back to car sites and on expands search for 2017 GTI Sport manuals
Feelings of distrust and doubt swells and makes assumption every single one of them had JB4 installed which then turns into a deep dive the "Warranty industry"

Makes pitstop at GTI reddit pages and VWVortex to note not much has changed since the last time I checked and then reminisces about the gold ole days of internet forums.

I'm may write a book about my experience.
Titled "Dumbass and the hunt for Ze German car"

Perhaps ye should take a peek at the latest Car and Driver 10 Best issues. Pick a car from that issue and buy the car that best fits your needs. If you buy new, you need not worry about the stall issues of others.

 

[pauldun170]

Perhaps ye should take a peek at the latest Car and Driver 10 Best issues. Pick a car from that issue and buy the car that best fits your needs. If you buy new, you need not worry about the stall issues of others.

lol
Wrong thread.

 

[Hans Gruber]

lol
Wrong thread.

Page 46 and 47 clearly show the car you desire in this thread.

 

[pauldun170]

Page 46 and 47 clearly show the car you desire in this thread.

Perhaps ye should take a peek at the latest Car and Driver 10 Best issues. Pick a car from that issue and buy the car that best fits your needs. If you buy new, you need not worry about the stall issues of others.

I take it you didn't read this thread?

You should...its fun thread.

 

[zinfamous]

Page 46 and 47 clearly show the car you desire in this thread.

there's a page 46 ITT?

 

[zinfamous]

Soon-ish
Based on ye old spreadsheet it will be in a few months.

In the meantime I'm spending way to much time window shopping lol. It's turning into ritual now.
Checks -> cars sites for certified 2018 SE manuals under 40k miles
Makes the "WTF is with all the white ones?" statement.
Over thinks the carfax reports and writes little short stories about everything that is reported. Complete with crayon sketches
Watches another video on how to unclog Sunroofs and door drains so it doesn't leak into the cabin.

Checks -> Car sites for certified 2019 S manuals
Observes mileage and anything under 5K results in me telling the cat that its a buyback for someone who got frustrated with the stalling issue.

Then proceeds to check yelp reviews of all the dealerships selling within reasonable driving distance and notes that upstate dealers have shitty shady service departments and every car advertised in MD is a lie.

Goes back to car sites and on expands search for 2017 GTI Sport manuals
Feelings of distrust and doubt swells and makes assumption every single one of them had JB4 installed which then turns into a deep dive the "Warranty industry"

Makes pitstop at GTI reddit pages and VWVortex to note not much has changed since the last time I checked and then reminisces about the gold ole days of internet forums.

I'm may write a book about my experience.
Titled "Dumbass and the hunt for Ze German car"

If it helps, I'd offer to sell you my 2019 SE with just over 6k miles, no JB4 or any tune, any mods, fixed stalling issue...if I could find a Golf R in the area for sale that I want (nope! There's maybe 3 total).

 

[pauldun170]

there's a page 46 ITT?

I think he was talking about the magazine.

 

[zinfamous]

I think he was talking about the magazine.

ahhhhh

 

[pauldun170]

If it helps, I'd offer to sell you my 2019 SE with just over 6k miles, no JB4 or any tune, any mods, fixed stalling issue...if I could find a Golf R in the area for sale that I want (nope! There's maybe 3 total).

This thread would be hilarious if I bought yours and you bought a golf r.

 

[zinfamous]

This thread would be hilarious if I bought yours and you bought a golf r.

It's OK. the problem this year is that I need a new (partial) roof and a re-pipe. ...need to get that in the works within the next month.

Because that's responsible.

 

[pauldun170]

hey @pauldun170, where is your new GTI?

Re-replying out of respect to those who have been down this damn trail.
The game is afoot.

 

[zinfamous]

Re-replying out of respect to those who have been down this damn trail.
The game is afoot.

Make it so!

....also, I would be lying if I said that I didn't spend a few hours yesterday updating myself on the 2022 Golf R (first year for the Mk8 here, releasing here in the USA c. 3rd quarter this year), and how truly awesome it is. It basically matches/beats the AMG45S on a spring, despite having 100 less horses. Crazy.

We don't get the fancy exhaust options over here though, which sucks. :|

 

[DrMrLordX]

We don't get the fancy exhaust options over here though, which sucks. :|

There's always the aftermarket. How much is the 2022 Golf R going to cost?

 

[rstrohkirch]

It basically matches/beats the AMG45S on a spring, despite having 100 less horses.

Ehhh. The 45s destroys the MK7 in both the quarter and 0-60 and I'm not sure how the MK8 is going to change that with only 10-15 HP more than the 7. Though I'm not sure what you mean by "a spring" and I take it to mean off the line.

 

[pauldun170]

Ehhh. The 45s destroys the MK7 in both the quarter and 0-60 and I'm not sure how the MK8 is going to change that with only 10-15 HP more than the 7. Though I'm not sure what you mean by "a spring" and I take it to mean off the line.

Check it out

 

[DrMrLordX]

So it's about $54k USD, give or take. Hmm. A bit spendy. Granted that's the price for the UK.

 

[rstrohkirch]

Check it out

So, I'm giving the squinty eyes on this video =]

The very first run has the R catching back up to the 45s which is definitely not going to happen. If you watch you see the guy in the 45s randomly hand shifting the car which he shouldn't be doing if he did a launch start. The 45s is almost a full second faster in the quarter and this video shows them almost identical. I'm going to remain neutral on this until I see some other videos.

Here is a video of what I expect to actually happen as there is very little difference in power between the MK7 and MK8. Also check out the differences in the rolling starts and how the 45s easily pulls away from the 7 but in the other video it sits there. But I'll keep an open mind and it definitely could be performing better than the the numbers suggest. Probably not much in the quarter but 0-60 could be surprising.

 

[rstrohkirch]

So it's about $54k USD, give or take. Hmm. A bit spendy. Granted that's the price for the UK.

That's a good 4K more than it was before IIRC. I'm pretty sure I built one in the config last year and it had few available options and topped out at 50K.

 

[pauldun170]

So, I'm giving the squinty eyes on this video =]

The very first run has the R catching back up to the 45s which is definitely not going to happen. If you watch you see the guy in the 45s randomly hand shifting the car which he shouldn't be doing if he did a launch start. The 45s is almost a full second faster in the quarter and this video shows them almost identical. I'm going to remain neutral on this until I see some other videos.

Here is a video of what I expect to actually happen as there is very little difference in power between the MK7 and MK8. Also check out the differences in the rolling starts and how the 45s easily pulls away from the 7 but in the other video it sits there. But I'll keep an open mind and it definitely could be performing better than the the numbers suggest. Probably not much in the quarter but 0-60 could be surprising.

Saw that one.
Since it was a wet track I didn't list that one.

 

[zinfamous]

Check it out

yeah that's the one. They're neck and neck. Very...odd. And restrokerchck....you're name is impossible to type. The Mk8 is about 30hp more than the Mk7(.5). That isn't insignificant, but I wonder if what we're really seeing is more benefit from the supposedly "100% power can be distributed to the rear wheels" now, and the suspension tweaks in the R. Dunno, there's more than just powah going on with the new R than previous gens.

I agree that we need to see more testing done, but VW does say that they trimmed like 14 seconds off their Nuerbiergringddgsed time compared to the previous R, and that ain't nothing, either. Reviewers (or maybe just owners once these get out in the wild) need to put these cars on dynos. Could be that we're actually seeing more (or less from Merc?) power than being advertised. It's not like VW is all that honest with their numbers....

It also looks a lot better than the other Mk8 Golfs, so that's nice (I hate the front of the GTI with those honeycomb fog lights and that dirty mustache).

But I mean, if you're neck and neck with a 100hp difference? "Winning by a hair" isn't really a win, lol. The Merc is lighter, too, isn't it?
Oh, also the A45S is a $90k+ car....

The Carwow dude in his full test of the 2022 R did a 4.03 0-60 (advertised 4.5, I think).

C&D is estimated price for the Mk8 R to be $40-45k, but I don't believe it. That was the price you could get for the 7.5 back in 2019, around here anyway, when those things grew on trees and their wasn't a pandemic. (It would not have been hard to get a GTI S for $23-24k then--I paid 29k for my SE, with MSRP of 34k). There's a whole lot more stuff in this one and car prices have gotten stupider. I agree that it will likely be ~$50k. I mean, I don't think you'll be able to get a Mk8 GTI for less than $30k now *I think* that is the expected MSRP for the sport (though, VW could also be reducing the trim for the Mk8 in the US, as they are only selling GTIs and R, anyway). So if the GTI sport starts at 30k, you expect Autobahn to be in the $40-45k range (previous R territory).

And there is only one trim for the R, though it also means they don't get any of the options that the Europeans get (sad).

 

[rstrohkirch]

The Mk8 is about 30hp more than the Mk7(.5). That isn't insignificant, but I wonder if what we're really seeing is more benefit from the supposedly "100% power can be distributed to the rear wheels" now, and the suspension tweaks in the R. Dunno, there's more than just powah going on with the new R than previous gens.

I thought the Mk7.5 had a power bump to 305 or 306hp and the new mk8 is advertising 315? Perhaps that 305-306hp wasn't US power ratings.

But I mean, if you're neck and neck with a 100hp difference? "Winning by a hair" isn't really a win, lol. The Merc is lighter, too, isn't it?
Oh, also the A45S is a $90k+ car....

We don't get the 45s here only the 45 but if it were to follow their normal pricing standards then it would start at about 60K in coupe trim and you'd probably be at 70k by the time you actually got the options you wanted on it. If you tried to buy it off the lot though at the price good luck. Dealers would probably option them to 75-80k without a doubt. They were already trying that on the regular 45.

The Carwow dude in his full test of the 2022 R did a 4.03 0-60 (advertised 4.5, I think).

If he got 4.03 then you could easily get 4.00 after a few attempts. Which means that it's probably a combination of more power and transmission changes, possibly even a better launch control setup.

And there is only one trim for the R, though it also means they don't get any of the options that the Europeans get (sad).

I thought they just did the same thing other manufactures do in the US for certain models. In some countries you can ala cart your options but in the US they tend force options into just a couple of packages which artificially increases the price.