[coolaler] Devils Canyon: 4.0 base/ 4.4 turbo @ stock

[OCGuy]

6/25 is estimated ship date for retail boxed from Newegg. Have one ordered, but will keep an eye on Microcenter and Frys near by for early shipments or OEM chips.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-369-_-Product

 

[blackened23]

So, do we have to get an upper-end mobo to oc the low end Pentium? Or is Intel changing the lower level boards and allowing ocing for the Pentium? I don't get it if Intel still makes it where we need to buy a higher-end chipset mobo for this cpu.

Can we use lower boards to oc the Pentium now or no?

No, you get a Z97 motherboard that is cost effective for a Pentium at 90-120$. There is no indication that H97 and H91 will support overclocking. So you do your due diligence in being a smart shopper and get a cost effective Z97 mobo for an unlocked Pentium. Despite what some may say, there are affordable Z97 motherboards. In fact, I saw some low end Z97 mobos on sale last week for 89.99. There is an ASrock model at 99.99$. At 110-120, there are many many Z97 boards. That is what you pair with an unlocked Pentium.

The higher priced motherboards merely get you SLI, more USB ports, more SATA ports, and stuff along those lines. If you want to overclock, any Z97 will do. And on that note, there are TONS of Z97 boards around 110$.

This is where common sense and smart shopping come into play. Search newegg for a motherboard that is price appropriate for the Pentium, and yes, there are motherboards that use Z97 that are cheap. If H97 were an overclocking chipset, we would know by now. As of right now, that's a no go. So that means, find a cheap Z97 board. Find a motherboard that is actually cost effective for the Pentium, it's not difficult, newegg search filters help quite a bit.

 

[formulav8]

Figures, No thanks then Intel. No real desire for me to spend that much for a board for that cpu.

Looks like it is fine for you and others which is great. Looking forward to see what clocks you all get for sure

 

[freinando]

To be honest I have a 4770k and Im thinking of getting this CPU. Mainly beacause my haswell cant go over 4.4 Ghz and it needs the whole 120v from the wall outlet to do so. Still I want to see how it performs first before taking the swing.

 

[Bman123]

Did they show what the i5 got for an over clock?

 

[Skott]

I pre ordered a 4790k from NE. Coming from a 2500k it should be a vast improvement. I wish I had a MC store in my area. I'd definitely by from them since no one else can beat their in store prices.

 

[sm625]

Considering how highly integrated haswell is supposed to be, it makes no sense that the motherboards are so expensive. The price just seems to keep going up and up and up. What happened to all those $50 boards that let you overclock an allendale 100%?

 

[thelead]

I really want to know how well this will OC on air. I've had a 2600k for what seems like ages. I'm still not sure if I'm ready to upgrade...

 

[avx81]

To be honest I have a 4770k and Im thinking of getting this CPU. Mainly beacause my haswell cant go over 4.4 Ghz and it needs the whole 120v from the wall outlet to do so. Still I want to see how it performs first before taking the swing.

Nobody can really tell you what to do with your money because at the end of the day its what you want. If you have a 4770k already at 4.4 stable then I don't see the point though. It's going to perform exactly the same way your 4770k does. If you actually need something more powerful then wait for haswell e if your actually using applications on your computer that can take advantage of it and not just gaming. Anything over 4 cores at this time is completely useless for gaming but I know that will start an argument here on the forums. I'm pretty sure I said it before but during the OC event intel even mentioned that their target group is customers that have a 5 year old cpu. Not someone that already has a 4770k so its basically a side grade.

At least wait for skylake which is probably coming out no later than the second half of next year. Hopefully ddr4 will also be more affordable at that time. I have an old i7 920 and I'm having a hard time trying to justify the upgrade because everything I use my pc for (mostly gaming) runs perfectly even at 1440p.

 

[moonbogg]

Who's ditching their 3930k for a 4790k?

 

[Dave3000]

I right now have an i7-4930k but I'm not sure if I should sell it and my motherboard and buy a Z97 motherboard and the i7-4790k when it become available. I wouldn't be surprised if 6 cores were used extensively in upcoming games later this year because of the latest game consoles. If now there are games that require more than 2GB VRAM for highest graphics settings, such as Watch Dogs, what is stopping developers in utilizing 6-8 cores heavily in upcoming games?

 

[Arachnotronic]

I really want to know how well this will OC on air. I've had a 2600k for what seems like ages. I'm still not sure if I'm ready to upgrade...

Can't blame ya...2600K was an amazing chip.

If you upgrade, either do it because you just want to, or because you need more advanced platform features that you can't get from a 2600K (i.e. PCIe 3.0).

 

[formulav8]

Considering how highly integrated haswell is supposed to be, it makes no sense that the motherboards are so expensive. The price just seems to keep going up and up and up. What happened to all those $50 boards that let you overclock an allendale 100%?

Yeah Intel stiffed ocers to some extent. Forcing you to buy higher-end chipsets to oc. Sad that you literally have to buy specific chipsets to change a multiplier. It somewhat takes away from what ocing was all about. I loved using a cheapo mobo and get 50% oc's and such in the past out of lower-end chips.

But Intel wanted to make it cost more now, and they succeeded. Not much you can do.

 

[Ed1]

Well that 4.4GHz is only for a single Thread in turbo mode, base clock for all 8 threads is 4GHz. But yes, i dont think it will have worst OC potential.

no, that is base clock of 4.o I think the cores run 44x, 44x, 43x, and 42x so all cores with turbo is 4.2ghz

 

[sxr7171]

Yes, they could easily do a refresh. Would it be competitive with anything that intel has, be it Haswell, Ivy, or Sandy in terms of CPU performance?

Well, the answer to that is, "LOL" for that I would agree with toyota, that question is a joke in and of itself. You could add 1ghz to the Kaveri and it still would not be competetive in terms of CPU performance/IPC. Now i'm sure some AMD reseller somewhere will link that one cherry picked OpenCL benchmark. Let's not kid ourselves though. Kaveri isn't in the same league in terms of IPC regardless of clockspeed. So really, there isn't much point in AMD doing that since the 7850k is already overpriced at 190$ as is...

"LOL" ha ha! Well said. Nobody get mad. It is what it is. Period.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Figures, No thanks then Intel. No real desire for me to spend that much for a board for that cpu.

Looks like it is fine for you and others which is great. Looking forward to see what clocks you all get for sure

I agree. For the vast majority cases, I think an i3 with a cheaper motherboard would be a better choice at close to the same price.

 

[avx81]

I right now have an i7-4930k but I'm not sure if I should sell it and my motherboard and buy a Z97 motherboard and the i7-4790k when it become available. I wouldn't be surprised if 6 cores were used extensively in upcoming games later this year because of the latest game consoles. If now there are games that require more than 2GB VRAM for highest graphics settings, such as Watch Dogs, what is stopping developers in utilizing 6-8 cores heavily in upcoming games?

Nobody can predict the future. Most people are not gonna shell out another few hundred dollars for a 6 core chip though just for gaming unless your forced to in the future. As long as you have a halfway decent cpu anything at 1080p or higher your biggest bottleneck will probably be the gpu. I recall watching a video on youtube from jayz2cents about this. From what I remember he literally had to take his 3770k and take it down to 2 cores/4 threads and under clock it before he started to see a real noticeable difference.

 

[freinando]

Nobody can really tell you what to do with your money because at the end of the day its what you want. If you have a 4770k already at 4.4 stable then I don't see the point though. It's going to perform exactly the same way your 4770k does. If you actually need something more powerful then wait for haswell e if your actually using applications on your computer that can take advantage of it and not just gaming. Anything over 4 cores at this time is completely useless for gaming but I know that will start an argument here on the forums. I'm pretty sure I said it before but during the OC event intel even mentioned that their target group is customers that have a 5 year old cpu. Not someone that already has a 4770k so its basically a side grade.

At least wait for skylake which is probably coming out no later than the second half of next year. Hopefully ddr4 will also be more affordable at that time. I have an old i7 920 and I'm having a hard time trying to justify the upgrade because everything I use my pc for (mostly gaming) runs perfectly even at 1440p.

Like I said I will wait to see how it overclocks. I use a heavily CPU bound application in FSX, if it does 5GHz then the upgrade it's worth for me. Also I'm running my Haswell on a H110 pull push but I'm voltage limited at 4.4. If I can squeeze 600MHz more out of the 4790k then I will take my chances.

 

[TeknoBug]

I recall watching a video on youtube from jayz2cents about this. From what I remember he literally had to take his 3770k and take it down to 2 cores/4 threads and under clock it before he started to see a real noticeable difference.

I accidentally did the same when messing with msconfig boot # of processes, noticed a bit of a difference down at 2cores with HT turned on and was wondering why Planetside 2 was running like crap until I noticed in task manager that it said 2C/4T, it literally felt like I was using an i3 3220.

 

[biostud]

Who's ditching their 3930k for a 4790k?

idiots?

 

[AtenRa]

Using SPECint for desktop now ??
Im sure at the same clocks when OCed the difference will be less than 20% :whiste:

This must be the only benchmark that will show 291% performance difference, im sure they tried hard to find the one benchmark to rule them all,

ps: also completely irrelevant for desktop usage, im sure they could show a nice performance gain going from Core 2 Quad to Devils Canyon by using Cinebench or x264 with AVX but noooo they had to use SPECint

 

[thelead]

Using SPECint for desktop now ??
Im sure at the same clocks when OCed the difference will be less than 20% :whiste:

This must be the only benchmark that will show 291% performance difference, im sure they tried hard to find the one benchmark to rule them all,

ps: also completely irrelevant for desktop usage, im sure they could show a nice performance gain going from Core 2 Quad to Devils Canyon by using Cinebench or x264 with AVX but noooo they had to use SPECint

I want to see gaming comps between an OC'ed 2600k/3770k vs this 4790k.

 

[SAAA]

Did they show what the i5 got for an over clock?

Only my personal opinion but I think the i5s will OC less even with HT disabled. Why? Simple: in order to 'bin' their processors Intel is testing those quad cores chips and the ones who can pass 4-4.4GHz validation test are named i7 4790K with factory stable speed guaranteed, then all the chips who aren't stable with low enough voltage or have HT problems (a minor fraction I guess) are called i5 4690K and have only 3.5/3.9GHz base/turbo.
This would solve two problems in one: binning good chips and getting rid of the bad ones (voluntary exaggeration).
Still you get the same thermal/electrical benefits on all DCs so even the worst i5 should be better than any 4670K.
On the i7 side? Probably better average OC because of binning but nothing prevents them to have still voltage walls etc.

 

[AtenRa]

I want to see gaming comps between an OC'ed 2600k/3770k vs this 4790k.

All you have to do is look again at last year Haswell reviews, its the same performance nothing changed at the same clocks.

 

[thelead]

BTW, how long do you guys think it'll be before we start seeing some OC'ed benchmarks?