[coolaler] Devils Canyon: 4.0 base/ 4.4 turbo @ stock

[StinkyPinky]

A word or two about temperatures: Intel says it is to use the same processor-in-box (PIB) cooler for this chip as for the 4770K. We used just such a heatsink during regular testing and found that, due to the extra power consumption generated by higher voltages, the Core i7-4790K ran hotter, at an average of 88C, compared to 78C for the older Haswell processor.

Um....okay then. Sounds very underwhelming.

 

[jj109]

Um....okay then. Sounds very underwhelming.

This was on the stock cooler though, so it doesn't tell us anything. For all we know it could be the tiny heatsink being overworked. I congratulate Hexus on the laziest review I've had the displeasure to read.

 

[avx81]

Overclocking event http://www.twitch.tv/overclockingtv. Not sure if it was posted already. Going to be using devils canyon chip. There will be air cooling comp also. Think I'm personally more interested in the air cooling competition.

 

[erunion]

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2358...lus-a-20th-anniversary-pentium-processor.html

Now we know how they improved the package:

 

[MisterMac]

.....here's to hoping this means mature tank 22nm.

Although it doesn't look like it.


...so fo retail OC estimates we'll have to wait til late june?

 

[OCGuy]

Hexus jumped the NDA but shows a stock 4790k at 10%+ improvement over 4770k.

Great chip so far. Needing 1.1xx for 4.4 sounds good to me. Not sure why time was wasted using a retail HSF.....that will always give worst case boost.

Looking forward to more info. If anyone sees retail availability post it please.

 

[MisterMac]

Hexus jumped the NDA but shows a stock 4790k at 10%+ improvement over 4770k.

Great chip so far. Needing 1.1xx for 4.4 sounds good to me. Not sure why time was wasted using a retail HSF.....that will always give worst case boost.

Looking forward to more info.

...were you expecting a worse gain when clocks increased 10% +/- also?

 

[OCGuy]

...were you expecting a worse gain when clocks increased 10% +/- also?

No... 10% at stock + whatever OC gains for a chip that was just supposed to be a boring refresh is a wonderful thing.

The people who will downplay the significance of such a thing are fooling only themselves.

 

[MisterMac]

No... 10% at stock + whatever OC gains for a chip that was just supposed to be a boring refresh is a wonderful thing.

The people who will downplay the significance of such a thing are fooling only themselves.

Your in an enthusiast forum.

We are technicly robbed of a 14nm desktop part for now - and we gain a replacement that is higherclocked in base - yet may OC worse.

Thats not something i'm excited about....yet.

 

[Magic Carpet]

Your in an enthusiast forum.

We are technicly robbed of a 14nm desktop part for now - and we gain a replacement that is higherclocked in base - yet may OC worse.

Thats not something i'm excited about....yet.

Same here. The power consumption went up just as I expected. Can as well oc my 4770k to these speeds. Still would like to read a few more official reviews, though.

 

[avx81]

Your in an enthusiast forum.

We are technicly robbed of a 14nm desktop part for now - and we gain a replacement that is higherclocked in base - yet may OC worse.

Thats not something i'm excited about....yet.

Which is why I'm watching the overclocking competition now to see what the air/liquid coolers get. If you already have a 3770/4770 then its a waste anyway to go to 4790k anyway. I'm still using an old i7 920 and considering it. I don't really want to wait another year for skylake. Broadwell so far does not seem all that interesting but they also have not released a lot of details on it. Depends if I like what I see. They just posted a leader board of one team hitting 5.5 on air/liquid? but again they didn't really release any details on it. I'm thinking you will probably be able to get around 5ghz stable with a decent cooler

http://hwbot.org/competition/intel_occ_computex14/

 

[OCGuy]

Your in an enthusiast forum.

We are technicly robbed of a 14nm desktop part for now - and we gain a replacement that is higherclocked in base - yet may OC worse.

Thats not something i'm excited about....yet.

It is impossible for it to OC worse, since 4.4ghz is already at/above the average HW OC. 4.6-4.7ghz on aftermarket air is about what I would expect, and would be quite an event during an otherwise boring period for CPU enthusiasts.

 

[MisterMac]

It is impossible for it to OC worse, since 4.4ghz is already at/above the average HW OC. 4.6-4.7ghz on aftermarket air is about what I would expect, and would be quite an event during an otherwise boring period for CPU enthusiasts.

Let me get this straight.


You are clapping in your hands for what is essentially a factory OC'ed 4770k.
...that so far shows no promise of improving ANYTHING on the OC front comparing to a 4770k.

is your name is like...ironic or something?

Personal attacks will not be tolerated
-ViRGE

 

[Homeles]

Your in an enthusiast forum.

We are technicly robbed of a 14nm desktop part for now - and we gain a replacement that is higherclocked in base - yet may OC worse.

Thats not something i'm excited about....yet.

May OC worse? Are you crazy? It's running at 4.4GHz on the stock cooler.

 

[blackened23]

You guys have GOT to be kidding. Many 4770k CPUs can't get past 4.2 GHz at 1.25V+, while this is getting 4.4ghz turbo at 1.15V. Are you kidding me man? My 4770k can't get that without 1.25V and with high temps at that (not that i'm complaining, just stating as a point of reference. It's OBVIOUS that intel binned these as the best of the best chips due to the low voltage they're using (relatively speaking, for 4.4GHz), I expect good things. I'm not expecting an arbitrary number such as 5ghz, but i'm impressed nonetheless. The power delivery was improved.

If you have a 4770k already, you are NOT the target market. I don't know what the hell you're expecting. If you have a 4.6GHz 4770k already, go find another thread, the 4790K isn't for you. Anyone getting a 4790K for another 300mhz is either doesn't give a F(lip) about the money or just silly because that 300mhz doesn't mean jack in the real world. Wait for Haswell-E or if you're an AMD fan go buy whatever AMD CPU tickles your fancy.

Despite popular belief, most of the people buying this chip aren't yearly upgraders. I can see people with Nehalem level or Lynnfield CPUs lining up for this. If the OC's are even remotely good - and if it's 4.4ghz at 1.15v? It should be - then it will be a great chip for those upgrading. Again, yearly upgraders are not the norm and not the target market. I don't know what anyone with an existing 4770k would expect, come on, give me a break. It should have been obvious from the get-go that if you have a 4770k that overclocks reasonably well then the 4790K isn't for you.

 

[frozentundra123456]

Yea, I dont really see the logic behind all the negativity. Perhaps there was too much hype, as usual with every intel and amd release, but they didnt raise the price. So 10% plus gain for no increase in cost seems like a good deal to me. If anything seems disappointing it is the 4670k, which shows only a 0.1 ghz bump like the rest of the haswell refresh line.

It is too soon to tell, but I would assume as well, that comparable gains will be made in overclocking, since it will turbo to 4.4 on the stock cooler. TBH, I never did accept the rumors of 5 ghz on easy on air.

 

[avx81]

Yea, I dont really see the logic behind all the negativity. Perhaps there was too much hype, as usual with every intel and amd release, but they didnt raise the price. So 10% plus gain for no increase in cost seems like a good deal to me. If anything seems disappointing it is the 4670k, which shows only a 0.1 ghz bump like the rest of the haswell refresh line.

It is too soon to tell, but I would assume as well, that comparable gains will be made in overclocking, since it will turbo to 4.4 on the stock cooler. TBH, I never did accept the rumors of 5 ghz on easy on air.

Seems like to many people were expecting a magical chip. It was said since the beginning that devils canyon was going to be a haswell chip with better thermal material. Appears that they also added a few capacitors.

In the OC competition they got devils canyon to 5.5 in the water/air competition. However I think they were probably the team that was probably running fumes from ln into the aio. I'm still thinking a 5ghz stable clock with a good air cooler or liquid cooling is possible.

I even mentioned before theres no point in upgrading if you have 3770/4770. I'm not exactly sure what people were expecting either with this chip. If you have a 3770/4770 your easily still good for another few years. My i7 920 is still running perfectly so I may even hold out another year. It's not an issue of money I have plenty to spend on a computer.

Also if you watched the overclocking competition an intel rep came out and pretty much said that their target was people who have 4-5 year old cpu's trying to get them to upgrade. I'm lucky enough to live right around the block from a microcenter which sells 4770k for $270 so I'm thinking they will do the same for devils canyon. Still thinking I might not jump on this.

 

[Homeles]

Yea, I dont really see the logic behind all the negativity. Perhaps there was too much hype, as usual with every intel and amd release, but they didnt raise the price. So 10% plus gain for no increase in cost seems like a good deal to me. If anything seems disappointing it is the 4670k, which shows only a 0.1 ghz bump like the rest of the haswell refresh line.

Exactly. Although I do think the 4690K (you made a mistake) is impressive as well, considering it's getting the upgraded packaging for the same price. Stock clocks don't matter so much when you can get 4790K speeds with the literal press of a button.

It is too soon to tell, but I would assume as well, that comparable gains will be made in overclocking, since it will turbo to 4.4 on the stock cooler. TBH, I never did accept the rumors of 5 ghz on easy on air.

5GHz looks like it's easily in grasp, IMO.

Seems like to many people were expecting a magical chip. It was said since the beginning that devils canyon was going to be a haswell chip with better thermal material. Appears that they also added a few capacitors.

I'm still expecting a "magical chip." Come on guys, this turbos to 4.4. That's incredible. It's the same price as the existing 4770K, while having a ~14% higher base clock and ~13% higher turbo.

 

[OCGuy]

If you have a 920, this is an extremely worthy upgrade candidate.

This is finally the chip that all but the most cherry 2500k owners should take a hard look at.

I went from a 940 to a moderately clocked Haswell, and have not looked back. I dont need DC, but I am finally excited about a CPU to really tinker with.

Last time I felt like this as far as CPU OC fun was an E8600 Wolfie.

 

[OCGuy]

OC competition over. 5.5ghz WR on air. Factor in the usual margin v retail and more conservative voltages/temps, 5ghz may not be so far fetched after all.


http://hwbot.org/competition/intel_occ_computex14/

 

[skipsneeky2]

10%+ oc isn't bad for a refresh at all. i expected less actually.

 

[avx81]

OC competition over. 5.5ghz WR on air. Factor in the usual margin v retail and more conservative voltages/temps, 5ghz may not be so far fetched after all.


http://hwbot.org/competition/intel_occ_computex14/

I mentioned that before but I don't think they released what cooler that team used. Like I said I know one of the teams used an aio cooler then ran the fumes from liquid nitrogen into the radiator to help cool it down further. Guess there was no rule that says you can't indirectly use liquid nitrogen. I don't think it should have been allowed at all but I guess do what you need to win. Not sure if that was asus/msi team or not. It probably was though. I still think 5ghz may be possible with a high end air cooler/water cooling setup.

 

[AtenRa]

May OC worse? Are you crazy? It's running at 4.4GHz on the stock cooler.

Well that 4.4GHz is only for a single Thread in turbo mode, base clock for all 8 threads is 4GHz. But yes, i dont think it will have worst OC potential.

 

[mikk]

Even a stable 4.7-4.8 Ghz multithread OC air result would be an improvement over the current 4.4-4.5 Ghz, back to Ivy Bridge level or slightly better.

 

[formulav8]

So, do we have to get an upper-end mobo to oc the low end Pentium? Or is Intel changing the lower level boards and allowing ocing for the Pentium? I don't get it if Intel still makes it where we need to buy a higher-end chipset mobo for this cpu.

Can we use lower boards to oc the Pentium now or no?