Cooling mods.

Amaron

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It's been a long time since I considered case modding but I have a new E8500 that I'd like to get some better cooling on for OCing.

Instead of just drastically increasing air flow in my case I thought I'd look for something different just for fun. After digging around though it's hard to find info on anything but phase change or water cooling.

So I thought I'd ask if anyone knows of any different and innovative cooling mods/methods? Also if anyone knows any other good forums for talking to people about this sort of thing I'd be happy for the info.
 

LOUISSSSS

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i'm not sure what you're looking for but i think its "better" cooling for your e8500. you should tell us what you're using right now so we can tell you whats "better."

are you looking for lower temps? less noise? more fun?
 

zagood

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There are also some nice basic case mods you can do that help tremendously. I pretty much do this right off the bat when I get a new case...

1. Cut out the fan grills so there's less air restriction.
2. Cut holes in the motherboard mounting so it's easier to route cables around the back, and if you have a heatsink that uses mounting behind the motherboard.
3. Check for any loose areas on doors or front bezel. Pad that with some adhesive foam or even layered masking tape.
4. Get soft mounts for fans.

Gear:

1. Megalahems.
2. Multi-channel fan controller.
3. Ram cooling - either ghetto mod a fan onto your ram, or get one of the Corsair or OCZ fan kits.

 

Amaron

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Well my air flow through the case is pretty decent and I think adding more fans without cutting an exhaust in the top would just create air flow craziness.

Therefore I've been trying to find info on mods that would lower the ambient temp of the air going into the case but I can't seem to find mods focused on that sort of thing. It's probably not the "best" solution but I want to try something different for fun.
 

Rifter

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put your PC in a freezer and cut a hole for the cables and rig up a small door infront of the CD drive
 

faxon

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Originally posted by: Rifterut
put your PC in a freezer and cut a hole for the cables and rig up a small door infront of the CD drive

i have been thinking of doing a mod like this some day myself actually. isnt such a good idea to put the whole rig in a refrigerator though unless you dehumidify the entire thing to bellow the point where water will actively condense on the cold metal parts in the computer. anything more and the comp will short out. what you CAN do is get a refrigeration unit for a water loop covering the whole system (complete mobo/cpu and gpu water block), and then toss a coolant in it which wont ice up. there's a thread here somewhere about a guy who delidded his i7 and turned the IHS into a waterblock, with the water cooling the die directly. the cooling performance of his loop was pretty insane. probably isnt worth the risk though
 

BonzaiDuck

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Originally posted by: WoodButcher
Search through posts here by "BonzaiDuck" http://forums.anandtech.com/se...spx?requesttimeout=500
The duckster has done a great deal of tinkering (we old guys tinker, you young pups call it research!) in this area and has some beautiful mods.

Apparently, the OP will have to search for it because the link you posted doesn't work.

Motherboard ducting offers the following advantage to air cooling -- with or without heatpipes:

1) Somewhere in the range of a 3C to 10C improvement in CPU cooling, depending on the thermal power or effective TDP of the processor

2) Better cooling to motherboard components, if the ducting of everything (including the CPU) is done to restrict air-flow over the motherboard, CPU and even the VGA card, and force pressurized air past those components for immediate exhaust from the case through exhaust fans (also included in the ducting scheme or design.)

3) It is possible to seriously reduce VGA temperatures through both ducting and 3rd-party heatpipe designs.

4) You may be able to eliminate noisy Northbridge fans by tedious attention to ducting-details that channel air through Northbridge heat-sink/pipe fins as part of this pressurized, low-volume air-flow. Cooling would probably even improve over application of Northbridge cooling fans in the 40-to-70mm size-range. This would eliminate temptation to apply larger fans, such as those 80mm or larger.

5) In order to have a good ducted-air cooling system, you need marginally higher CFMs on the intake side as opposed to those on the exhaust side. For instance, two or more 120mm intake fans (with decent ventilation) would be balanced against (a) a single 120mm or 140mm exhaust fan, or (b) two 120mm exhaust fans with lower CFMs and (implicitly) lower rpms.

6) To do the ducting, you can experiment with folded, corrugated cardboard, then apply the working prototype's design to a construction with foam art-board, such as you would obtain in 18"x24" panels at Michael's Arts & Crafts or even Target. The Target brand can be of lower quality (Elmer's); the higher the quality, the better the duct construction.

You can bend art-board along creases to form boxes. You must strip away the paper-backing 1/8" wide along the crease line for a neat fold.

You can glue the art-board to bond it in pieces. Michael's sells a "rubber-adhesive-like" tube of glue (petroleum distillate), but it tends to melt the foam part of the board. You can use certain silicone-adhesive-sealants, although the joints will feel rubbery and flex just a bit. There is a special "Foam-Safe" glue that you can buy for art-board made by ZAP -- obtainable at hobby-stores -- which does not melt or degrade the foam while making a super-glue-quality bond with both paper and foam. This latter glue is a bit pricey: $10 or so for a bottle containing 4 Fl Oz or so, but you can get quite a bit of application out of it -- enough for a single project.

7) Instead of art-board, you can cut and fit pieces of 1/8"-thick clear Lexan. Lexan costs around $15 for a 12"x18" piece. (Foam-board 18"x24" or 24"x36" costs around $6 per panel at Michael's and $3 per panel at Target.) To glue the Lexan pieces, use ZAP's "Poly-ZAP." Also a bit pricey, but it is a good bonding/welding agent for Lexan -- perhaps similar acrylics like plexiglas -- but it is a Lexan specialty product.

8) If you can "hang" the lighter foam-board pieces on heatsinks and PCB-hardware so that it is secure, you will be fine. Although Lexan is heavier, you can still do it without fasteners, but you may want to consider affixing the construction(s) to the case or motherboard panel. Velcro tabs are useful for either type of construction material (but use a drop of Lexan glue to mate the Velcro with the Lexan.)

Ducts can be made to fit snugly without posing a danger through tension or stress on components. They can be made to fit snugly enough that you take care removing and replacing them, but not so snugly that any significant stress on components would attend those operations.

9) IN ADDITION TO DUCTING: Although it voids the warranty protection on your processor, lapping the processor cap to bare copper (they are usually nickel-plated) has a significant impact on overall thermal resistance and might produce as much as a 5C-degree improvement in load temperatures for a thermal-wattage around 100W. If you do the CPU-lapping with reasonable care, there is no risk affecting the actual physical probability of CPU-failure -- expected lifespan would be the same. [You just won't be able to RMA it.]

If the heatsink-base is nickel-plated copper, you can also lap it flat and bare, with a resulting additive improvement of similar magnitude. ThermalRight also says that lapping voids their warranty, yet resellers (like SVC) that sell "custom-lapped" Ultra 120 Extremes replace the TR warranty with their own (of more limited duration.) The actual risk of damage in lapping a heatpipe cooler arises from how the unit is hand-held while moving it across wet-or-dri sandpaper -- you don't want to damage the heat-pipe welds. And thus, TR's warranty limitation is most likely addressing the stress-related damage -- and not the removal of the nickel-plate as a product-life-shortening factor.

You can choose to use diamond TIM or thermal paste. For a thermal-wattage of around 100W, you can expect an improvement over Arctic Silver 5 of 2 or 3C degrees. It will also be as good or better than anything other than AS5 -- including some of the newer market entries.

To give an example, I measured room-ambient temperatures with a digital thermometer, asking for comparisons to other enthusiasts who had recently purchased the same Q6600 C2Q B3-stepping, over-clocked to above 3 Ghz in a range of 3.0 to 3.2 and set to similar VCORE voltages. The room-ambients of respondents was reported with varying likely accuracy -- some may have used the wall-thermometer to gauge it.

However, for approximately 80F room-ambient, my CPU cooling was approximately 8 to 10C better at load with a TR Ultra 120 Extreme cooler. This was before IHS lapping; the IHS was lapped later. My VGA card -- mildly over-clocked, does not much exceed 60C under my own gaming loads -- even with ambients around 80F.

Northbridge temperatures cause one of my San-Ace 120 exhaust fans to spin up at around 35C, and only under full loads. These temperatures are measured through motherboard sensors and BIOS, so there is no temperature-lag from use of a tape-on thermal sensor. The airflow aperture for that particular fan is controlled and restricted to the point that any further temperature rise would be significantly attenuated, and the BIOS monitor and other aids seem to confirm it.


 

Amaron

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Wow thanks for all the info Bonzai. I had considered some more ducting but that bit about the materials to use is really useful.

I'm still curious about methods to lower ambient intake temperatures. I don't understand why I can't find info on this honestly. Obviously lowering my AC to 60 or whatever would work but I don't want to freeze my ass off when I'm at my computer. As long as humidity and dew point is taken into consideration it should be possible to duct some sort of mini ac into the case's intakes. I've found some mini pelteir AC units (aka burn my electric bill). I never see anything more logical though (like sterling cycle or normal regenerative AC). People build amateur sterling engines all over the place these days so I'm very confused that I don't see tons of mods attempting to use them for lowering ambient air temperature.

I'm half tempted to build my own sterling engine air cooler but I had hoped to see some examples of cooling a PC this way.
 

aigomorla

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i almost thought this was a mod callout.

I was reading the title, and it said cooling mods, and im thinkn, wait im the only cases and cooling moderator.
 

Zap

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LOL, if someone was calling you out, it must mean one thing. "Hey, I need some help choosing some LC components..."
 

WoodButcher

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Originally posted by: Zap
LOL, if someone was calling you out, it must mean one thing. "Hey, I need some help choosing some LC components..."

rofl, if anything the duckster was called out! I saw this post and PM'ed him to be sure he saw it. This forum is loaded with some of the most helpful people in all the categories. I pick the brains of many, and this is the place to do just that.
 

BonzaiDuck

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Originally posted by: TidusZ
I'd like to see some pictures of this ducting mod if possible.

The project began as I contemplated what to do with a 1994 Compaq Proliant Server case I got for free (with SCSI hot-swap trays and other wonderful-ness).

I've got to poke around for the camera-uploads of my progress in modding the case. Basically, there was only one 120mm exhaust fan hole in this monster, so I cut sheet-aluminum (could've used sheet-steel, though) to mod the case rear so that a second 120mm fan sat on top of the original's position.

All of this sort of a-retentive tedium depends -- in its design -- on the case-design itself, your intended mods to the case, and the shapes of heatsinks, motherboards and PCI(or -e) cards. What I show here has a "look" that results from these factors. You can build the final ducts from Lexan more elegantly than have I in this project -- it takes time, as I said. That's why the less-elegant foam-board material provides both a sturdy result, even if less "winky-dinky-bling-bling." It's quicker to work with. (Ever cut yourself with a Lexan knife? Bloody! So take time, patience, use a good work-bench, dremel as needed . . . )

The bottom of the CPU/VGA duct-box provides an "implicit" duct for the motherboard, mosfets and NB. The air flows through the restricted space below the bottom of the CPU/VGA box, and gets sucked into the trapezoidal box fitted to the upper fan.

The CPU/VGA box has a "leaky" connection to the rear of the HD cage, pulling air off the hard-disks, pushing it through the ThermalRight, to get sucked out immediately with the lower 120mm exhaust fan.

To start, here's a decent (cluttered-office) shot of the final ProLiant case with 3" double-caster wheels under extended "feet:"

Chrome Lightning Compaq Resurrection

I discovered -- contrary to warnings about window-film and Lexan -- that you can apply window-film to the Lexan. You are warned about some sort of "milkiness" if the material is exposed to sunlight before the adhesive dries and sets, but no problem if you let it dry indoors. Tricky, though. You want to cut the window-film (perfectly) first -- then apply it. It ain't that easy!

Eventually, I was going to cut Lexan "shards" shaped from stencils based on dramatic lightning photos from "The Weather Channel," scratch up these pieces, and run the LED lights currently fitted to the removeable hard-drive trays (connected to a RAID controller) to the "lightning" pieces. I just never got around to it . . . . cuz once I got this beast put together, I jus' got . . . . lazy.

There are two 140mm intake fans on the case bottom in a specially-designed fan-duct-box -- thumb-screwed aluminum plate and a screen. Filtering employs custom-cut fiberglass AC filter-material ($0.79 per 18"x24" at Home-Depot).

Oh-- forgot. At the time of these pictures, there was only a single 140mm fan mounted behind the drive cage (the pusher-fan in front of the CPU duct-box.) I added a second 140mm fan mounted above it to double the "pull" from the HD cage. No problem! But no photo and "Sorry!"

There's an extra 140mm fan-hole in lower-case-front, and a custom-fit Lexan plate to seal it if not needed for use.

You can imagine (despite my need to post a picture of the case-bottom-fan-box) how this thing might require just a few 6/32" screw taps for water-cooling radiators, and there is PLENTY of space in there for all kindsa-exotic-s*** that might even make water-cooling "exotic."


Crude, folded, cheap art-board prototype for upper 120mm exhaust duct pulling air from below and above (restricted) motherboard.

Shows duct-box for ThermalRight U-120 (and Extreme) with a duct-box extension for VGA card fitted with a TR HR-03 heatpipe cooler

The two duct boxes installed, showing pusher-fan which pulls air from the HD cage

More of the upper duct box

Enameled CPU/VGA duct construction with built-in VGA cooling fan

The upper duct-box -- "semi-final" with Lexan and enameled foam-board

Blurred (sorry) picture of the duct-boxes installed in the modded 1994-Compaq ProLiant Server case

Another view of the case with the duct-boxes installed -- can hardly see the upper "trapezoid" box, because of the Lexan panels
 
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