Cop abuse incident in Texas

[local]

So, my boss lives in Craig Ranch. His house is about two miles from the pool. He had a hard time getting home last night due to protesters blocking the streets but that was the extent of his inconvenience. He did see the buses dropping off people from out of town to protest.

The majority of the community are happy with the overall police response but most feel the officer in question went a bit too far. Not necessarily to the point where they believe he should be fired though.

Just thought I would add in some info from someone who actually lives there.

 

[Sea Ray]

I saw a cop and asked if he was going to beat me up. Just have me a dirty look.

I fear cops and I'm white.

You've got nothing to fear as long as you cooperate. Just do as you're told and you'll be fine

 

[Sea Ray]

The issue I have isn't the police being called in to break up a pool party - whatever, closed communities have that right - it's only the completely unnecessary escalation by the one officer and then pulling a gun on a bunch of unarmed kids.

The situation was under control, there were a dozen officers there - there's no need to start wrestling a teenage bikini wearing girl, kneel on her, and escalating the situation. Worse he then pulls a gun on them. Completely unwarranted considering the situation, the lack of arms, the amount of backup, the lack of any physical violence to LEO.

I'm sympathetic to LEO and the tough situations they can be put in, but this was just poor judgement, unnecessary escalation of a situation, and they're lucky it didn't go more wrong. Use your head, act like an adult, don't go on a power trip -I think we can expect more out of our LEO.

It matters little if these kids were unarmed. Due to their numbers they could have overwhelmed the officer. In fact some seem to be surrounding him before he pulled out his gun. I can see how he felt threatened. Waving his gun had the desired affect. The kids backed down

 

[emperus]

White witness (15 yo) who was part of the party claims it was racial.

Black resident/witness (43 yo) claims it was not racial.

Who do you believe, the 43 year old man or a 15 year old kid?

My money is on the 43 old man.

Your money would probably be on a 8 month if he/she claimed it wasn't racial.

edit: You're bias is so transparent and what's makes it even more-so ridiculous is acting like no one can see it. Why don't you post another Daily Caller article on this incident why you are at it.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Got it #blackvoicesonlymatterwhentheysupportthenarrative

 

[HumblePie]

Well wading through the bullshit on both sides has me scratching my head.

I've seen and heard several variations of what went down to a point. It's confusing to the average person what the heck actually happened at this point.

Some stories have neighbors calling the police. Some have a neighborhood security guard. Some said the cops were called to stop a fight, and some say for trespassing from a mob of young teens.

Nothing I have seen has addressed the potential reasons as to why the police officer in question singled out the female teen to pin her to the ground in the first place from what I've seen. The videos all show after the fact, not what really lead up to it. And the conflicting stories all over the place about the entire incident just muddies everything.

So does anyone actually know why the officer felt the need to use force to detain and cuff the girl initially? Because I feel that is the crux of the whole incident.

The reason for the cops being there are perfectly valid. Most of their actions are also perfectly valid and lawful. The only thing I'm concerned about is the reason for the officer in question to forcefully restrain the teen. Of which I haven't a clue on as of yet through my rudimentary investigation. And seems to be something none of the news outlets have really touched upon either.

 

[Ackmed]

Remember, these are the same people that cheered when that 12 year old was murdered by police.

Show me one person here who cheered. Back up your shit talking or don't do it.

Facts are, the kids didn't have a right to be there. Some of them were fighting. They wouldn't leave. The had a mob mentality. All of this is over nothing, nobody got hurt, nobody got arrested. Some people just like to try and complain and make everything into a race issue and anti-cop. But you already know that, you're one of them. And your pals.

 

[emperus]

Show me one person here who cheered. Back up your shit talking or don't do it.

Facts are, the kids didn't have a right to be there. Some of them were fighting. They wouldn't leave. The had a mob mentality. All of this is over nothing, nobody got hurt, nobody got arrested. Some people just like to try and complain and make everything into a race issue and anti-cop. But you already know that, you're one of them. And your pals.

And those facts aren't actually facts.

1.) A lot of the kids lived in the community and so did have a right to be there.
2.) By all accounts the situation occurred and the incident escalated when a grown white woman assaulted and battered some teenagers after calling them racial slurs. I wonder, was she one of the people laying on the floor at gun point?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKnCiew976k


But of course, your bias has already colored whatever facts do exist.

 

[Subyman]

Not sure what video some of you are watching. I see a video of a cop significantly outnumbered by a riled up crowd attempting to arrest someone. While doing so two males run up to him aggressively and one has his hand behind his back moving around as if he is drawing a weapon. He is undeniably attempting with this behavior to intimidate the cop and make him feel he is about to get attacked. What would the correct response have been? He didn't shoot the guy and cops do indeed pull guns al the time in anticipation of being attacked. Watch what happens just before he pulls. What he did may not have been perfect, and the ninja roll at the beginning of the video is just straight up funny but it isn't like white cop draws gun on black girl while going for a swim.

Riled up? Most of the kids he was shoving to the ground were just standing around. He went after the black girl as she was walking away. It is a hard situation for the crowd, if a cop started manhandling and slamming around a 14yo girl in front of you, your instinct would likely be to help her. That is natural. This is exactly why police shouldn't escalate situations where there is no need to. Things go bad when instincts take over.

 

[Subyman]

Nothing I have seen has addressed the potential reasons as to why the police officer in question singled out the female teen to pin her to the ground in the first place from what I've seen. The videos all show after the fact, not what really lead up to it. And the conflicting stories all over the place about the entire incident just muddies everything.

So does anyone actually know why the officer felt the need to use force to detain and cuff the girl initially? Because I feel that is the crux of the whole incident.

The reason for the cops being there are perfectly valid. Most of their actions are also perfectly valid and lawful. The only thing I'm concerned about is the reason for the officer in question to forcefully restrain the teen. Of which I haven't a clue on as of yet through my rudimentary investigation. And seems to be something none of the news outlets have really touched upon either.

I brought this up earlier. Nothing justifies the cop slamming that girl down and brooding over her like an animal over a fresh kill regardless of why he was called there.

 

[CPA]

White witness (15 yo) who was part of the party claims it was racial.

Black resident/witness (43 yo) claims it was not racial.

Who do you believe, the 43 year old man or a 15 year old kid?

My money is on the 43 old man.

There's even a 16-year old black kid who says it wasn't racial.

Plus, the first kid in handcuffs was white.

 

[Blanky]

This is an incredible link. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/8/texas-cop-pulls-gun-on-pool-party-suspended.html

They show the cop pull the piece at 1:20. Prior to that they show him wrestling with the girl, then they trim several seconds out, then him pulling the gun. Fucking dishonest. That is even worse than the cnn link which at least shows the seconds prior once, even if not at the end. This is why we are all so stupid; the news is shit and treats us as fools.

 

[CPA]

This is an incredible link. http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/6/8/texas-cop-pulls-gun-on-pool-party-suspended.html

They show the cop pull the piece at 1:20. Prior to that they show him wrestling with the girl, then they trim several seconds out, then him pulling the gun. Fucking dishonest. That is even worse than the cnn link which at least shows the seconds prior once, even if not at the end. This is why we are all so stupid; the news is shit and treats us as fools.

And as you can tell by responses in this thread, many have already been fooled.

 

[Blanky]

Riled up? Most of the kids he was shoving to the ground were just standing around. He went after the black girl as she was walking away. It is a hard situation for the crowd, if a cop started manhandling and slamming around a 14yo girl in front of you, your instinct would likely be to help her. That is natural. This is exactly why police shouldn't escalate situations where there is no need to. Things go bad when instincts take over.

Nope, at 3:06 two girls rush over to get in his face. The one girl he pushes who as you say is standing around is literally between him and the one on the ground.

I am sure this could have been done without drawing his weapon but it isn't like these teens were not acting like idiots to begin with and begging for a response. I guarantee you no cop in this country while detaining somebody is going to roll over when two guys rush up to him in a manner that is intended to intimidate like those two did.

 

[Subyman]

And as you can tell by responses in this thread, many have already been fooled.

We saw the entire video to begin with. So, him slamming the teen down was a good arrest to you?

 

[Subyman]

Nope, at 3:06 two girls rush over to get in his face. The one girl he pushes who as you say is standing around is literally between him and the one on the ground.

I am sure this could have been done without drawing his weapon but it isn't like these teens were not acting like idiots to begin with and begging for a response. I guarantee you no cop in this country while detaining somebody is going to roll over when two guys rush up to him in a manner that is intended to intimidate like those two did.

He was already manhandling the 14yo at 3:06.

 

[mizzou]

why is this national news? these incidents are turning into gigantic dramatized junior high incidents. Everyone jumping quickly to support sided amd making decisions without any clue about what happened in its entirety.

Thanks CNN, the national enquirer of news. Leave twitter on twitter please.

 

[Subyman]

why is this national news? these incidents are turning into gigantic dramatized junior high incidents. Everyone jumping quickly to support sided amd making decisions without any clue about what happened in its entirety.

Thanks CNN, the national enquirer of news. Leave twitter on twitter please.

I guess we should only talk about police issues when they gun down people in the back?

 

[Darwin333]

Please cut this shit. See my posts above. I witnessed this PERSONALLY. It doesn't make it into the papers, because they try to keep it on the down low until it's too late and they've already started building. My parents had to fight this crap to keep "affordable housing" from being brought to their neighborhood. They fortunately won, but it took the whole neighborhood to get together to stop them. They didn't advertise it, instead they tried to sneak it in.

Who exactly tried to sneak it in? Who actually owns the property? They can pass laws like the ones already listed in this thread but just like with hiring practices they are rather easy to not abide by due to the difficulty of proving.

 

[cabri]

Who exactly tried to sneak it in? Who actually owns the property? They can pass laws like the ones already listed in this thread but just like with hiring practices they are rather easy to not abide by due to the difficulty of proving.

when people are climbing over the fence to bypass security guards; that is an indication that something is wrong.

People showing up at a PRIVATE party uninvited is another good indication.

While the interlopers may not have intended trouble; they apparently also refused to leave when asked.

 

[Subyman]

Again, why focus on the party? The issue is him slamming the girl down for mouthing.

 

[Darwin333]

lol, right. Yeah, that's what it is. Here's a novel idea, if you want to live in a certain neighborhood, earn it. And no, I don't want to here your sob story. The price of admission is a certain amount. You can't afford it, you don't get in. It's as simple as that.

Awe, do you have to live near some of those dirty poor folk? I bet your panties get all twisted every time you have to walk next to their beat up old cars in the parking lot. I bet they have kids too, oh the horror of having to watch those poor kids playing in areas that should be reserved for your type of people.

 

[Triumph]

I was taught in firearms safety training that you don't pull your gun and point it at something unless you plan on shooting it. A gun isn't meant to be used to coerce or intimidate someone into doing whatever you want them to do, which is what appears to have happened here. It's meant to be used to neutralize a deadly threat.

 

[cabri]

Again, why focus on the party? The issue is him slamming the girl down for mouthing.

The party is what caused the issue in the first place. and apparently the attitudes of the people afterwards.

The police were called in; they needed to sort out the issue. the teens were making it difficult; the running away was indicating that they knew that they should not be there and/or did not want to be questioned.

Mouthing off just made the situation worse; as with those teens then preparing to attack/confront the officer.

The officer was attempting to control the situation with a dozen of more teens. Isolating on just the girl ignores the overall picture of a potential tinderbox that was being faced.

 

[CitizenKain]

Hahah, "preparing to attack".

Maybe if officer dumbfuck had done his job properly instead of trying to feel up a teenager this would have been handled better.