Cop shoots guy for pulling out his driver's liscence.

[HeXen]

im happy the guy lived and happy the cop is getting in trouble but honestly how the fuck do you fire 3-4 shots from 10 feet and not actually kill the person you are shooting at

I know a guy shot 19 times and walked away, literally walked away. Not shot by cops though.

 

[alkemyst]

I know a guy shot 19 times and walked away, literally walked away. Not shot by cops though.

AirSoft?

 

[master_shake_]

AirSoft?

50 cent?

 

[HeXen]

lol, no, 4 guys shot him with 9's.

 

[dmcowen674]

Cop's take a risk in many situations when pulling someone over but that "comes with the territory" so to speak, you can't just assume he had a gun and start blazing away at a dude who was getting a wallet with his license in it.

Why not, this is Amerika

 

[highland145]

I know a guy shot 19 times and walked away, literally walked away. Not shot by cops though.

Read somewhere that 80%+ don't go down after being shot. Might die later but in the short run, they can still kill you.

 

[AMCRambler]

When two people are moving, targeting is more difficult than you realize.

Alky are we still talking about the video, or....

 

[alkemyst]

Alky are we still talking about the video, or....

I don't get it.

 

[Nashemon]

The cop should not shoot, esp. there are so many people out there.

However, the truck was pulled over in the beginning, but it moved to gas station. I wonder why he did that.

He seemed to pull him over for not putting on his seatbelt while he moved his car up in line for gas.

Truck in the beginning is not the same truck he shoots at.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Those first two shots look like they should have shot him point blank in the chest. Amazing no one was coming out of the store at that time, because you see they went thru the window and then who knows where.

 

[Craig234]

This was a wrong shooting. Having said that, traffic stops are risky, and the person moved so fast ducking back in the vehicle, that he could have been grabbing a gun, and that would be dangerous for the officer. Officers are aware from training how fast a person can suddenly grab a gun and shoot them. Unfortunately, it's hard to prevent that risk. The solution is not for the officer to shoot in a situation like this.

Now, if the person has responded slowly and calmly - said they were going to get their id from the dashboard and slowly moved to do so - there likely would not have been a shooting. But that doesn't justify this shooting. It's why there's an old suggestion that people keep their hands on top of the steering wheel when pulled over - it's not legally required, but it makes things safer for the officer, which makes them safer for you. Don't move really fast, it worried the officer, and he does have a gun.

Even though this officer will likely and correctly be convicted for this wrong shooting, it would have been better for everyone if it hadn't happened.

Chalk up another one for police videos though, that help justice - even better if the officer were wearing one, but at least the dashcam.

 

[squarecut1]

Looks like we are going back to the days of the wild west, not that we ever completely left those days in the first place

 

[Craig234]

The sad thing is think of how many times this has happened in the past with no camera, and maybe the guy died. Cop gets off scott free because anything he says is going to be believed.

It's difficult to get a conviction, which requires reasonable doubt, when all you have to go on is the officer's story, who knows what well to say to not get convicted, without video.

Even an eyewitness can make it hard to reach 'beyond a reasonable doubt', and it really should be as a whole lot of people are in jail over wrong witness testimony.

This is a reason I've long pushed for police to wear cameras - though I also think it'd be far more common for it to exonerate the officer and help convict the suspect.

 

[TallBill]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...-who-shot-unarmed-man-faces-charges/16178961/

Cop is fucked...or should be.

I'm gonna agree on this one. The general public usually gets these wrong but the civilian did nothing special to raise suspicion. Decisions are made quickly working the road, but unless I'm missing something, the cop was absolutely wrong here.

 

[TallBill]

It's difficult to get a conviction, which requires reasonable doubt, when all you have to go on is the officer's story, who knows what well to say to not get convicted, without video.

Even an eyewitness can make it hard to reach 'beyond a reasonable doubt', and it really should be as a whole lot of people are in jail over wrong witness testimony.

This is a reason I've long pushed for police to wear cameras - though I also think it'd be far more common for it to exonerate the officer and help convict the suspect.

The #1 problem with police wearing cameras is that the public does not understand police SOP's at all and quite often thinks differently about what really happened. I think that departments need to fully explain footage that is released better because of how it is misinterpreted. They usually don't because they forget that not everyone understands police tactics.

That being said, I'm okay with cameras on cops. I know that it'd be an extra hassle when I work the road (we have enough gear as it is), but it could be useful to cover my ass as well.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

cop needs to be shot for using vertical video

 

[VulgarDisplay]

Even as a white guy I explain EVERYTHING I am about to do for a cop that pulls me over. I don't want to end up dead from some guy that got C's in H.S.

 

[halik]

This was a wrong shooting. Having said that, traffic stops are risky, and the person moved so fast ducking back in the vehicle, that he could have been grabbing a gun, and that would be dangerous for the officer. Officers are aware from training how fast a person can suddenly grab a gun and shoot them. Unfortunately, it's hard to prevent that risk. The solution is not for the officer to shoot in a situation like this.

Now, if the person has responded slowly and calmly - said they were going to get their id from the dashboard and slowly moved to do so - there likely would not have been a shooting. But that doesn't justify this shooting. It's why there's an old suggestion that people keep their hands on top of the steering wheel when pulled over - it's not legally required, but it makes things safer for the officer, which makes them safer for you. Don't move really fast, it worried the officer, and he does have a gun.

Even though this officer will likely and correctly be convicted for this wrong shooting, it would have been better for everyone if it hadn't happened.

Chalk up another one for police videos though, that help justice - even better if the officer were wearing one, but at least the dashcam.

Bad shooting indeed, cops are trained to only fire if there's a gun pointed at them. This guy was extra jumpy. (There's a jumping the gun pun there, somewhere)

That being said, I would never ever move like that when dealing with cops (I'm white), it is a surefire way to get shot. I very much communicate all my moves and keep my hands visible at all times.

 

[Rakehellion]

This is one of the reasons why I usually take my wallet out of my back pocket and put it in the console or the passengers seat.

That's where this guy's wallet was. You'd have a cap in your ass if you were black.

 

[Rakehellion]

I'm sure this sort of thing happens all the time. I guess he didn't get the message that the dashcam should malfunction in these situations.

 

[Meghan54]

...traffic stops are risky...

But how risky are they, really? I'd wager the odds of a homicide of a police officer during a routine traffic stop (not a felonious pursuit/stop)are pretty darned low, like one in several million.

Assault, more frequently.

I'm not advocating lack of vigilance during routine traffic stops, but vigilance doesn't mean drawing your gun for darned near anything. That just sets up what happened......and was unnecessary in the least.

 

[SSSnail]

The real outrage here is who the fuck installed the camera to record vertically in a squad car?? That dumb ass should be shot.

 

[squarecut1]

Even as a white guy I explain EVERYTHING I am about to do for a cop that pulls me over. I don't want to end up dead from some guy that got C's in H.S.

You give power, guns and license to shoot to guys who aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the drawer, and this is the result.....

 

[TwiceOver]

You give power, guns and license to shoot to guys who aren't exactly the sharpest tools in the drawer, and this is the result.....

My local cop shop has an opening for patrol officer. The only requirement is HS Diploma or GED.

These are the same guys that want to spend a bunch of our money on tasers to avoid the 7 instances of injury during apprehension that happened last year. Of those 7, only 3 required any medical attention. So you're telling me, letting cops drop a subject at will is going to make instances of injury during apprehension go down? BS, you just want new toys.

 

[OutHouse]

hat being said, I would never ever move like that when dealing with cops (I'm white), it is a surefire way to get shot.

if you get shot for moving fast then i hope your family gets rich for the wrongful death lawsuit.