Copper thief shot dead

Nebor

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Garland Business owner's son kills suspected copper thief





Associated Press - July 10, 2008 6:55 PM ET

GARLAND, Texas (AP) - A man who reportedly carried tools that could be used to steal copper is dead after a Garland business owner's son -- shot him.

Garland police say 43-year-old Edward Preston Hickey died early today.

The 25-year-old son told police he shot Hickey after seeing him climb on top of his father's Bargain Town Variety & Furniture Store.

The business owner's son told police the store was having problems with copper thieves and a decision was made to guard the shop from its roof.

The Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports the dead man had assorted tools that could be used for stealing copper.

Police don't intend to file charges, but the case will be referred to a grand jury.

Another career criminal in the morgue. This is in my area. Copper thievery is plaguing the Dallas area. Thanks to the mass media attention that Joe Horn's case got, more people are now aware of their ability to lawfully use deadly force in defense of property.
 

fallout man

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Don't mess with Bargain Town!

Here, we've had people snatching up manhole covers, and even memorial plaques for the historic sites around the city. I wonder how profitable this really is...
 

Dari

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Weren't you talking about this on a personal level a couple of weeks ago? You said something about a neighbor telling you to kill the thieves that takes his copper from his shed. Are you being investigated?
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Dari
Weren't you talking about this on a personal level a couple of weeks ago? You said something about a neighbor telling you to kill the thieves that takes his copper from his shed. Are you being investigated?

Wasn't me. I'm not being investigated. And neither is the business owner in this case. Texas law requires a grand jury be convened for every homicide, but they will be presented with no evidence, and the DA and defense attorney will both argue against an indictment.
 

Nebor

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I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?
 

ProfJohn

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Well since he has the guy in the midst of the crime he should have called the cops and waited for them to show up.

I understand shooting someone who enters your house etc, but shooting someone who is of no danger to you is a little extreme.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: Nebor
http://www.kdbc.com/Global/sto...657347&nav=menu608_2_4

Garland Business owner's son kills suspected copper thief

Copper thievery is plaguing the Dallas area.

Copper thievery a plague.

Wow, that Texas culture's outstanding economic policies of opportunity for all are sure working well.

Kinda like their 'tough on crime to reduce crime' policies keeping them in the top 10 states for crime rates.

Oh, sorry, am I messing with Texas? I think I am, not that they can be helped much.
 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?

Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level.

 

Budmantom

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well since he has the guy in the midst of the crime he should have called the cops and waited for them to show up.

I understand shooting someone who enters your house etc, but shooting someone who is of no danger to you is a little extreme.


I call it being pro-active
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well since he has the guy in the midst of the crime he should have called the cops and waited for them to show up.

I understand shooting someone who enters your house etc, but shooting someone who is of no danger to you is a little extreme.

The police don't come. We're talking about the same city where 2 men were shot to death on the main road through town in the dead of night... and weren't found until a jogger came across them the next morning.

This guy has called the cops repeatedly, and they don't come. Are you telling me you'd sit idly by, watching someone steal $10,000 from you, which might be several months of hard earnings to you? Fuck that.

He might have come for the copper, but he left with lead.
 

UberNeuman

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Well since he has the guy in the midst of the crime he should have called the cops and waited for them to show up.

I understand shooting someone who enters your house etc, but shooting someone who is of no danger to you is a little extreme.

The police don't come. We're talking about the same city where 2 men were shot to death on the main road through town in the dead of night... and weren't found until a jogger came across them the next morning.

This guy has called the cops repeatedly, and they don't come. Are you telling me you'd sit idly by, watching someone steal $10,000 from you, which might be several months of hard earnings to you? Fuck that.

He might have come for the copper, but he left with lead.

 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Craig234
Originally posted by: Nebor
http://www.kdbc.com/Global/sto...657347&nav=menu608_2_4

Garland Business owner's son kills suspected copper thief

Copper thievery is plaguing the Dallas area.

Copper thievery a plague.

Wow, that Texas culture's outstanding economic policies of opportunity for all are sure working well.

Kinda like their 'tough on crime to reduce crime' policies keeping them in the top 10 states for crime rates.

Oh, sorry, am I messing with Texas? I think I am, not that they can be helped much.

When a copper shortage drives prices through the roof, the penalties for stealing it no longer act as a deterrent. This is a problem all over the country these days. Way to dodge the issue though.

I wonder how long it will be before Texas' economic policies kill me too?! HELP ME CRAIG, HAAALP!
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?

Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level.
Morons would say "Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level"

 

umbrella39

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Sweet. I hope these kinds of laws go national. There will be no more crime in no time. However, IMO, petty, non violent crooks will now start packing, too, to assure their own safety. Thieves who otherwise would never have armed themselves in the past. Until one of these stories gets posted here were the thief getting shot is armed, too, I think the jury is out on how effective these laws will be.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?

Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level.
Morons would say "Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level"

Did you see Craig's above post? It's exactly what he did. :laugh:
 

xochi

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This happens often in the DFW area. Is the parrot responsible for this one? I consider myself a liberal but i laughed.

Homeowner Kills burglar in Dallas

Homeowner kills burglar in Dallas

06:06 PM CDT on Tuesday, October 16, 2007
By KIMBERLY DURNAN / The Dallas Morning News
kdurnan@dallasnews.com


North of Love Field A Northwest Dallas homeowner shot and killed an intruder early Tuesday after being alerted by his pet parrot that someone was on the premises.

John Woodson, 46, was transported to Parkland Memorial Hospital, where he died, Dallas police Sgt. Larry Lewis said.

Police were called to the 3600 block of Cortez Drive around 3:30 a.m. The home, which also is used as a locksmith shop, had been burglarized four times this month, Sgt. Lewis said.

Dennis Baker, who keeps several pet birds in his home, said his Mexican Red-headed parrot, Salvador, says ?hello? whenever he sees someone. Someone passed by a window in his home and Salvador began saying, ?Hello, hello,? awakening Mr. Baker from a ?dead sleep.?

Mr. Baker approached Mr. Woodson in the detached garage and shot him with a handgun, police said. The 59-year-old homeowner said the garage door was off its hinges because he had not gotten around to fixing it.

Mr. Baker said police officers are doing their jobs, but are overworked and understaffed. ?I will protect my property and my life," he said.

When police officers arrived, Salvador began greeting them with ?hello,? Mr. Baker said.

?Sometimes he says ?hi,? but you can?t get him to speak on cue,? Mr. Baker said. ?He has a mind of his own.?

Police said they would turn the case over to a grand jury.

The case is one of several in recent weeks in which a home or business owner has shot an intruder.

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Video: Homeowner Dennis Baker, accompanied by his parrots, talks about shooting the intruder
A Ledbetter-area business owner fatally shot a suspected burglar on Sunday, the second time in three weeks that he has killed a prowler, police said.

Last month, a Mesquite business owner shot and wounded a suspected burglar after finding him with bolt cutters and copper cable taken from the building.

Musician Jeffrey Carter Albrecht was shot to death Sept. 3 after he tried to kick in a neighbor?s door during a drunken rage, police said. The neighbor reportedly thought Mr. Albrecht was a burglar and fired a pistol high through the back door as a warning, but struck the 6-foot-4 Mr. Albrecht in the head.

Earlier this year, Texas lawmakers approved the Castle Law, which removes any obligation for a crime victim to retreat before responding with deadly force when faced with an intruder in his or her home, vehicle or business.

Despite the new legislation, Sgt. Lewis said he would not describe the series of shootings as a trend, nor did he believe the law had empowered more people to shoot to kill. ?We get them over the year from time to time,? Sgt. Lewis said of intruder shootings.

Dallas police recorded more than 14,400 residential burglaries last year.

Mr. Baker said he installed a video surveillance system once his place began being burglarized repeatedly. Thieves already have taken $20,000 worth of locksmith equipment, saws and lawn gear.

?I got hit five times this month. I have tools in my garage, my house and my van,? Mr. Baker said. ?They were coming here like they owned the place. I hate what happened, but somebody has to do what?s necessary.?

"The fifth time is enough. It's not something you want to do, but you have to do."



 

Oceandevi

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?

Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level.
Morons would say "Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level"

It was a joke, and very funny.

Nebor you live in dallas? Ft worth is much nicer, less crime it seems.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?

Where do you get the "police don't even come out to investigate" part? I read the whole thing and did not see that anywhere?
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?

Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level.
Morons would say "Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level"

Did you see Craig's above post? It's exactly what he did. :laugh:
Actually I find him almost as big as fool as I do you and I usually don't read what he post like I don't read what you post unless it's in response to what i posted.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: umbrella39
Sweet. I hope these kinds of laws go national. There will be no more crime in no time. However, IMO, petty, non violent crooks will now start packing, too, to assure their own safety. Thieves who otherwise would never have armed themselves in the past. Until one of these stories gets posted here were the thief getting shot is armed, too, I think the jury is out on how effective these laws will be.

There will never be no crime. A certain number of people will always value the expected benefits of crime over the expected cost of the crime.

What happens with laws like this though, is that the cost of crime goes up (the cost is death * the probability of encountering an armed victim.) This does reduce crime, because it takes a large benefit to outweigh that cost.

So you're right, at a certain level of benefit, it becomes worthwhile for criminals to arm themselves (though this further increases costs due to greater punishments for carrying a firearm in the commission of a crime.) This is observed now in the case of banks. Bank robbers almost always carry guns.

But someone would have to be extraordinarily desperate to carry a gun in order to steal a wallet or a car, and I would argue that at that level of desperation, they would be unable to afford a gun.

Overall the effect will be less crime, more total armed people, and the occasional armed conflict.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?

Where do you get the "police don't even come out to investigate" part? I read the whole thing and did not see that anywhere?

Sorry, I've read numerous different copies of this story, and seen it on the local news.
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Budmantom
Originally posted by: Nebor
I'm curious as to what some of the more liberal members here think this fella should have done. I mean you're all clearly opposed to this kind of "vigilante" behavior. So he's getting ripped off for $10,000 every week or so, and the police don't even come out to investigate, instead they just take a report over the phone.

Should he have run for sheriff of Dallas County to change the face of law enforcement in the area? Or maybe Mayor of Garland? Surely climbing up on the roof with a gun is the last thing he should have done when his life wasn't in danger, right?

Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level.
Morons would say "Liberals would argue that it's wealth distribution at a grass roots level"

Did you see Craig's above post? It's exactly what he did. :laugh:
Actually I find him almost as big as fool as I do you and I usually don't read what he post like I don't read what you post unless it's in response to what i posted.

Oh come on, Craig actually takes himself seriously.
 
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