Cops arrest man filming police, shoot his dog.

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BUTCH1

Lifer
Jul 15, 2000
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It does that for videos that have a lot of views in a short space of time. The video has gone viral I'm sure.

Yea, I posted a comment on maybe they could have tazed or pepper-sprayed the dog instead of killing it, the comment was buried in less than 30 seconds.
 

Newbian

Lifer
Aug 24, 2008
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Kinda caused it? The dog's owner was being attacked. A good dog will try to do something about that.

I was saying they were in the right kinda because it did snap at them and the size of it but saw no reason to arrest the guy to begin with.
 

JackBurton

Lifer
Jul 18, 2000
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The dog owner wanted attention, well, he got it, and got his dog killed. Maybe next time he won't antagonize the police. He was looking to start shit and succeeded. Congratulations!
 

mooosh

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May 14, 2008
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Hopefully anon or someone will leak their names/addresses. It wouldn't do anything but make me smile to see those fat lazy fucks burned alive.

You sir, are no better than the officers that put down the dog. In fact, I’d argue that you’re much worse of a human being. Trust me, those officers did not want to go out of their way to shoot a dog in front of a crowd with camera phones. You’re one sick depraved individual to take pleasure out of wishing a lynch mob would burn two “fat lazy fucks” alive. There’s a special place in hell for people like you, if you believe in such a thing.


I hope he wins millions. He looks poor.

Where do you think those millions are going to come from? Obamabucks? No, the city tax payer.


While the video was tough to watch, its easy to see why the officers felt threatened by the dog. You just need to contain any dog loving or cop hating emotions. The dog did escape through the open window of the car and was aggressively barking and lunging at the officers. It may have been stupid, but one officer did try to grab the dog’s collar to try to contain it. They did not rush to draw their pistols. You can make an argument about using mace or a taser instead. But decisions like those are always easier to make sitting in a computer chair completely detached from the situation and potential threat.

Whether or not the officers were in the right to detain the individual is another story. Yes, it’s not against the law to take a video from a public sidewalk. On the other hand, the individual was pacing back & forth and went across the street awfully close to the crime scene and police cruisers. It probably did not help that he held his camera out in such a strange manner (almost like a gun, as bad as that anology may sound) and pointed it directly at the two officers for an extended period of time. I don’t see too many people hold cameras like that. It’s still not clear whether or not he may have mouthed something off as he was getting into his car. You have to almost applaud the officers for not aggressively throwing the individual to the ground to cuff him.

Judging by the number of police vehicles and swat humvee in the background, it looked like a fairly serious situation. Common sense would dictate that you stand atleast 25 feet back from the cruisers, whether or not there’s yellow tape up. I can see why they would have wanted to detain him temporarily, but would be crying foul if they tried charging him with anything.

I don't know how I ultimately feel on the dogs death. On one hand, the individual was more than likely detained for no good reason. This lead to the death of his dog. On the other hand, if he had his windows rolled up to the point where the dog could not get out, or exercised better judgement in filming, we wouldn't be talking about this either.
 

HamburgerBoy

Lifer
Apr 12, 2004
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On the other hand, if he had his windows rolled up to the point where the dog could not get out, or exercised better judgement in filming, we wouldn't be talking about this either.

Yeah, so the dog could be left inside for an hour while the fat pieces of shit do nothing and let it die from heat exposure. Great idea.

EDIT: Well tbh it seems to be near-dusk at the video so maybe it wouldn't have been a concern at that moment, assuming the cops would have given a black man the time to touch things inside his car that could potentially be weapons.
 

Arkaign

Lifer
Oct 27, 2006
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And people wonder why there are people like Dorner.

Yep. You know what the official and standard policy should be if you're an officer being filmed? Show them you're doing a good job by taking care of your business. And you know what? Most cops do exactly that. People like these give the force a bad name, which is a shame.
 

Newbian

Lifer
Aug 24, 2008
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Yeah, so the dog could be left inside for an hour while the fat pieces of shit do nothing and let it die from heat exposure. Great idea.

So you would rather the dog be let to run around on it's own to get hit by a car or attack people as it seemed a violent dog?

They could had called animal control or let the guy use his phone call and get the car picked up but if the guy had rolled up his window and left his dog in that would had been the best thing for it if he was alone.
 

BoberFett

Lifer
Oct 9, 1999
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Fucking pigs. Kill them and their families. Pieces of shit had no right to arrest that guy to begin with, then they kill his dog for protecting his owner.
 

ciba

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Apr 27, 2004
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While the video was tough to watch, its easy to see why the officers felt threatened by the dog. You just need to contain any dog loving or cop hating emotions. The dog did escape through the open window of the car and was aggressively barking and lunging at the officers. It may have been stupid, but one officer did try to grab the dog’s collar to try to contain it. They did not rush to draw their pistols. You can make an argument about using mace or a taser instead. But decisions like those are always easier to make sitting in a computer chair completely detached from the situation and potential threat.

Whether or not the officers were in the right to detain the individual is another story. Yes, it’s not against the law to take a video from a public sidewalk. On the other hand, the individual was pacing back & forth and went across the street awfully close to the crime scene and police cruisers. It probably did not help that he held his camera out in such a strange manner (almost like a gun, as bad as that anology may sound) and pointed it directly at the two officers for an extended period of time. I don’t see too many people hold cameras like that. It’s still not clear whether or not he may have mouthed something off as he was getting into his car. You have to almost applaud the officers for not aggressively throwing the individual to the ground to cuff him.

Judging by the number of police vehicles and swat humvee in the background, it looked like a fairly serious situation. Common sense would dictate that you stand atleast 25 feet back from the cruisers, whether or not there’s yellow tape up. I can see why they would have wanted to detain him temporarily, but would be crying foul if they tried charging him with anything.

1) Agree with respect to the dog - the officers didn't jump to shoot it, it got pretty aggressive.

2) Officers should be accustomed to being videotaped in this day and age. Especially in a public place.

3) There were several rows of cars. I'd agree with standing back from the first car, but from the THIRD!? If the situation isn't serious enough to shut down traffic on the other street, him standing on the sidewalk should be fine. Based on the video, there is zero cause to even detain him. He's doing something legal in a public place, behind the first point of police presence.

Police officers have a tough job - Mrs. Ciba worked for a department for five years. That said, they should be accountable for their actions. I think personal liability under some law similar to those that allow people/companies to file suit in anti-SLAPP actions seems appropriate. These types of unlawful detainment/arrests are becoming too common.
 

leeland

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Dec 12, 2000
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That is a terrible thing...I had a rottie just like that and they as most know are super protective of their owners...

My issue with this whole thing is why this guy puts himself in this situation. Does he need to be there...does he need to be involved...does he NEED to tape and make himself part of the situation?

If not then he has partial blame for his dogs death...small but he has some ownership in that.

The guys that shot the dog, Fuck them...I didn't see the dog bite anyone and for the most part was just trying to protect his owner.

Shitty situation all the way around...I put as much blame on the guy getting involved if he didn't need to as the cops. The only one who lost is the dog for doing his job.
 

Phoenix86

Lifer
May 21, 2003
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This situation sucks but really lets break things down instead of getting emotional.

1. Guy was detained. I didn't see anything that was cause for it and you can probably successfully argue he shouldn't have, but he was.

2. Guy does not secure his dog in the car when he sees the cops are going to talk to him (at least, probably detain). The windows were open enough for the animal to get out. You don't have to close the windows all the way to secured the animal. This is his fault no matter how you slice it and no matter what your feelings on 1 are.

3. Animal clearly threatens the police as it is being defensive towards it's owner. Many, many, many dogs will do this. The police have to do something about a large animal being aggressive. I think shooting it was extreme but not outside what I'd allow the police to do. They could have possibly tased it, but then what? Animal control isn't there to secure it. Shortly after the dog gets up from the tasing, it'll still be aggressive...

While you may disagree what the cops did to the animal (it's terribly sad) that doesn't mean it wasn't within what we'd allow them to do. They are allowed to use deadly force when they are threatened. If I charge a cop with a baseball bat, guess what happens to me? x.x

Blame the police for detaining the guy, I can't hear shit so who knows what provoked them. Blame the owner for not securing the dog. Seems like both parties are at fault here.
 

bradley

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Jan 9, 2000
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The dog was so aggressive, it first approaches the officers by sniffing the object just dropped in their proximity. Hello? Then it trotted over to an officer to sniff him, before backing off. The officer came at the dog with gun drawn. Obviously the dog perceives him as a threat and lunges. Really bad police work all-around here.
 
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natto fire

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Jan 4, 2000
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I'm guessing I don't have to guess that this happened in the US? Freaking power hungry cops. They're probably proud of what they did too, and will probably get a promotion for it.

I swear when I think you have posted the least intelligent thing on this board you always find a way to one up yourself.

I will now use your logic to reiterate my distaste for California. If you think police state thugs are only in America you really are as naive as you continually lead us to believe on these forums.
 

gevorg

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Nov 3, 2004
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bastards, they should have just released the owner temporarily to get the dog back in the car
 

lxskllr

No Lifer
Nov 30, 2004
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My issue with this whole thing is why this guy puts himself in this situation. Does he need to be there...does he need to be involved...does he NEED to tape and make himself part of the situation?

Free men don't require a reason for doing what they're doing. He had every right to be there, and if he said something to the cops, he had the right to that also.

Pisses me off when people blame the victim for "antagonizing cops". Cops are fuckin' employees of the citizenry, not a lion on the savanna, or a gator in a swamp you need to steer clear of, and avoid "antagonizing". If they can't control themselves, and enforce the law; most important of which is the Constitution, they should be stocking shelves at Walmart, or something else suitable to their temperament, and away from public interaction.
 
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