Cops like these give the rest a bad name

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Unless the video was edited in the middle, I don't think we're missing much. The cop offered the reporter the chance to drive away, and when the reporter finally said OK - and sounded like a little kid who got his ball taken away - the cop decided to arrest him anyway.

As for the "serve and protect" thing, well, the cop had to protect the integrity of the investigation. If there is a higher level of douchebaggery among cops than with other professions, maybe it's because of all the idiots running around screaming "SERVE & PROTECT".

If this weren't a media-related incident, I don't think the cop would even be on desk duty.

I doubt it. It's just publicized.

You must be a cop

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Unless the video was edited in the middle, I don't think we're missing much. The cop offered the reporter the chance to drive away, and when the reporter finally said OK - and sounded like a little kid who got his ball taken away - the cop decided to arrest him anyway.

As for the "serve and protect" thing, well, the cop had to protect the integrity of the investigation. If there is a higher level of douchebaggery among cops than with other professions, maybe it's because of all the idiots running around screaming "SERVE & PROTECT".

If this weren't a media-related incident, I don't think the cop would even be on desk duty.

I doubt it. It's just publicized.

You must be a cop

You must be Sherlock Holmes.

 

[RadiclDreamer]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Unless the video was edited in the middle, I don't think we're missing much. The cop offered the reporter the chance to drive away, and when the reporter finally said OK - and sounded like a little kid who got his ball taken away - the cop decided to arrest him anyway.

As for the "serve and protect" thing, well, the cop had to protect the integrity of the investigation. If there is a higher level of douchebaggery among cops than with other professions, maybe it's because of all the idiots running around screaming "SERVE & PROTECT".

If this weren't a media-related incident, I don't think the cop would even be on desk duty.

I doubt it. It's just publicized.

You must be a cop

You must be Sherlock Holmes.

I understand your stance, I dont like it when people give other IT guys shit, but in this case I think that cops response was entirely out of line. He could have handled the scene much better than he did. The badge does not in fact make you god.

Dont get me wrong, I dont mind cops as a whole, but guys like this are dicks and make the rest look bad.

if anything you should be making the argument against him as it shines a negative light in the entire profession.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: RadiclDreamer

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Unless the video was edited in the middle, I don't think we're missing much. The cop offered the reporter the chance to drive away, and when the reporter finally said OK - and sounded like a little kid who got his ball taken away - the cop decided to arrest him anyway.

As for the "serve and protect" thing, well, the cop had to protect the integrity of the investigation. If there is a higher level of douchebaggery among cops than with other professions, maybe it's because of all the idiots running around screaming "SERVE & PROTECT".

If this weren't a media-related incident, I don't think the cop would even be on desk duty.

I doubt it. It's just publicized.

You must be a cop

You must be Sherlock Holmes.

I understand your stance, I dont like it when people give other IT guys shit, but in this case I think that cops response was entirely out of line. He could have handled the scene much better than he did. The badge does not in fact make you god.

Dont get me wrong, I dont mind cops as a whole, but guys like this are dicks and make the rest look bad.

if anything you should be making the argument against him as it shines a negative light in the entire profession.

Whether it shines a negative light on the profession is dependent on each person's opinion of the situation. Having had experience with people who think they can run the show- when they have no authority whatsoever- I can't help but sympathize with the officer.

I'm not going to Monday-morning-quarterback him and say what he should or shouldn't have done. Could the situation have been resolved in a more politically correct fashion? Certainly- but how far do you go? They weren't too eager to leave until the cuffs came out. How much time do you suggest this officer have devoted to nicely reasoning with the reporters before he arrested them?

Plenty of people will probably disagree with me...but I have very little tolerance for people who think they can do whatever they want, whenever they want. I work for a town containing an ivy league college, so don't tell me I don't ever see it myself...

If you're told to GTFO, GTFO. Argue somewhere else - not on the side of the road. This is how it should have played out:

Ofc: "You guys have to leave."
Reporters: "Ok. *leaves*"

 

[Babbles]

I was watching this earlier on CNN and I thought the problem really lays with the reporter. Frankly the reporter started the entire problem; granted the police officer may have sort of been a jackass near the end but if the reporter didn't instigate shit - follow the officer's instruction, or not violate the law to begin with - then the result would have been different.

Edit:

It just dawned on me that the thread titlce could just as very well be titled "Reporters like these give the rest a bad name."

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Babbles
I was watching this earlier on CNN and I thought the problem really lays with the reporter. Frankly the reporter started the entire problem; granted the police officer may have sort of been a jackass near the end but if the reporter didn't instigate shit - follow the officer's instruction, or not violate the law to begin with - then the result would have been different.

Edit:

It just dawned on me that the thread titlce could just as very well be titled "Reporters like these give the rest a bad name."

It's nowhere near as fun to complain about reporters!

 

[PrelateBishop]

Originally posted by: EMPshockwave82
Need more tape from before this starts.

+1

We're essentially being asked to pass judgment on an event in which we have access to incomplete information. For all we know, the officer had asked the reporter 20 times previously to vacate the area and what we witnessed was request number 21 coupled with the reporter being a twit. The reporter's comments were the "straw that broke the camel's back" and the officer decided that Mr. Reporter then needed a trip to jail.

If the clip amounts to basically 100% of the encounter, then the officer came off as being a bit badge-heavy. However, for all I know I witnessed the reporter break a state law or local ordinance that I am not familiar with.

But again, that's the problem; we simply do not have access to complete information.

Man, I'm thinking there is no more complex occupation than law enforcement. It's the only job that I can think of where everyone believes they are either more informed or better prepared to perform said job. People love to criticize the police, but at the same token, simply aren't willing to work the job themselves.

 

[S Freud]

What I think a lot of people are failing to realize in this thread is that the reporter could have been breaking the law which earns him exactly what he got.

By getting in the officers way he is interfering, something that is illegal in some states. Like others have said we need to see what could be the whole tape. The reporter also wasn't so tough once the officer pulled the cuffs out, he was given a chance and chose to ignore that chance.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: JLee

If you're told to GTFO, GTFO. Argue somewhere else - not on the side of the road. This is how it should have played out:

Ofc: "You guys have to leave."
Reporters: "Ok. *leaves*"

Yea, we don't any any evidence of police misconduct or anything. Stifling the news is always the best approach. China learned that, and their now one of the world's greatest powers ;^)

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: JLee

If you're told to GTFO, GTFO. Argue somewhere else - not on the side of the road. This is how it should have played out:

Ofc: "You guys have to leave."
Reporters: "Ok. *leaves*"

Yea, we don't any any evidence of police misconduct or anything. Stifling the news is always the best approach. China learned that, and their now one of the world's greatest powers ;^)

...police misconduct?

What? How about you barge in on an investigation, try interrogating witnesses, and tell me how that works out for you.

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: JLee

...police misconduct?

What? How about you barge in on an investigation, try interrogating witnesses, and tell me how that works out for you.

That's right. Why else wouldn't you want news there to film events. What is it you're hiding? Anything can be said/done when there isn't a camera on you.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: JLee

...police misconduct?

What? How about you barge in on an investigation, try interrogating witnesses, and tell me how that works out for you.

That's right. Why else wouldn't you want news there to film events. What is it you're hiding? Anything can be said/done when there isn't a camera on you.

Good job not reading my post.

 

[lxskllr]

No one was barging in. The reporter was on the shoulder, filming events. He wanted to talk to someone, for some reason, and the cop flipped the fuck out. He's a piece of shit, plain and simple.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
No one was barging in. The reporter was on the shoulder, filming events. He wanted to talk to someone, for some reason, and the cop flipped the fuck out. He's a piece of shit, plain and simple.

Maybe you should look into who has control over accident scenes.

Hint: It's not the local news.

If they had wanted to film from outside the scene, do you really think it would have been a problem? I don't.

644:2 Disorderly Conduct. ? A person is guilty of disorderly conduct if:
I. He knowingly or purposely creates a condition which is hazardous to himself or another in a public place by any action which serves no legitimate purpose; or
II. He or she:
(c) Obstructs vehicular or pedestrian traffic on any public street or sidewalk or the entrance to any public building; or
(d) Engages in conduct in a public place which substantially interferes with a criminal investigation, a firefighting operation to which RSA 154:17 is applicable, the provision of emergency medical treatment, or the provision of other emergency services when traffic or pedestrian management is required; or
(e) Knowingly refuses to comply with a lawful order of a peace officer to move from or remain away from any public place; or

Pick one.

 

[lxskllr]

There wasn't any reason the reporter shouldn't have been where he he was. The cop wasn't even on that side of the road. He crossed the median to exert force on the reporter.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: lxskllr
There wasn't any reason the reporter shouldn't have been where he he was. The cop wasn't even on that side of the road. He crossed the median to exert force on the reporter.

Come back when you can write a paragraph without a blatant lie.

 

[slayer202]

No use arguing with the people who feel like the cop did no wrong. Almost humorous...

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: slayer202
No use arguing with the people who feel like the cop did no wrong. Almost humorous...

I could say the same to those who feel that the reporter did no wrong.

Unless, of course, you can prove to me that what the reporter was doing was entirely legal?

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: lxskllr
There wasn't any reason the reporter shouldn't have been where he he was. The cop wasn't even on that side of the road. He crossed the median to exert force on the reporter.

Come back when you can write a paragraph without a blatant lie.

What part isn't factual? Anyone with eyes can see what happened in the video.

 

[slayer202]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: slayer202
No use arguing with the people who feel like the cop did no wrong. Almost humorous...

I could say the same to those who feel that the reporter did no wrong.

Unless, of course, you can prove to me that what the reporter was doing was entirely legal?

what did he do that made him deserve to be arrested? Don't say the video was edited. The reporter and camerman were walking away and the officer had no problem. No, he didn't get right in his car and drive away, but was that SO bad?

The whole "If a cop tells you to do something, do it" argument is the worst. If some random person on the street tells me to do something, I'm not gonna do it. No different if its a cop, unless I'm doing something wrong. Especially if its some guy that probably didn't go to college, maybe finished high school, and has a power trip.

The reporter, and especially the cameraman were not causing any trouble once they were near the truck. Didn't look like they were holding up traffic or anything either.

 

[novasatori]

seems fine to me

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: lxskllr
There wasn't any reason the reporter shouldn't have been where he he was. The cop wasn't even on that side of the road. He crossed the median to exert force on the reporter.

Come back when you can write a paragraph without a blatant lie.

What part isn't factual? Anyone with eyes can see what happened in the video.

1) You have no idea whether or not he should or should not have been there. The fact that he was arrested leads me to believe there was reason he should have left.

2) He crossed the fence to order them to leave, not "to exert force".

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: slayer202
No use arguing with the people who feel like the cop did no wrong. Almost humorous...

I could say the same to those who feel that the reporter did no wrong.

Unless, of course, you can prove to me that what the reporter was doing was entirely legal?

what did he do that made him deserve to be arrested? Don't say the video was edited. The reporter and camerman were walking away and the officer had no problem. No, he didn't get right in his car and drive away, but was that SO bad?

The whole "If a cop tells you to do something, do it" argument is the worst. If some random person on the street tells me to do something, I'm not gonna do it. No different if its a cop, unless I'm doing something wrong. Especially if its some guy that probably didn't go to college, maybe finished high school, and has a power trip.

The reporter, and especially the cameraman were not causing any trouble once they were near the truck. Didn't look like they were holding up traffic or anything either.

1) How many times was he told to leave?

2) I have never said the video was edited. The video is probably incomplete.

3) The cameraman was walking away? Really? Looked to me like the cameraman was staying right there, filming everything, and didn't leave on his own accord. Whether it is "SO bad" or not is apparently a matter of opinion, because certain people here think that they can do whatever they damn well please.

4) Your ignorance is astounding and your anti-cop bias is quite apparent. Many departments require at least a two year degree, and I haven't heard of any that will hire without the equivalent of a high school education.

5) Ah, so if a cruiser tries to stop you and you don't think you're doing anything wrong, you're not going to stop? Yeah, that's a good idea.

6) Once they were near the truck...how long did that take?

Do you honestly think the officer went over the fence because they didn't attract his attention somehow?

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: slayer202
No use arguing with the people who feel like the cop did no wrong. Almost humorous...

I could say the same to those who feel that the reporter did no wrong.

Unless, of course, you can prove to me that what the reporter was doing was entirely legal?

"guilty until proven innocent".

...

anyways, i think that if the officer felt that the reporter had broken any local ordinances and wanted him to leave for that (not serious enough to merit an arrest), then he would have informed him. it would have probably happened on the filmed segment. (that's a rather long segment, and even if it had been stated before, it probably would have been stated again.)

the officer was being a dick. that much is clear to me. the local news saw an accident scene, and felt the need to interview onlookers. it's not a murder investigation... this is the kind of shit local news does. i dont think they fucked up... at least not from what i can tell in the vid.

 

[Fayd]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: lxskllr

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: lxskllr
There wasn't any reason the reporter shouldn't have been where he he was. The cop wasn't even on that side of the road. He crossed the median to exert force on the reporter.

Come back when you can write a paragraph without a blatant lie.

What part isn't factual? Anyone with eyes can see what happened in the video.

1) You have no idea whether or not he should or should not have been there. The fact that he was arrested leads me to believe there was reason he should have left.

2) He crossed the fence to order them to leave, not "to exert force".

Originally posted by: slayer202

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: slayer202
No use arguing with the people who feel like the cop did no wrong. Almost humorous...

I could say the same to those who feel that the reporter did no wrong.

Unless, of course, you can prove to me that what the reporter was doing was entirely legal?

what did he do that made him deserve to be arrested? Don't say the video was edited. The reporter and camerman were walking away and the officer had no problem. No, he didn't get right in his car and drive away, but was that SO bad?

The whole "If a cop tells you to do something, do it" argument is the worst. If some random person on the street tells me to do something, I'm not gonna do it. No different if its a cop, unless I'm doing something wrong. Especially if its some guy that probably didn't go to college, maybe finished high school, and has a power trip.

The reporter, and especially the cameraman were not causing any trouble once they were near the truck. Didn't look like they were holding up traffic or anything either.

1) How many times was he told to leave?

2) I have never said the video was edited. The video is probably incomplete.

3) The cameraman was walking away? Really? Looked to me like the cameraman was staying right there, filming everything, and didn't leave on his own accord. Whether it is "SO bad" or not is apparently a matter of opinion, because certain people here think that they can do whatever they damn well please.

4) Your ignorance is astounding and your anti-cop bias is quite apparent. Many departments require at least a two year degree, and I haven't heard of any that will hire without the equivalent of a high school education.

5) Ah, so if a cruiser tries to stop you and you don't think you're doing anything wrong, you're not going to stop? Yeah, that's a good idea.

6) Once they were near the truck...how long did that take?

Do you honestly think the officer went over the fence because they didn't attract his attention somehow?

were i the reporter and/or the cameraman, given what i've seen there, i probably wouldnt have left either.

the news agency will bail me out, and provide defense in case the state actually brings charges (yeah right..)

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: Fayd

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: slayer202
No use arguing with the people who feel like the cop did no wrong. Almost humorous...

I could say the same to those who feel that the reporter did no wrong.

Unless, of course, you can prove to me that what the reporter was doing was entirely legal?

"guilty until proven innocent".

...

anyways, i think that if the officer felt that the reporter had broken any local ordinances and wanted him to leave for that (not serious enough to merit an arrest), then he would have informed him. it would have probably happened on the filmed segment. (that's a rather long segment, and even if it had been stated before, it probably would have been stated again.)

the officer was being a dick. that much is clear to me. the local news saw an accident scene, and felt the need to interview onlookers. it's not a murder investigation... this is the kind of shit local news does. i dont think they fucked up... at least not from what i can tell in the vid.

Uh...police officers don't follow the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' bit. That's for the courts. If I believed everybody was innocent, how exactly am I supposed to arrest someone?

Sure, the officer may have been a dick. So was the reporter.