Cops mistake water nozzle for gun...

Ns1

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BS: Cops never ordered the guy to do ANYTHING

Police chief response: You are responsible for your actions
 

pcgeek11

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You shouldn't point objects at the police. They do not know who you are or what your intentions are.
 

marvdmartian

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Loved this quote:
"They didn't say 'Put your hands up' or 'Freeze' or anything," Zerby's sister, Eden Marie Biele told The Associated Press Monday. "He was killed in cold blood."

Honey, if I'm a cop, answering a call for a suspected weapon holder sitting out in public (basically, brandishing what someone thought was a pistol), and you suddenly point it at me, you are going to die of lead poisoning.....AFTER which, I will be happy to yell "FREEZE!", if it makes you feel better.

Cops have a hard enough time of it, without some drunken asshole pointing anything that vaguely looks like a firearm at them.
 

Ns1

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You shouldn't point objects at the police. They do not know who you are or what your intentions are.

You shouldn't shoot at everyone who points something at you.


imma start calling the cops and reporting that everyone holding something black is brandishing a weapon. they are clearly dangerous people and should be responsible for their actions.
 

CRXican

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You shouldn't shoot at everyone who points something at you.


imma start calling the cops and reporting that everyone holding something black is brandishing a weapon. they are clearly dangerous people and should be responsible for their actions.

And they don't.

You can't say shit till you've been there.
 

pcgeek11

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You shouldn't shoot at everyone who points something at you.


imma start calling the cops and reporting that everyone holding something black is brandishing a weapon. they are clearly dangerous people and should be responsible for their actions.

" after two people reported a man with a gun sitting on a backyard porch landing, according to authorities. "

"who appeared intoxicated, and believed he had a "tiny six-shooter" as described by a male caller. "

"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."

I would have shot that fucker too.
 

Ns1

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" after two people reported a man with a gun sitting on a backyard porch landing, according to authorities. "

"who appeared intoxicated, and believed he had a "tiny six-shooter" as described by a male caller. "

"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."

I would have shot that fucker too.

that's why you're a piece of shit, shooting an unarmed drunk man.

Conjure up all the hypotheticals you want, the reality is the LBPD shot an unarmed drunk man chilling on the porch without so much as saying a goddamn word.


I'll rescind ALL of these comments if it comes out that the PD identified themselves AND told the guy to drop the weapon or put his hands up.
 

CanOWorms

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Hopefully the police officers will be investigated. Police officers need to exercise more caution when using any sort of weapon.
 

pcgeek11

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that's why you're a piece of shit, shooting an unarmed drunk man.

Conjure up all the hypotheticals you want, the reality is the LBPD shot an unarmed drunk man chilling on the porch without so much as saying a goddamn word.

If you enter a store and make them think you have a weapon and are robbing them it is Armed Robbery. Regardless of the fact that you are unarmed.

If you point a garden hose nozzle at the police as if it were a weapon and they were advised that you were armed then they have a duty to protect themselves and the public.

What if they had waited a second and it was a gun?

A bigger question is:
Why would you point a garden hose nozzle at the police as if it were a weapon?

Stupid should be painful.

You said:
I'll rescind ALL of these comments if it comes out that the PD identified themselves AND told the guy to drop the weapon or put his hands up.

There isn't always time. He pointed it as if it were a weapon, how long does it take for him to pull the trigger? Why would they have to ID themselves? Any half wit can ID a police officer on sight.
 
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Ns1

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A bigger question is:
Why would you point a garden hose nozzle at the police as if it were a weapon?

How do you know they're police? It's fucking dark and they don't ID themselves. Feel free to prove me wrong on this point cuz I will agree he's a stupid fucking wise and beautiful woman IF the police ID themselves. Otherwise its' a buncha fucking armed thugs running up to you in the fucking dark.

Finally, all these whatifs won't change the fact that it's an unarmed drunk guy chilling on the porch with a garden hose nozzle.
 

Ns1

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here you go

Long Beach’s police chief has admitted that his officers never identified themselves before they shot and killed a man Sunday. The victim was sitting on a friend’s front porch.

The police chief said two officers opened fire on 35-year-old Douglas Zerby after they thought he pointed a gun at them. Zerby had been holding a water nozzle with a pistol grip.

Chief Jim McDonnell said police showed up at a Belmont Shore apartment after neighbors reported that a man with a gun was sitting on a front porch. It was about 5 o’clock Sunday afternoon.

Before backup arrived, the chief said, Zerby used a two-handed grip on the water nozzle and fully extended his arms toward one of the officers. It’s unclear whether he knew the officer was there.

McDonnell didn’t say why officers failed to identify themselves and tell him to drop the object. He said Zerby appeared to be intoxicated.

Zerby’s sister showed up at the chief’s press conference. She said her brother at least deserved to be told to put his hands up.

Zerby’s father told the Long Beach Press telegram that police “murdered” his son. Douglas Zerby was the father of a 7-year-old child.

So basically the guy pointed his hose nozzle at 2 random people and got shot 8 times for it.
 

CRXican

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Hopefully the police officers will be investigated. Police officers need to exercise more caution when using any sort of weapon.

Guess what asshat? Every officer involved shooting is investigated.

The officers would much rather not have to shoot this kind of idiot, trust me.
 

pcgeek11

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here you go



So basically the guy pointed his hose nozzle at 2 random people and got shot 8 times for it.

No. He brandished a Garden Hose Nozzle as if it were a gun at two police officers and got shot 8 times for it.

There you go.
 

Amused

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here you go



So basically the guy pointed his hose nozzle at 2 random people and got shot 8 times for it.

No, he pointed a gun shaped object at two UNIFORMED POLICE OFFICERS.

So let me get this straight...

You're a cop, and some guy points what looks like a gun at you. If it is a gun, he can kill you in an instant. So what do you do? Shoot first to protect your life? Or identify yourself and tell the guy to drop it?

One saves your life, the other gives your life away.

Your choice.
 

SandEagle

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gonna be a big thread.

let's bring gun control into this to spice things up and make it even bigger. i blame those right-wing tree-hugging commie Repubs for not tightening down on gun control. we need guns off the street now!!!! this wouldn't have happened if the officers had no guns.
 

SKORPI0

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Interesting article... Sadly this is not the last time it will ever happen.

Deadly force: Rethinking the police rules of engagement

Suppose local law enforcement officers were required to operate under similarly restrictive rules of engagement. Such rules would dramatically reduce the authority to use deadly force now extended to Portland's police officers. Currently, officers are allowed to use deadly force regardless of whether they see a weapon, so long as they reasonably believe they are "in danger of death or serious bodily injury." How different would things be under a more restrictive rule?

The first thing to keep in mind is that the authority officers have under current rules is rarely exploited by them in the field. In the vast majority of situations in which an officer could use deadly force, it isn't used.
This is true even for situations in which a weapon is displayed. Many officers have faced a weapon; few have chosen to use deadly force in response. But those aren't the situations that make news.

If we limit our discussion to the rare cases in which officers have used deadly force, and then take the further step of removing the observed-weapon cases, we are left with the few cases that would be affected by a reduction in the authority given to officers.
Looking back across the years at such no-observed-weapon cases, it's hard to find one in which a decision not to use deadly force would have resulted in an officer's injury or death.

Currently, the decision to use deadly force is left to an individual officer, and the evidence is that those decisions are being made, for the most part, in a satisfactory way. Nonetheless, when hindsight reveals that a decision to use deadly force caused an unnecessary civilian death, it has a corrosive effect on the ability of law enforcement to do its job.


Given the context within which officers make decisions about the use of deadly force,
there is no policy that will avoid all unfortunate outcomes. But just as war is too important to leave to the military, law enforcement is too important to leave to the police. There needs to be a community-wide discussion of the appropriate allocation of the risk of injury or death between officers and those they confront. It may be that a change in the rules of engagement would reduce the risk of civilian casualties without increasing the risks faced by law enforcement.

As it stands, any one of us, faced with a disturbed, out-of-control family member, might hesitate to call the police for fear of making the situation worse instead of better. That has to change. But improvements in training, communications, supervision, discipline or civilian oversight, while all desirable, won't get at the root of problem. Both the community and the officers deserve a clearer set of rules regarding the use of force. The difficult task we all share is the creation of a setting within which those rules of engagement can be discussed.
 
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