Cops mistake water nozzle for gun...

[Narmer]

Stupid cops. I hope they kill themselves over the guilt of killing an innocent man.

 

[Ns1]

I don't know, it's fucking dark if you're going to kill someone at least have the goddamn decency to identify yourselves. You know cops wear dark uniforms right?


Since were bringing what ifs into the situation what if it was a blind guy chilling on the porch?

 

[shortylickens]

Stupid cops. I hope they kill themselves over the guilt of killing an innocent man.

And Narmer COMES THROUGH!!!
:awe:

 

[SKORPI0]

me thinks a pair of binoculars should be standard issue in a cop car now

Or common sense, they had the time to make observations and make a judgement for their actions.

 

[Amused]

I don't know, it's fucking dark if you're going to kill someone at least have the goddamn decency to identify yourselves. You know cops wear dark uniforms right?

Again, you're not thinking.

A guy has what you have every right to believe is a gun at the scene of a call AND IS POINTING IT AT YOU. Why on earth would you give him a chance to shoot you first? Or do you think cops are disposable?

two people reported a man with a gun sitting on a backyard porch landing

Zerby reportedly pointed the black metal-tipped nozzle at one of the officers, and two officers fired a handgun and a shotgun

"As the subject was in a seated position, he used a two-handed pistol-grip hold on an object with his arms fully extended," McDonnell said. "Somebody that is impaired and waving what appears to witnesses and police to be a handgun. That's what the officers were faced with."

 

[BudAshes]

Again, you're not thinking.

A guy has what you have every right to believe is a gun at the scene of a call. Why on earth would you give him a chance to shoot you first? Or do you think cops are disposable?

In the lbc? they pretty much are. My brother lived there for a while and the cops there are fucking ridiculous. It's like the special class where they send all the special cops.

 

[pcgeek11]

Stupid cops. I hope they kill themselves over the guilt of killing an innocent man.

Stupid man with a garden hose... It works both ways.

 

[CanOWorms]

Guess what asshat? Every officer involved shooting is investigated.

The officers would much rather not have to shoot this kind of idiot, trust me.

Lots of people feel that way after committing a horrible act. That shouldn't absolve them of their horrific behavior. If they need to go to prison, then they go to prison despite how they feel.

 

[MartyMcFly3]

Oh look... Another anti-cop/"all cops are dbags" thread on ATOT.

 

[darkxshade]

Why can't we just say this is a case of stupid cops meet stupid man?

 

[erikistired]

that's why you're a piece of shit, shooting an unarmed drunk man.

Conjure up all the hypotheticals you want, the reality is the LBPD shot an unarmed drunk man chilling on the porch without so much as saying a goddamn word.


I'll rescind ALL of these comments if it comes out that the PD identified themselves AND told the guy to drop the weapon or put his hands up.

DON'T BE STUPID. it's really that easy. it's like people who push cops at clubs. stupid stupid stupid. you don't point things that resemble firearms at ANYONE. especially ARMED POLICE.

shoot enough people and maybe some common sense will creep back into society.

 

[Ns1]

Again, you're not thinking.

A guy has what you have every right to believe is a gun at the scene of a call AND IS POINTING IT AT YOU. Why on earth would you give him a chance to shoot you first? Or do you think cops are disposable?

Because sometimes it's just a drunk guy chilling on the porch with a hose nozzle waiting for a friend

 

[BudAshes]

Why can't we just say this is a case of stupid cops meet stupid man?

truth

 

[erikistired]

Because sometimes it's just a drunk guy chilling on the porch with a hose nozzle waiting for a friend

i'm going to err on the side of caution every single time in that situation.

 

[Ns1]

DON'T BE STUPID. it's really that easy. it's like people who push cops at clubs. stupid stupid stupid. you don't point things that resemble firearms at ANYONE. especially ARMED POLICE.

shoot enough people and maybe some common sense will creep back into society.

They never id'd themselves as such. As far s I'm concerned the guy pointed a hose nozzle at 2 guys wearing dark clothing (in the dark) and got shot 8 times for it

 

[erikistired]

They never id'd themselves as such. As far s I'm concerned the guy pointed a hose nozzle at 2 guys wearing dark clothing and got shot 8 times for it

were you there? did you see video of the incident?

why would you point something that resembled a gun at ANYONE? EVER? unless your intention was to shoot them?

 

[SandEagle]

"Biele was outraged by the officers' actions and the inconsistencies in the account. She said police first told her that her brother had been fiddling with the nozzle in his lap, then police Chief Jim McDonnell said Zerby was actually pointing it at the officers."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-long-beach-shooting-20101214,0,2734214.story

maybe, just maybe, he wasn't pointing that damn thing at all

 

[erikistired]

"Biele was outraged by the officers' actions and the inconsistencies in the account. She said police first told her that her brother had been fiddling with the nozzle in his lap, then police Chief Jim McDonnell said Zerby was actually pointing it at the officers."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-long-beach-shooting-20101214,0,2734214.story

maybe, just maybe, he wasn't pointing that damn thing at all

<edit>or maybe they walked up, told them who they were, and he decided to point it at them.</edit> apparently the cops admit they didn't have a chance to id themselves. i retract this part.

what do you think the sister is going to say? she might be giving incorrect details herself, and not even realize it. people don't always remember things in high stress situations.

if you show me a record of these cops shooting people all the time for no reason, i'll believe it was malicious. otherwise, it's a case of stupid drunk guy gets himself shot, being stupid.

"Our brother was killed for no reason," she said. "We're outraged. You can't get drunk in the city of Long Beach and not get shot? You're trying to do the responsible thing and not drive and you get shot? Is that standard protocol? They didn't wait for backup, they just shot him."

no, he was shot for pointing an object that looked like a gun at police officers. and i'm sure a lot of people get drunk every day in long beach without getting shot, but they don't point things that look like guns at police officers. and yes, i'm sure it is standard protocol to shoot someone who appears to be pointing a gun at them.

Staci Liken, 45, said she saw a police car and a Long Beach Marine Patrol SUV make a U-turn before two officers got out and made their way to the back building where Zerby was sitting. She said within 30 seconds she heard two types of gunshots. She counted at least 15 shots fired.

15 shots? really? he didn't even die at the scene. unless they were going at it gunslinger style, i can't imagine they shot and/or missed that much.

it's tragic. it really is. it was senseless. but you can't ask the police to put their lives on the line for you, and then condemn them for protecting themselves.

 

[Narmer]

Stupid man with a garden hose... It works both ways.

It's a FUCKING garden hose he was holding. It's not his fault for its design. Police should have identified themselves. They don't have bullhorns to speak to the person when they're out of sight? Aren't they supposed to go there and confirm what is going on and not just listen to what civilians have to say?

 

[Ns1]

I 100&#37; agree pointing a gun like object at police is a stupid fucking thing to do and warrants lethal force

My outrage lies in the fact that the police never id'd themselves as such so how could a drunk mother fucker know NOT to point it at them since they did not establish themselves as police

 

[Ns1]

were you there? did you see video of the incident?

why would you point something that resembled a gun at ANYONE? EVER? unless your intention was to shoot them?

I don't know, drunk and bored and the only thing you have around you is the nozzle to a garden hose?

 

[erikistired]

I don't know, drunk and bored and the only thing you have around you is the nozzle to a garden hose?

quite honestly, if you are drunk, bored and pointing an object resembling a gun at people and pretending to shoot them, why would you NOT think someone is going to think you have a gun?

 

[ussfletcher]

Although the cops made a judgment error, I propose we make these assumptions and hold our haste judgment of the cops (and I don't like cops either, but this is about as legit a shooting for them ever gets):
1. if this guy sobered up and could look back on his actions he would say "geeze I'm a drunken moron"
2. These cops probably feel horribly guilty, from the story they were legitimately scared and thought they were acting in the best interest of the community.
3. If you were armed and saw the guy next door with something that looked like a pistol and then he proceeded to point it at you in a manner suggesting it was a pistol, you would probably shoot him too. I know I would.

 

[Eli]

They shot him 8 times?

LOL....

That is just utterly ridiculous. I understand the circumstances, but 8 times? Really?

That's pretty disgusting, overall.

 

[surfsatwerk]

And this is why cops are trained to sprinkle crack all over the body.