Cops mistake water nozzle for gun...

[TallBill]

My friend Alexandra was shot to death by a cop much in the same way.

Except she pointed a gun at them. Either way, not smart.

 

[NetGuySC]

The moral of this story is to not point gun shaped objects at the police.

Police were justified...

 

[erikistired]

My friend Alexandra was shot to death by a cop much in the same way.

not even close to the same way.

 

[Skitzer]

The moral of this story is to not point gun shaped objects at the police.

Police were justified...

/thread

 

[sdifox]

I was under the assumption that the Police are issued "binoculars" to verify that a gun/weapon is present in situations like this. :\ Aren't they standard issue?

lulz, that would be the tactical squad. Regular police don't have funding nor time to use binoculars.

 

[sdifox]

Total lack of professionalism. It was not a combat situation. Cops get paid the big bucks, as opposed to grunts, because they are 'Police' who are trained in observation, weapon recognition and, civil rights. Is being a cop just as dangerous as being a soldier? Yes, of course it is at times. The difference is police have greater training and greater responsibility for public safety.

It's a much harder job. As a soldier you shoot, you don't even ask questions.

 

[sourceninja]

Interesting article... Sadly this is not the last time it will ever happen.

Deadly force: Rethinking the police rules of engagement

That article is a bunch of monday morning quarterbacking. Sure in cases where cops felt their lives were in danger and they really weren't they would be hard pressed to show that the cop would be injured.

The fact is they are not there. I think it is silly to say the cop doesn't have a duty to protect himself first and formost. Now in regards to this case, it does sound like they didn't handle it properly, but if they guy did just use a pistol style grip and point a 'gun shaped object' at them I can fully support them shooting him. However, I fail to see how you can't yell "Drop it" while pulling and shooting your gun. Swat agents are trained to yell "Gun" while shooting the man with the gun.

 

[DrunkenSano]

I love how some ATOT posters have the amazing superpower of hindsight, where in every situation they know how a situation will end and all the information while expecting everyone else who lives in reality to be the same way. I rather have the police officers protect themselves and innocents who could be imminent danger by shooting instead of calling out a warning and waiting for a response of gunfire before opening fire themselves. In the end, the fault lies with the drunken idiot. Don't do something stupid and you won't put yourself in a bad and possibly tragic situation.

 

[surfsatwerk]

 

[alkemyst]

You shouldn't point objects at the police. They do not know who you are or what your intentions are.

I like how everyone is so sure he actually knew he was pointing that at a police officer.

It's fucking funny how you tools will defend anything no matter how wrong it is.

 

[shortylickens]

I like how everyone is so sure he actually knew he was pointing that at a police officer.

It's fucking funny how you tools will defend anything no matter how wrong it is.

Quoted for later lulz.

 

[Ns1]

Quoted for later lulz.

Dark? Check
Dark Uniforms? Check
Failure to identify? Check
Drunk man? Check

 

[Saint Nick]

that's what you get

When you let your heart win.

 

[BudAshes]

Here's a good cop story about the lbc. One of my brothers friends pissed off some Mexicans at a party. He and his friend get in a scuffle and then flee when they see that a gang of 5 guys is getting rounded up to kick their asses. These guys have baseball bats and are chasing them so they pull out their cell phones and call the cops while they are booking it down the street panicked. The mexicans get in a car and start following them down the street. The police ask them where they are and come to the street they are on. When the mexicans here the sirens they make a u turn and book it. When the cops pull up they ask for a description and then leave these dudes to wait where they are with 1 officer. A few other cop cars go and litterally round up every mexican in the area and bring them over and ask them to point out who was chasing them. They point the guys out, the cops tell everyone else they can leave and then they tell the 2 dudes no need to press charges. They then beat the living shit out of the 5 mexicans.

Whether they deserved it or not that is not exactly professional in anyway. Accidents happen when you operate like hits.

 

[FDF12389]

Dark? Check
Dark Uniforms? Check
Failure to identify? Check
Drunk man? Check

Drove past house with Red and Blue lights on. Check
Made a U turn in front of house with lights on. Check
Got out of car with guns drawn and flashlights. Check


You're right. If it weren't for the dark uniforms... If only they told him they were the police...

No hose attached. Suicide by cop, or just drunken idiot. End of story.

Edit, watch all the news videos, one of the witnesses say the police lights were on when they responded.

 

[Ns1]

Drove past house with Red and Blue lights on. Check
Made a U turn in front of house with lights on. Check
Got out of car with guns drawn and flashlights. Check

Yep, that sure does a lot of good when the guy is in the back of the house.

So now what you're telling me is 2 dark thugs came up to him with guns drawn and didn't ID themselves.

 

[FDF12389]

Yep, that sure does a lot of good when the guy is in the back of the house.

So now what you're telling me is 2 dark thugs came up to him with guns drawn and didn't ID themselves.

He would have seen the lights even from the back of the house. I see a few glimpses of red and blue when I'm in my basement, when cops drive two streets down.

Even if he didn't, why was he holding a hose nozzle with no hose? Why did he point it at them? Don't you think the radios, flashlight, etc might have given a clue?

He might have been trying to scare his buddy when he came home, who knows. Possible suicide. Possible he was just hammered. Either way, these cops did nothing wrong.

 

[Ns1]

He would have seen the lights even from the back of the house. I see a few glimpses of red and blue when I'm in my basement, when cops drive two streets down.

So you saw a cop car driving past your house, does that mean the 2 dark clothing wearing thugs walking up to you are cops? As you said, they could just be driving 2 streets down.

If the cops rolled up RIGHT TO HIS DOORSTEP I'd be singing a different tune.

 

[rivan]

Yep, that sure does a lot of good when the guy is in the back of the house.

So now what you're telling me is 2 dark thugs came up to him with guns drawn and didn't ID themselves.

You're probably right. Cops should always err on the side of public safety, no matter how many (more) die in the line of duty protecting your sorry, unappreciative, unempathetic ass.

I think you should drop whatever it is you do for a living and become a cop, then come and tell us how easy it is to distinguish between a water nozzle and a gun, in the hands of a drunk, in a back yard that you keep telling us is pitch black.

Sometimes, mistakes happen. Even when they're tragic mistakes, they're still just mistakes.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Yep, that sure does a lot of good when the guy is in the back of the house.

So now what you're telling me is 2 dark thugs came up to him with guns drawn and didn't ID themselves.

Since you love playing the hypothetical game, let's imagine the 'drunk guy' was actually armed with a real gun. Cops round the corner and the guy sees them, armed person raises guns at the cops. Instead of shooting, the cops try to identify themselves and verbally try to get the man to drop his weapon, the man while the cops were shouting pulls the trigger, killing one or maybe both cops.

That is a much better scenario, yep.

 

[thraashman]

You're probably right. Cops should always err on the side of public safety, no matter how many (more) die in the line of duty protecting your sorry, unappreciative, unempathetic ass.

I think you should drop whatever it is you do for a living and become a cop, then come and tell us how easy it is to distinguish between a water nozzle and a gun, in the hands of a drunk, in a back yard that you keep telling us is pitch black.

Sometimes, mistakes happen. Even when they're tragic mistakes, they're still just mistakes.

Mistakes happen, but they happen more often when people are reckless. Technically, this guy was being the opposite of reckless. He had too much to drink so instead of driving, he stumbled to a buddy's place and waited on the porch for him to get home. He was playing around with a garden hose nossle. Being goofy he was fake-spraying things with the hose. Cops, who from all indication didn't identify themselves as cops, didn't tell him to drop the "weapon", and likely didn't even indicate they were there, opened fire on an unarmed man. From the reports, they had time to call for backup, they had time to observe him. It was dark, cops dress in dark uniforms. How do we even know he noticed they were there? I'm not anti-police at all. But this was reckless behavior from officers who failed to do their due diligence before gunning down an innocent and unarmed man.

In the civilian world, we call that murder.

 

[Ns1]

Since you love playing the hypothetical .

See post #9

Conjure up all the hypotheticals you want, the reality is the LBPD shot an unarmed drunk man chilling on the porch without so much as saying a goddamn word.

 

[Ns1]

Mistakes happen, but they happen more often when people are reckless. Technically, this guy was being the opposite of reckless. He had too much to drink so instead of driving, he stumbled to a buddy's place and waited on the porch for him to get home. He was playing around with a garden hose nossle. Being goofy he was fake-spraying things with the hose. Cops, who from all indication didn't identify themselves as cops, didn't tell him to drop the "weapon", and likely didn't even indicate they were there, opened fire on an unarmed man. From the reports, they had time to call for backup, they had time to observe him. It was dark, cops dress in dark uniforms. How do we even know he noticed they were there? I'm not anti-police at all. But this was reckless behavior from officers who failed to do their due diligence before gunning down an innocent and unarmed man.

In the civilian world, we call that murder.

this

 

[DrunkenSano]

See post #9

It's called hindsight. I'm sure everyone would love to have the 100% accurate crystal ball you own.

 

[Ns1]

I'm sure everyone would love to have the 100% accurate crystal ball you own.

I got it on sale at Walmart.