your 'version' of the story is operating on 110% assumption, so is NS1, which is all I am trying to point out
1st off he wasn't pointing it at the cops, he didn't even know they were cops until they shot him. How can you point something at somebody you don't even see? At worst he was waving around a nozzle, I'd agree he was stupid *IF* the cops had identified themselves so he knew what the fuck was going on.
Only on ATOT would people find it logical that a drunk man should have realized they were 2 cops hiding behind a bush, even if they didn't identify themselves. Drunk people tend to not be the mosy observant. I know ATOTers are the exception y'all are still 100% sharp when drunk off your ass. Y'all are probably more observant drunk than a normal person who hasn't even been drinking. I've been around plenty of drunk people and in all honesty, waving around a hose nozzle would rank towards the bottom of stupid things compared to everything else I've seen drunk people do.
The cops fucked up here, the dude did nothing wrong. Shit I better never get drunk and wave anything around because a cop might be in my bushes and shoot me and use the fact I had an object as an excuse.
your 'version' of the story is operating on 110% assumption, so is NS1, which is all I am trying to point out
Long Beach’s police chief has admitted that his officers never identified themselves before they shot and killed a man Sunday
Zerby says he counted 27 bullet holes surrounding the area where his son was killed.
your 'version' of the story is operating on 110% assumption, so is NS1, which is all I am trying to point out
The cops didn't identify themselves, it was dark and the dude was drunk. There's zero assumption when I say the drunk man had no fucking clue what was going on. When you're drunk your thinking is impaired. This is why when you're drunk you're unable to drive and can't do most things you normally could. If the police had identified themselves and he didn't react then I could see it being justified. But as it stands the guy did nothing except go outside after he had gotten drunk.
Also factor in a dozen shots fired, this was a clear case of cops not doing their job properly.
Someone points something that looks like a gun at you, one of the cops fire, the other cops hear the shot and assume that it is the guy shooting, they fire as well. I don't find that totally unbelievable.
You're right, the guy didn't do a thing that was illegal in any way, shape, or form. It is tragic that he died. However, I don't see this as a case of the cops screwing up either. It was a bad set of situations that led to this mans untimely demise. Such is life.
Given the exact same situation, if the guy did have a gun this wouldn't be news. People would have been giving the police attaboys.
The cops didn't identify themselves, it was dark and the dude was drunk. There's zero assumption when I say the drunk man had no fucking clue what was going on. When you're drunk your thinking is impaired. This is why when you're drunk you're unable to drive and can't do most things you normally could. If the police had identified themselves and he didn't react then I could see it being justified. But as it stands the guy did nothing except go outside after he had gotten drunk.
Also factor in a dozen shots fired, this was a clear case of cops not doing their job properly. Police identify themselves and say "drop the weapon!" this is pretty standard procedure . If the person doesn't then they react. You can't expect a drunk person who doesn't even realize the cops were there to drop something he knows isn't a weapon. He would have had to jump to about 4 different conclusions to come up with the thought that a cop MIGHT be in the bushes and MIGHT mistake a hose nozzle for a gun. Based off that kind of logic I probably shouldn't water my lawn tonight.
Not necessarily. Owning a gun isn't always illegal certainly doesn't carry a death sentence.
Not necessarily. Owning a gun isn't always illegal certainly doesn't carry a death sentence.
1st off he wasn't pointing it at the cops, he didn't even know they were cops until they shot him. How can you point something at somebody you don't even see? At worst he was waving around a nozzle, I'd agree he was stupid *IF* the cops had identified themselves so he knew what the fuck was going on.
Only on ATOT would people find it logical that a drunk man should have realized they were 2 cops hiding behind a bush, even if they didn't identify themselves. Drunk people tend to not be the most observant. I know ATOTers are the exception though, y'all are still 100% sharp when drunk off your ass. I've been around plenty of drunk people and in all honesty, waving around a hose nozzle wouldn't even register compared with the stupid things I've seen drunk people do.
The cops fucked up here, the dude did nothing wrong. Shit I better never get drunk and wave anything around because a cop might be in my bushes and shoot me and use the fact I had an object as an excuse.
McDonnell said the officers took positions to observe Zerby, who appeared intoxicated, and believed he had a gun as described by the callers, but focused on setting up containment of the area rather than contacting him.
The officers requested other officers, a helicopter, a K-9 team and a mental evaluation team, the chief said.
As those units were responding, the man pointed the object at apartments and played with it, causing it to make sounds similar to those of a gun being handled, he said.
so now it's gone from 8 shots, to 15 shots, to 27 shots. did the two officers stop and reload?
Only on ATOT would people find it logical that a drunk man should have realized they were 2 cops hiding behind a bush, even if they didn't identify themselves.
It isn't a question of illegal and legal (Though, endangering the public in the US I believe is illegal everywhere, I would have to look it up).
When you point a gun at a person, you are threatening them. End of story. When a cop gets a gun pointed at them, they are trained to shoot first. This is, IMO, the best practice. Yes, it can lead to tragic cases like this, but come on, they are rare to say the least.
The guy could have been pointing an Elmo doll, and the ATOT apologists would still come out. "Well if you squint and look at it sideways it could look like a gun."
FWIW If someone is creeping on my property in the cover of darkness unidentified they will probably get a gun pointed at them. Just sayin'
I am familiar with the area this occurred, and they could have safely given fair warning, and furthermore, he was on a 2nd story balcony type structure where the police could have easily used some binocs or something to see the "Weapon".
wasn't one of those shotguns? Maybe it's 27 holes because it was bird shot? I am just guessing here.
not true. if the police shot a guy holding an elmo doll, i would have blamed the elmo doll. those things are bullet magnets.
4:40pm, cover of darkness not found.
so he had the high ground. if he DID have a gun, it would have made it really easy for him to fire down on them. again, good thinking on the part of the police.
4:40pm, cover of darkness not found.
Its 4:36 and its pretty friggin dark in CT right now
Its 4:36 and its pretty friggin dark in CT right now
Sunset was at 4:21
west coast gets darker later....
it wasn't dark, so you can't use the "dark uniform" defense that's already been thrown out here. drunk or not, if you're first inclination is to point an item the looks like a gun at ANYONE eventually you are going to be on the losing end of a real gun.
Then that's one more strike against the cops, if in the broad day light they couldn't tell it wasn't a gun they shouldn't be cops. At Midnight I could see the confusion, but in the broad day? no fucking way.
Quoted for later lulz.
Hey all,
I grew up with Zerby's younger brother, Chris.
I met Doug in middle school on numerous occasions, and he was a stand up guy. Big time partier, but a really good guy. He did not deserve this, that is for sure.
I am familiar with the area this occurred, and they could have safely given fair warning, and furthermore, he was on a 2nd story balcony type structure where the police could have easily used some binocs or something to see the "Weapon".
Apparently he was pointing it in all sort of directions, messing around (he was drunk, what more can you say). He was a "character" that was his personality, from my few meetings with him I gathered that.
The Police snuck up to the stairs without any notice, and since he was pointing it in all kinds of directions, happened to point it at the officers; which is really not his fault he didn't expect someone to be there, seeing as they didn't warn him or anything.
It was an extremely unfortunate situation.
True, if he wouldn't have been playing with the hose nozzle none of this would have happened, but at the same time the police, who are trained to deal with these situations could have handled it 100000000x better.