Cops pay 3 a.m. visit to tell man his door is unlocked

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Nanny 911?

Here's an idea:

It's my home, so let me decide if I want to lock the door or not.

Do you also leave your garage door open, your back door open, and your vehicle unlocked with the keys in the ignition?

it doesn't matter... STF off my property

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Nanny 911?

Here's an idea:

It's my home, so let me decide if I want to lock the door or not.

Do you also leave your garage door open, your back door open, and your vehicle unlocked with the keys in the ignition?

it doesn't matter... STF off my property

I see how it is. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Nanny 911?

Here's an idea:

It's my home, so let me decide if I want to lock the door or not.

Like I said before, you know that if the wife was in the house getting raped and the cops decided not to enter, you'd be all over them in about two seconds. All we'd here from you is how poorly trained they are and how they cannot be counted on to do their jobs.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Nanny 911?

Here's an idea:

It's my home, so let me decide if I want to lock the door or not.

Do you also leave your garage door open, your back door open, and your vehicle unlocked with the keys in the ignition?

it doesn't matter... STF off my property

I see how it is. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

No not really. I don't need a babysitter...

Just because you are a cop doesn't give you the right to trespass on to my property,. What is so hard to understand about that?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You have to take into context where this occurred. Lakeville is a small town and particular, 'Sotans are used to having their noses in everyone's business. Having grown up in Minnesota, I can definitely understand the officers doing what they did. It would be stupid/dangerous in the East or a large city but, rural Minnesota is a whole nuther critter.

 

[sourceninja]

If my doors are opened (not just garage door), lights are on, and nobody answers the door, I want police to check it out. Something would be very wrong in my house.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: dartworth
Just because you are a cop doesn't give you the right to trespass on to my property,. What is so hard to understand about that?

If you're so sure, go find a law that agrees with you relative to this situation.

 

[dartworth]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: dartworth
Just because you are a cop doesn't give you the right to trespass on to my property,. What is so hard to understand about that?

If you're so sure, go find a law that agrees with you relative to this situation.

The burden of proof isn't on me...

Cops just use the old "reasonable suspicion" line and go any where they want. Most people around here will lay down and take this bullshit. Pull this crap on me or my family there is going to be a problem.

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Nanny 911?

Here's an idea:

It's my home, so let me decide if I want to lock the door or not.

Do you also leave your garage door open, your back door open, and your vehicle unlocked with the keys in the ignition?

In the summertime, when it was 80 out during the day, and it's cooler at night - I can guarantee my doors are open. I leave the keys in one of my vans 90% of the time, and my kids are constantly forgetting to close the garage doors. Yep, that about describes my house perfectly in the summertime.

As far as blaming the police in the situation in the OP - I don't know how significant crime is in that area. I don't know what the sub-culture of that area is like. There are plenty of areas of the country where I guarantee my doors would be locked. Not in this area though.

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: dartworth

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: dartworth
Just because you are a cop doesn't give you the right to trespass on to my property,. What is so hard to understand about that?

If you're so sure, go find a law that agrees with you relative to this situation.

The burden of proof isn't on me...

Cops just use the old "reasonable suspicion" line and go any where they want. Most people around here will lay down and take this bullshit. Pull this crap on me or my family there is going to be a problem.

This would fall under the 'community caretaking' headline...would be very well received in some areas of the country, and (as you're saying) despised in others.

There are no 'common law' crimes in my state- unless it is specifically statutorily prohibited, it is not illegal. The article the OP quoted would not fit the elements of criminal trespass, and as such, it would not be illegal.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Nanny 911?

Here's an idea:

It's my home, so let me decide if I want to lock the door or not.

Do you also leave your garage door open, your back door open, and your vehicle unlocked with the keys in the ignition?

In the summertime, when it was 80 out during the day, and it's cooler at night - I can guarantee my doors are open. I leave the keys in one of my vans 90% of the time, and my kids are constantly forgetting to close the garage doors. Yep, that about describes my house perfectly in the summertime.

As far as blaming the police in the situation in the OP - I don't know how significant crime is in that area. I don't know what the sub-culture of that area is like. There are plenty of areas of the country where I guarantee my doors would be locked. Not in this area though.

I'm curious about all the people who claim they leave their doors open at night. We're not talking about unlocked here, we're talking about ajar. Not a screen door closed to let air in on a cool summer night, but ajar. There are a lot of people here who leave their doors ajar at night frequently? I just can't imagine that. Most of these people also claim they live in rural areas - insects/spiders/animals coming in doesn't bother you?

 

[Jester22]

I?m definitely agreeing with what the cops did in this situation. Thankfully, most posters already elaborated on my exact thoughts as to why. =)

But I suppose it depends on the area, as always. If someone left their door open at 3am in the city here, then the police should definitely investigate. It?s ridiculous that the home owner wants to charge the cops for doing their job. If the same situation arises in the future, this experience may decrease the chances of those two officers investigating a household, and maybe that time there is a robbery/assault in action.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Nanny 911?

Here's an idea:

It's my home, so let me decide if I want to lock the door or not.

Do you also leave your garage door open, your back door open, and your vehicle unlocked with the keys in the ignition?

In the summertime, when it was 80 out during the day, and it's cooler at night - I can guarantee my doors are open. I leave the keys in one of my vans 90% of the time, and my kids are constantly forgetting to close the garage doors. Yep, that about describes my house perfectly in the summertime.

As far as blaming the police in the situation in the OP - I don't know how significant crime is in that area. I don't know what the sub-culture of that area is like. There are plenty of areas of the country where I guarantee my doors would be locked. Not in this area though.

I'm curious about all the people who claim they leave their doors open at night. We're not talking about unlocked here, we're talking about ajar. Not a screen door closed to let air in on a cool summer night, but ajar. There are a lot of people here who leave their doors ajar at night frequently? I just can't imagine that. Most of these people also claim they live in rural areas - insects/spiders/animals coming in doesn't bother you?

anmals can't come in since i have a screen door. i guess if they really wanted to they would.

as for spiders/insects we got them any way. its just a fact of living out here.


finding a house with a open garage is not rare (or keys in the car). heck once we drove off and left my wife's keys in her car trunk (we were delivering girl scout cookies). a guy downt he street walked by and seen them in it. he took them up the house and put them on the key hook (wich was inside the house).

We have also had a neighbor call ask if we had milk/butter/whatever. then find out we are out and we just tell them to go get it.


Also nto getting up to answere the door at 3 am is not odd either.




Around here having a garage door open/tv on/door open would not alarm any cops.

 

[TheVrolok]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: TheVrolok

Originally posted by: DrPizza

Originally posted by: JLee

Originally posted by: jpeyton
Nanny 911?

Here's an idea:

It's my home, so let me decide if I want to lock the door or not.

Do you also leave your garage door open, your back door open, and your vehicle unlocked with the keys in the ignition?

In the summertime, when it was 80 out during the day, and it's cooler at night - I can guarantee my doors are open. I leave the keys in one of my vans 90% of the time, and my kids are constantly forgetting to close the garage doors. Yep, that about describes my house perfectly in the summertime.

As far as blaming the police in the situation in the OP - I don't know how significant crime is in that area. I don't know what the sub-culture of that area is like. There are plenty of areas of the country where I guarantee my doors would be locked. Not in this area though.

I'm curious about all the people who claim they leave their doors open at night. We're not talking about unlocked here, we're talking about ajar. Not a screen door closed to let air in on a cool summer night, but ajar. There are a lot of people here who leave their doors ajar at night frequently? I just can't imagine that. Most of these people also claim they live in rural areas - insects/spiders/animals coming in doesn't bother you?

anmals can't come in since i have a screen door. i guess if they really wanted to they would.

as for spiders/insects we got them any way. its just a fact of living out here.


finding a house with a open garage is not rare (or keys in the car). heck once we drove off and left my wife's keys in her car trunk (we were delivering girl scout cookies). a guy downt he street walked by and seen them in it. he took them up the house and put them on the key hook (wich was inside the house).

We have also had a neighbor call ask if we had milk/butter/whatever. then find out we are out and we just tell them to go get it.


Also nto getting up to answere the door at 3 am is not odd either.




Around here having a garage door open/tv on/door open would not alarm any cops.

That's my point. Your door is still shut, this guy's wasn't. I usually leave my main door open and keep a screen door close too at night (my screen door locks, too) so I'm no stranger to that.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: cultgag
Well I can also see where the police department is coming from...


3 AM
Garage door open
Door of the house open
TV on
Keys to truck i ignition
no answer to knocks


Although I'd be agitated, I'd also be thankful that it was the cops instead of a bulglar.

all of those happen on a near daily basis in my house. and id be pissed if they did this to me

3 AM
Garage door open - i almost never close it
Door of the house open - its unlocked 99.9% of the time, and its normally just a screen door
TV on - i fall asleep with the TV on all the time
Keys to truck i ignition - i leave my keys in the car all the time as well
no answer to knocks - its fucking 3AM what do you ecpect

 

[skace]

The one time I forgot to close/lock my door I found a homeless man walking up my stairs in the middle of the day. He looked at me in a sort of crazed panic stare and then after a few seconds said "hheeeeyyyy man, you know your door is unlocked? I thought my friend lived here but I don't think this is the place anymore"

Yea, listen, I'd rather have a fucking cop come and inform me instead of a homeless guy. How about that.

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: coldmeat

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: JS80

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: cultgag
Well I can also see where the police department is coming from...


3 AM
Garage door open
Door of the house open
TV on
Keys to truck i ignition
no answer to knocks


Although I'd be agitated, I'd also be thankful that it was the cops instead of a bulglar.

having a garage door open isn othing.
having a TV on is nothing
keys in the truck again while stupid is nothing.

no knocks? ITS 3 am!

the door opne? ok yeah wierd but not probable cause to enter a house.

open door in the middle of the night is not probable cause to enter a house? are you kidding?

since fucking when is it probable cause? i have my doors open all the time. so you are saying the cops can come in any time?

You leave your doors open at 3am?

i have a few times. also my garage is opena lot (also i live in the country where is not uncommon).

NONE of that gives the cops a right to enter the house

And you don't answer the door when someone rings the bell/knocks on the door?

It's people like you that whine about the cops coming to investigate in situations like this and if you were actually getting robbed, you'd whine that them not coming in.

 

[moshquerade]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: cultgag
Well I can also see where the police department is coming from...


3 AM
Garage door open
Door of the house open
TV on
Keys to truck i ignition
no answer to knocks


Although I'd be agitated, I'd also be thankful that it was the cops instead of a bulglar.

all of those happen on a near daily basis in my house. and id be pissed if they did this to me

3 AM
Garage door open - i almost never close it
Door of the house open - its unlocked 99.9% of the time, and its normally just a screen door
TV on - i fall asleep with the TV on all the time
Keys to truck i ignition - i leave my keys in the car all the time as well
no answer to knocks - its fucking 3AM what do you ecpect

not worried about a skunk getting into the garage?

see... this is site specific. you might be doing those things b/c you live in an area where it's safe, and everyone does it.

are we sure that is the case here? if not, than you can see why it would make anyone suspicious that something wrong was going on.

 

[Extelleron]

You have to love the anti-police types in this thread. :disgust: You'll find any excuse to hate on the police/authorities.

This guy was putting himself in a seriously dangerous position where he was completely open to robbery of his house or his car. He was leaving himself (and more importantly the kids downstairs) open to murder or kidnapping. Whether or not this is because he's a complete idiot or just forgot (I can't see how he forgot to remove his keys from the car, shut the garage, and lock the door though) it is completely justified for cops to check on him and see what is going on. If not for him, for the kids downstairs.

The cops did the right thing here, and that's what I would expect them to do if I were ever in this man's situation and that's what I would want them to do. Cops are supposed to not just investigate crime but prevent crime, and that is what they did here. If you can't see that, then you are just a cop-hater (of which there are far too many on these forums). You don't have to blindly trust the authorities, but they are on your side (besides a few bad apples).

 

[sourceninja]

Actually, I fully support what the cops did. And I would hope in a similar situation at my house they would investigate. But I do not believe the cops are out to protect me, or even on my side. They are out to arrest people for crimes. They are simply looking for a way to either write you a ticket or arrest someone.

 

[Scarpozzi]

It was 3am and the cops must have been lonely.

 

[Regs]

How does this petty crap make it to CNN? We got more serious crap going on in our town than cops trying to keep things safe.

This is just one man pissed off because something woke his lazy ass up.

 

[Ness]

I'm with the group of "The world would be pissed if something WAS happening and they just left a note on the door."

Also, it'd be a different story if they decided to just walk in and search the place for guns, drugs, etc... but their intention was entirely on making sure the house was secure.

 

[Scarpozzi]

Originally posted by: Regs
How does this petty crap make it to CNN? We got more serious crap going on in our town than cops trying to keep things safe.

This is just one man pissed off because something woke his lazy ass up.

Private property is private. If there was no reported emergency, the police were as guilty of "breaking and entering" as a burglar would be. This would fall under illegal search and seisure if they had found anything illegal while they were there.

If you think they were right for entering this house, I'm assuming you agree with the patriot act as well.

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: moshquerade

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: cultgag
Well I can also see where the police department is coming from...


3 AM
Garage door open
Door of the house open
TV on
Keys to truck i ignition
no answer to knocks


Although I'd be agitated, I'd also be thankful that it was the cops instead of a bulglar.

all of those happen on a near daily basis in my house. and id be pissed if they did this to me

3 AM
Garage door open - i almost never close it
Door of the house open - its unlocked 99.9% of the time, and its normally just a screen door
TV on - i fall asleep with the TV on all the time
Keys to truck i ignition - i leave my keys in the car all the time as well
no answer to knocks - its fucking 3AM what do you ecpect

not worried about a skunk getting into the garage?

see... this is site specific. you might be doing those things b/c you live in an area where it's safe, and everyone does it.

are we sure that is the case here? if not, than you can see why it would make anyone suspicious that something wrong was going on.

not really, the resident badger + groudhogs + 2 or so feral cats keep most things away
and ye si do live pretty close to the middle of nowhere