Like other cops lying to cover up crimes? One cop abuses a person and lies. Victim claims abuse. No video, other cops present defend cop. Case closed, no crime committed, and you are in "screw them" mode. Gotcha.
And people wonder why we can't trust cops anymore and need video monitoring all the time?
Because time and time again, video shows that cops can and do lie to cover up their own and their fellow officers abuse.
So, just because a person claims abuse that means they must have been abused. Because no one would ever claim to be abused by the cops when that didn't actually happen? Got it.
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19401779/video-exonerates-police-in-brutality-cases
Again, enough with the strawmen. And I will note that if I am at work, and I have a private conversation with my wife, my employer is allowed to listen if they want. They can also read any of my emails as well and search my desk.
Again, why special privilege for cops? They work for us remember?
They already get free reign to speed and break just about all traffic laws, confident that no other cop will give them a ticket. Nice special privilege right?
What strawman argument am I making? Please tell me how I am changing the argument regarding bodycams. We're talking about privacy issues and bodycams.
If you are at work, you can easily close your office door and use your personal cell phone to make a private call without your boss listening. You can even step outside to do so. If you use a work computer to send emails from your work email, of course your employer can read those. The same would be for a cop. How is allowing them to have a private conversation a special privilege?
So if cops work for us, so do all politicians and other public servants. We should put cameras on all of them as well to make sure that they are not wasting our money or abusing their power either, right?
But, let's go back to privacy issues a bit. You never answered my question about the privacy rights that the cops come in contact with. What happens if the cops go to your house and you don't want them recording in there? What about your own privacy rights? I assume that these videos would all be FOIA-able so that anyone could get ahold of them. What about the cop that takes the sexual assault report earlier in the day? Now her full information and story are out there for anybody to get ahold of. What about her right to privacy?
Edit: To show that there are concerns regarding privacy, even the ACLU is concerned.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-body-cameras-20140927-story.html#page=1
As for cops "special privilege", cops have discretion to issue tickets or not. You'll find that most cops will not issue tickets to members of the military either. Does that mean that military members have a special privilege as well? And don't assume that a cop will NEVER issue another cop a ticket. NJ State Troopers and VA State Troopers have reputations for writing their own family members for a reason.
Again, the DOJ is investigating how many police departments? And they are doing it why? for being outstanding cops? LOL.
You seem to know the answer. How many are they investigating? And there are how many police departments nationwide?
Many exmaples of DA's not caring about prosecuting cops...the Alb. DA is one (13 years!) and the Ferguson DA refused to prosecute cops for lying under oath (oh rats, another case of cops lying and not getting in trouble) to a GJ. Also, his treatment of Office Wilson, basically letting him say whatever he wants to avoid an indictment.
Get your facts right about the Albequerque DA. They have prosecuted multiple cops over that time-frame. The number you are referring to is the number of cops that were prosecuted in fatal shootings. As for Wilson, don't let the facts stand in the way that show the shooting was justified. If what the DA in Ferguson did was improper, he would not have been allowed to do it. While what he did might not have been normal, it was still within the rules of the system. As for saying "whatever he wants", I like how you imply that Wilson must have lied on the stand when you have no proof that he did and the physical evidence matched his version of events.
Then there is all the police abuse, of which probably 90% (95%? 99%?) are only found out by video or other means, and not by cops or DA's. That is pretty telling that there is corruption and a mindset of cops not reporting abuse by other cops.
I've linked in another thread back when MYC EMT's reported on cops for abusing a person. The result? Many cops in a cop forum wanted to "pay back'" EMT's for ratting them out. Great behavior by cops right?
We keep pointing out time and time again instances of abuse. At what point do you accept it's a problem?
And where do you get these percentages from? Once again, just because you have that perception from what you see on the Internet doesn't mean that it is actually accurate. Didn't you just point out to me that fallacy when I based an assumption of crime rates because of how much more the news is reporting violent crime?
I'm not saying that police abuse is not a problem. Any abuse by police is problem. We'll just need to disagree on how big a problem it is.
And thanks for the million cop number, really shows how under 100 cops being killed in a year means that they aren't at high risk for death. Especially since only like 30 or so were from being shot, since most died in traffic accidents.
But cops kill how many people in a year?
Cops shoot how many more people in a year?
How many abuse cases are handled in a year?
I Think it's bit one-sided.
This past year the number of cops murdered was the same as those killed in auto accidents. And yes, while the being a cop is not the most deadliest profession, I would say that it is one of the most dangerous. In every other profession, almost every single death was either an accident or a health related issue. However, as a cop almost half of the deaths are because someone murdered the cop. Do you go to work knowing that there is a chance today that someone might pull a gun on you or try to kill you because you were doing your job?
I'll put out that the data says that about 400 people are killed a year by the police, but I know you hate that number. Is the actual number more than that, yes. By how much, none of us actually know. As for the other questions, we can make assumptions, but you and I both know that we don't know the answer.
- Merg