Cops throw pregnant woman to the ground, and punch man repeatedly, try to delete evid

[Cstefan]

Yes, they can. When there is probable cause to believe an item contains evidence of a crime, the police can seize/secure it.

- Merg

The irony being it was evidence to their crime. He would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that darn cloud. Abusive cops need to be made examples of IMO. They are trusted with an abundance of power and authority.

 

[The Merg]

The irony being it was evidence to their crime. He would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for that darn cloud. Abusive cops need to be made examples of IMO. They are trusted with an abundance of power and authority.

Very true, although it did also contain evidence of the guy "possibly" resisting and trying to destroy evidence. Although, that was not the reason the cop was seizing the phone in this case.

- Merg

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

As for accepting cop statements at face value, I will do that if there is no evidence to refute it. If there is evidence to refute it, screw them then.

Like other cops lying to cover up crimes? One cop abuses a person and lies. Victim claims abuse. No video, other cops present defend cop. Case closed, no crime committed, and you are in "screw them" mode. Gotcha.

And people wonder why we can't trust cops anymore and need video monitoring all the time?

Because time and time again, video shows that cops can and do lie to cover up their own and their fellow officers abuse.

Wait. So because I think a cop should be able to use a crapper without being recorded, I'm against body cams. That's a stretch. I just think that it's not as easy as putting them on and having them record 24/7. What about the privacy issues of those being recorded? If the cops come to your house and you don't want to be recorded, you don't have a say in the matter? It's your house. You should be able to tell people what they can and cannot do in it. If a cop is having a private conversation with his wife about a medical issue on his personal cell phone, he doesn't have a right to have that conversation in private without being recorded?

Again, enough with the strawmen. And I will note that if I am at work, and I have a private conversation with my wife, my employer is allowed to listen if they want. They can also read any of my emails as well and search my desk.

Again, why special privilege for cops? They work for us remember?

They already get free reign to speed and break just about all traffic laws, confident that no other cop will give them a ticket. Nice special privilege right?

And what absolute proof do you have of this systemic abuse of the system. Just because a DA has not prosecuted a cop in a fatal shooting doesn't mean that they are in bed with the police. It's very possible that they were all justified. Just because you think something is doesn't mean that it actually is.

Oh, that's right, people posting on YouTube about a cop using excessive force or performing something improper is an absolute indicator the entire system is broken. Cuz like I said before, is anyone ever going to post a video showing a cop as they legally seize a cell phone? No, since it doesn't help in their argument that the police are corrupt and the cops aren't going to record and post it themselves.

44,000,000 people with at least one contact with police and almost 1,000,000 cops here in the U.S. How many threads here at P&N about corrupt cops that are actually substantiated?

- Merg

Again, the DOJ is investigating how many police departments? And they are doing it why? for being outstanding cops? LOL.

Many exmaples of DA's not caring about prosecuting cops...the Alb. DA is one (13 years!) and the Ferguson DA refused to prosecute cops for lying under oath (oh rats, another case of cops lying and not getting in trouble) to a GJ. Also, his treatment of Office Wilson, basically letting him say whatever he wants to avoid an indictment.

Then there is all the police abuse, of which probably 90% (95%? 99%?) are only found out by video or other means, and not by cops or DA's. That is pretty telling that there is corruption and a mindset of cops not reporting abuse by other cops.

I've linked in another thread back when MYC EMT's reported on cops for abusing a person. The result? Many cops in a cop forum wanted to "pay back'" EMT's for ratting them out. Great behavior by cops right?

We keep pointing out time and time again instances of abuse. At what point do you accept it's a problem?

And thanks for the million cop number, really shows how under 100 cops being killed in a year means that they aren't at high risk for death. Especially since only like 30 or so were from being shot, since most died in traffic accidents.

But cops kill how many people in a year?
Cops shoot how many more people in a year?
How many abuse cases are handled in a year?
I Think it's bit one-sided.

 

[The Merg]

Like other cops lying to cover up crimes? One cop abuses a person and lies. Victim claims abuse. No video, other cops present defend cop. Case closed, no crime committed, and you are in "screw them" mode. Gotcha.



And people wonder why we can't trust cops anymore and need video monitoring all the time?



Because time and time again, video shows that cops can and do lie to cover up their own and their fellow officers abuse.

So, just because a person claims abuse that means they must have been abused. Because no one would ever claim to be abused by the cops when that didn't actually happen? Got it.



http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/19401779/video-exonerates-police-in-brutality-cases

Again, enough with the strawmen. And I will note that if I am at work, and I have a private conversation with my wife, my employer is allowed to listen if they want. They can also read any of my emails as well and search my desk.



Again, why special privilege for cops? They work for us remember?



They already get free reign to speed and break just about all traffic laws, confident that no other cop will give them a ticket. Nice special privilege right?

What strawman argument am I making? Please tell me how I am changing the argument regarding bodycams. We're talking about privacy issues and bodycams.



If you are at work, you can easily close your office door and use your personal cell phone to make a private call without your boss listening. You can even step outside to do so. If you use a work computer to send emails from your work email, of course your employer can read those. The same would be for a cop. How is allowing them to have a private conversation a special privilege?



So if cops work for us, so do all politicians and other public servants. We should put cameras on all of them as well to make sure that they are not wasting our money or abusing their power either, right?



But, let's go back to privacy issues a bit. You never answered my question about the privacy rights that the cops come in contact with. What happens if the cops go to your house and you don't want them recording in there? What about your own privacy rights? I assume that these videos would all be FOIA-able so that anyone could get ahold of them. What about the cop that takes the sexual assault report earlier in the day? Now her full information and story are out there for anybody to get ahold of. What about her right to privacy?

Edit: To show that there are concerns regarding privacy, even the ACLU is concerned.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-body-cameras-20140927-story.html#page=1



As for cops "special privilege", cops have discretion to issue tickets or not. You'll find that most cops will not issue tickets to members of the military either. Does that mean that military members have a special privilege as well? And don't assume that a cop will NEVER issue another cop a ticket. NJ State Troopers and VA State Troopers have reputations for writing their own family members for a reason.

Again, the DOJ is investigating how many police departments? And they are doing it why? for being outstanding cops? LOL.

You seem to know the answer. How many are they investigating? And there are how many police departments nationwide?

Many exmaples of DA's not caring about prosecuting cops...the Alb. DA is one (13 years!) and the Ferguson DA refused to prosecute cops for lying under oath (oh rats, another case of cops lying and not getting in trouble) to a GJ. Also, his treatment of Office Wilson, basically letting him say whatever he wants to avoid an indictment.

Get your facts right about the Albequerque DA. They have prosecuted multiple cops over that time-frame. The number you are referring to is the number of cops that were prosecuted in fatal shootings. As for Wilson, don't let the facts stand in the way that show the shooting was justified. If what the DA in Ferguson did was improper, he would not have been allowed to do it. While what he did might not have been normal, it was still within the rules of the system. As for saying "whatever he wants", I like how you imply that Wilson must have lied on the stand when you have no proof that he did and the physical evidence matched his version of events.

Then there is all the police abuse, of which probably 90% (95%? 99%?) are only found out by video or other means, and not by cops or DA's. That is pretty telling that there is corruption and a mindset of cops not reporting abuse by other cops.



I've linked in another thread back when MYC EMT's reported on cops for abusing a person. The result? Many cops in a cop forum wanted to "pay back'" EMT's for ratting them out. Great behavior by cops right?



We keep pointing out time and time again instances of abuse. At what point do you accept it's a problem?

And where do you get these percentages from? Once again, just because you have that perception from what you see on the Internet doesn't mean that it is actually accurate. Didn't you just point out to me that fallacy when I based an assumption of crime rates because of how much more the news is reporting violent crime?



I'm not saying that police abuse is not a problem. Any abuse by police is problem. We'll just need to disagree on how big a problem it is.

And thanks for the million cop number, really shows how under 100 cops being killed in a year means that they aren't at high risk for death. Especially since only like 30 or so were from being shot, since most died in traffic accidents.



But cops kill how many people in a year?

Cops shoot how many more people in a year?

How many abuse cases are handled in a year?

I Think it's bit one-sided.

This past year the number of cops murdered was the same as those killed in auto accidents. And yes, while the being a cop is not the most deadliest profession, I would say that it is one of the most dangerous. In every other profession, almost every single death was either an accident or a health related issue. However, as a cop almost half of the deaths are because someone murdered the cop. Do you go to work knowing that there is a chance today that someone might pull a gun on you or try to kill you because you were doing your job?



I'll put out that the data says that about 400 people are killed a year by the police, but I know you hate that number. Is the actual number more than that, yes. By how much, none of us actually know. As for the other questions, we can make assumptions, but you and I both know that we don't know the answer.



- Merg

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

Jesus Fucking Christ, you are pathetic. Seriously do you get paid to shill for policemen?

Just a hint, when like 90% of the abuse cases are all NOT reported by your brother officers, you have a real big problem with corruption, since clearly no one feels like they should report it, let alone stop it.

Oh, here are some of the cops you are defending, check this website (apparently you have to prove you are a cop to post)

http://theerant.yuku.com/forums/58/THEE-RANT#.VH-cqcm_vur

Yup, a whole forum of "few bad apples". You will not the outright racism, the veiled threats, posting of reporters personal information, etc, etc, etc. New York's Finest right? Might want to get paid double to defend them. They all think choking a guy to death is OK too.

And you haven't commented on the GJ not indicted the cops for chocking that guy to death. Yup, good kill right? All legal and above board, no racism or police abuse there. All on video, and they still get off. Right? Right? Cops get punished for their actions you said, right? They don't lie on their reports? Hmmm, these cops did both, and got away with murder.

 

[GarfieldtheCat]

As pretty much everyone expected....DA said punching the man was OK, and the cops aren't getting charged. Good beat down for the cops again.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestwor...ce_excessive_force_justified_fox31.php?page=2

Yup, just another good cop defending us from those evil men. No crime committed, everything is good yet again. DA's and cops aren't in bed with each other, no way.

And to top it off, the throw out some good character assassintation of the man that filmed it:

The police report obtained by Fox31 makes no mention of the officers deleting Frasier's video -- and when the station offered to screen it for DPD supervisors, they reportedly declined. However, Commander Matt Murray appears on camera to encourage Frasier to come forward so that the department can investigate the possibility of excessive force and impropriety

Funny, the cops didn't mention in their report that they tried to take the video. That couldn't be cops lying yet again? That very rarely happens, or so I am informed by people here. I've been told that there are serious consequences for cops when they lie. Hmmmmmm

Frasier's credibility is also questioned. The report states that he "was released from the Michigan Department of Corrections in the spring of 2014, where he served a lengthy sentence for numerous charges including: breaking and entering, home invasion, and stealing or retaining a transaction device." The item adds that Frasier "has six aliases" -- monikers typically "derived by either a legal name change, or the illegal use of someone else's name or lying about one's identity to the police."

Not sure why they would release that, since it has nothing to do with anything, other then to try to make him look bad. The video stands on it's own. Just more great ethical behavior by cops.