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Lifer
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You do realize that The Weather Channel has virtually nothing to do with weather anymore, right?

Besides, doesn't FiOS have WeatherScan?

Yes. I used to watch it regularly. I liked the Coast Guard series and the Canadian winter tow truck series. The storm coverage was good as background entertainment. I would pay another few dollars to get it back.
 

cubby1223

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ESPN takes in the most of any cable channel, I think the report I saw said they take $7/mo from every cable subscriber. I think it was Disney Channel next at $4, then they drop off significantly after that.

I'm in full support of not being forced to buy ESPN with cable tv. Go premium. Watch how much people are so not interested in paying to watch you!
 

zerocool84

Lifer
Nov 11, 2004
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Exactly. The only time ESPN is on in our home is when a visitor is watching it. I get sick when I think how much money I've wasted paying ESPN over the years but OTA is hopeless here and Comcast doesn't allow breaking up their bundles. Too bad antitrust laws are either toothless and/or not enforced anymore.
Like others have said, blame the owners of ESPN, they are the ones that force the bundling of channels. It was just mentioned that Verizon got sued by Disney for trying to do exactly that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2015/04/27/espn-sues-verizon-over-bundle/26455305/
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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I would rather my bill go up than channels get touched. I am still upset that FiOS dropped the Weather channel months ago.
I understand that you don't want to pay $30 per subscriber, so you're saying I have to subsidize your ESPN and pay more for it than any other channel even though I don't watch it? Sounds like a good deal for you. At least they bundled the "Watching Paint Dry Channel" with it to soften the blow for me.
 
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Random slight necro...

I may sound like a dick when I say this, but I'm finding it pretty ridiculous that the majority of cord cutters comes from places like these forums. I'm sure most of us make atleast a semi-decent salary, the issue is we just can't justify the outrageous costs anymore.

In yet... I hear we have government subsidy programs from the cable companies that allows "eligible households" to pay only $10/month for the same cable that everyone else pays boatloads for. That seems a bit ridiculous considering we're cutting the cords at home. I want to get in on this government subsidy Frankly, I'm having a hard time understanding how TV is a right. It's not like the internet where you learn things and research topics.

Example: http://deadline.com/2011/11/cable-c...o-low-income-households-for-9-99month-192839/
slightly old, but gets the point across.
 

preslove

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Your link doesn't refute my point. CBS is asking for $1 per user. ESPN charges over $6, and disney can use the threat of not giving cable providers ESPN to force them to carry other Disney owned channels in their base level. The Disney channel is in the base cable tier because of this, and it is an expensive $4. Add all the other channels and you're in the $15 or $20 range.

$20 is far more significant than $1.

But, hey, believe whatever stupid anti-government theory you want.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
May 28, 2007
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Random slight necro...

I may sound like a dick when I say this, but I'm finding it pretty ridiculous that the majority of cord cutters comes from places like these forums. I'm sure most of us make atleast a semi-decent salary, the issue is we just can't justify the outrageous costs anymore.

In yet... I hear we have government subsidy programs from the cable companies that allows "eligible households" to pay only $10/month for the same cable that everyone else pays boatloads for. That seems a bit ridiculous considering we're cutting the cords at home. I want to get in on this government subsidy Frankly, I'm having a hard time understanding how TV is a right. It's not like the internet where you learn things and research topics.

Example: http://deadline.com/2011/11/cable-c...o-low-income-households-for-9-99month-192839/
slightly old, but gets the point across.

Where's the old fusetalk confused smiley when you need it? The article you linked is literally about broadband internet access.

It's not so much that you sound like a dick, but it's bewildering to me that this is the kind of thing that gets you angry. Poor people being able to watch TV. Not the fact that our regulatory system is so broken that the only thing that brings lower prices and higher broadband speeds is Google Fiber.

http://www.technologyreview.com/review/538411/the-wait-for-google-to-do-it-strategy/

I mean, I really just can't understand it. How can you read an article like that and not get nauseas?
 
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Where's the old fusetalk confused smiley when you need it? The article you linked is literally about broadband internet access.

It's not so much that you sound like a dick, but it's bewildering to me that this is the kind of thing that gets you angry. Poor people being able to watch TV. Not the fact that our regulatory system is so broken that the only thing that brings lower prices and higher broadband speeds is Google Fiber.

http://www.technologyreview.com/review/538411/the-wait-for-google-to-do-it-strategy/

I mean, I really just can't understand it. How can you read an article like that and not get nauseas?

My bad, yo.

It's not the fact that poor people are watching TV. It's the fact that poor people are watching cable TV with tons more channels than I have, working less hours than I am (or not at all), and I can't even afford cable.

Again, I speak to all the cable cutter's when I say that. We aren't broke. We are living par with middle-class, but since we aren't low income we can't qualify for many things - so we have to do away with them. It almost sounds advantageous to be lower income.

I don't disagree with you that competition is a problem, I've been saying that about airlines for a looooooooong time. But that is an entirely different topic.
 

CZroe

Lifer
Jun 24, 2001
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Random slight necro...

I may sound like a dick when I say this, but I'm finding it pretty ridiculous that the majority of cord cutters comes from places like these forums. I'm sure most of us make atleast a semi-decent salary, the issue is we just can't justify the outrageous costs anymore.

In yet... I hear we have government subsidy programs from the cable companies that allows "eligible households" to pay only $10/month for the same cable that everyone else pays boatloads for. That seems a bit ridiculous considering we're cutting the cords at home. I want to get in on this government subsidy Frankly, I'm having a hard time understanding how TV is a right. It's not like the internet where you learn things and research topics.

Example: http://deadline.com/2011/11/cable-c...o-low-income-households-for-9-99month-192839/
slightly old, but gets the point across.

It has more to do with time for me. I can't justify the expense when I don't have time to use it.
 

Axon

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Sep 25, 2003
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Where's the old fusetalk confused smiley when you need it? The article you linked is literally about broadband internet access.

It's not so much that you sound like a dick, but it's bewildering to me that this is the kind of thing that gets you angry. Poor people being able to watch TV. Not the fact that our regulatory system is so broken that the only thing that brings lower prices and higher broadband speeds is Google Fiber.

http://www.technologyreview.com/review/538411/the-wait-for-google-to-do-it-strategy/

I mean, I really just can't understand it. How can you read an article like that and not get nauseas?

We had the same phenomenon when gmail first came out more than a decade ago. You used to get like, 100mb of storage for your email, and gmail upped that to a gig. Suddenly Microsoft and Yahoo found the capacity to match google.
 

zinfamous

No Lifer
Jul 12, 2006
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Good. Fuck ESPN and their tearing away of games that used to be available OTA. That includes Monday night football and as of this year NFL playoff games. I hope people wise up to the college sports network channels to and give them the finger. Local games that used to be locally televised on OTA channels now got sucked into Big 10 & SEC networks. It's a horrible trend.

Voting with your wallet is the only way that this stuff is going to get better.

Amen.

As to the bolded....what??
 

poofyhairguy

Lifer
Nov 20, 2005
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My bad, yo.

It's not the fact that poor people are watching TV. It's the fact that poor people are watching cable TV with tons more channels than I have, working less hours than I am (or not at all), and I can't even afford cable.

Again, I speak to all the cable cutter's when I say that. We aren't broke. We are living par with middle-class, but since we aren't low income we can't qualify for many things - so we have to do away with them. It almost sounds advantageous to be lower income.

As said, that program is for internet and not TV. It is the government trying to cross the digital divide as children who grow up in houses without internet will be YEARS (maybe decades) behind their peers when it comes time to apply for college, or a job, etc.

With that said, I can see the benefit for having low-cost cable subscriptions. For people who are disabled, or mentally unfit for a job, this at least provides them entertainment to fill their life with. Not a bad thing.
 

Red Squirrel

No Lifer
May 24, 2003
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www.anyf.ca
Here in Canada they were suppose to start offering a la carte TV, but no idea what came of that. It did not actually happen.

TV is bundled with my fibre internet package so I have it, but if I was paying for cable separately I'd cancel it as I just don't watch enough TV to justify paying $60/mo which is about what cable costs here. That's just the base then start adding channels that you actually want to watch and have to pay extra. A la carte sounds great but I have a feeling all the companies would do is continue charging the same thing they are now except you need to pay for each channel on top of it, rather than packages.
 

OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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It was also Steinbrenner leading the capitalization of TV rights. By creating his own YES network, he essentially issued a monthly household Yankees "tax" on every household in their baseball viewing area.

And Delaney, the Big 10 commish loved that idea, tax every house in B1G states? (Why else do you think they added Rutgers?). So this becomes more than a TV cost talk and now a sports league alignment issue, too.

john oliver did a great show on how bad the tax payers get fucked over by stadiums. really eye opening.
 
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john oliver did a great show on how bad the tax payers get fucked over by stadiums. really eye opening.

It really depends though.

There are tons of cases where the stadiums end up generating a SHIT TON of revenue. The entire point is for the city to help build it so that afterwards you have 100,000+ people showing up to the stadium everytime to....
1. Pay Taxes on event seats
2. Pay Taxes on Drinks (beer)
3. Pay taxes on shit food (Coke, peanuts, etc...)

All and all, I can see why it's done.

Now there are other issues - For example right now in Brazil for their World Cup and their scheduled Olympics hosting, they are building an ass-fuck load of stadiums (some in the middle of no-where) to be used.... ONE time... and never be used again.... There is absolutely no way in fuck that is profitable.
 

OutHouse

Lifer
Jun 5, 2000
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There are tons of cases where the stadiums end up generating a SHIT TON of revenue. The entire point is for the city to help build it so that afterwards you have 100,000+ people showing up to the stadium everytime to....

please link those cases, im really interested in where these stadiums are and who did the study.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcwJt4bcnXs

the Miami Marlins as an example: the team that got almost $500 million "by pleading poverty," but leaked documents showed that they made $50 million over two years.
 
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Nebor

Lifer
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It really depends though.

There are tons of cases where the stadiums end up generating a SHIT TON of revenue. The entire point is for the city to help build it so that afterwards you have 100,000+ people showing up to the stadium everytime to....
1. Pay Taxes on event seats
2. Pay Taxes on Drinks (beer)
3. Pay taxes on shit food (Coke, peanuts, etc...)

All and all, I can see why it's done.

Now there are other issues - For example right now in Brazil for their World Cup and their scheduled Olympics hosting, they are building an ass-fuck load of stadiums (some in the middle of no-where) to be used.... ONE time... and never be used again.... There is absolutely no way in fuck that is profitable.

The cities never make the money back, and take a huge risk that the team won't leave, or suck or whatever.
 

Jumpem

Lifer
Sep 21, 2000
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I understand that you don't want to pay $30 per subscriber, so you're saying I have to subsidize your ESPN and pay more for it than any other channel even though I don't watch it? Sounds like a good deal for you. At least they bundled the "Watching Paint Dry Channel" with it to soften the blow for me.

I don't watch ESPN.
 
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