CORE 2 DUO RMA BECAUSE OF HEAT ISSUES?

[EXEEMLITE]

Just a thought, From a few post around here and other forums it seems that the heat spreader on the core 2 duo may be the issue with the temps, Even when I am playing fair with no oc'ing, I am idle at 41 or so, well into the lower 60's when I prime. Now when you actually start playing, the temps get out of hand quickly, so we are held back by our phobia's of burning the cpu up, well I am atleast.
How long is the RMA process and is it something that could actually happen. I want lower temp reading but I dont want to lap the cpu to get them. SO lets say I verify that my heatspreader is concaved, is this enough for an rma, or even a recall?

 

[classy]

No offense but I think a lot of you guys just aren't installing those heatsinks correctly. What heatsink are you using and what program are you using to monitor the temps?

 

[neuralnut]

No offense, but some of the heatspreaders are just not flat. Try putting a straightedge on one of the hot ones and you'll see what I mean.

 

[EXEEMLITE]

Classy, I have built many machines, I have installed this particular heatsink(zalman9500) on three machines just within the last year. I have installed this particular zalman about 7 times on 2 different p5b boards., on this machine alone. No offense taken, but give the 100 plus posts i have seen on this subject a little credit. I mean id guys @xtremesystems are making it a topic then...

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: EXEEMLITE
Classy, I have built many machines, I have installed this particular heatsink(zalman9500) on three machines just within the last year. I have installed this particular zalman about 7 times on 2 different p5b boards., on this machine alone. No offense taken, but give the 100 plus posts i have seen on this subject a little credit. I mean id guys @xtremesystems are making it a topic then...

WEll if you bought it from a reputable place they should take it back. Now while there may be some truth to the heat spreader issue, I would venture to say many are just using it as an excuse because they are not getting a good overclock or an overclock with pristine temps :Q. Now in your case, it sounds like a legit complaint, so I would just send it back for another one.

 

[CyborgNinja117]

man that sux... i idle 25 degrees w/ tuniq tower 120 and 32 degrees full load on 3.150ghz

 

[eelw]

Stop worrying about high temps. C2D can handle temperatures up to 85C Running at load in the 60s is absolutedly nothing to worry about.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: eelw
Stop worrying about high temps. C2D can handle temperatures up to 85C Running at load in the 60s is absolutedly nothing to worry about.

Yes it is

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: eelw
Stop worrying about high temps. C2D can handle temperatures up to 85C Running at load in the 60s is absolutedly nothing to worry about.

Thats the max CASE temp, not the max cpu temp...

OP, what case do you have, what do you have for intake and exhaust fans? What are your ambient temps? What heastink are you using with the CPU? The stock Intel heastink sucks, my 8xx pentium-D's ran above 70c on the stock heatsink, but stayed in the 50's with the scythe ninja. I didn't even bother with the stock heatsink on my E6600, but it hasn't broken 60c yet even at 3.2ghz(hit 59c, which is still too warm for my tastes).

 

[burney]

last i heard was Asus motherboard was reporting wrong tmps, I did not heard any GA mobo owner talking about high temps?

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: classy
No offense but I think a lot of you guys just aren't installing those heatsinks correctly. What heatsink are you using and what program are you using to monitor the temps?

Well, from reading some of the high temperature C2D threads, it appears Intel's not doing a very good job at installing flat IHS on their processors. In a lot of cases, lapping the IHS down to copper gave the user much better temperature.

 

[Polish3d]

Yeah, RMA it, it's ridiculous with this IHS stuff. On the X2's, you'd have the IHS not distributing heat well between both cores

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: Baked

Originally posted by: classy
No offense but I think a lot of you guys just aren't installing those heatsinks correctly. What heatsink are you using and what program are you using to monitor the temps?

I totally agree. With my current setup, I get 32C idle w/ the following BIOS settings. This is Core Temp read out, which is known to have the highest temp reading.

HSF: Artic Cooling Freezer Pro 7 w/ AS5
CPU: E6400 @ stock
Vcore: Normal
C1E: On

Note: With C1E on, the Vcore is 1.18V, and 1.265 if C1E is off. My ambient temp is about 20C.

I don't use AS5's official application method, I use the spread w/ razor blade method.

I lapped my IHS and the temps dropped by 10c. I went to 1000grid and I think I will do 1500 and 2000 to make an even better surface. I used the dot and smash method, but I think I might try the spread method.

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
I lapped my HSF and the temps dropped by 10c. I went to 1000grid and I think I will do 1500 and 2000 to make an even better surface. I used the dot and smash method, but I think I might try the spread method.

Changed my post to reflect that. I noticed the IHS on my C2D is not 100% flat, but not as concaved as most of the IHS people have to sand down. I think I'm gonna just leave my IHS alone.

 

[EXEEMLITE]

I have a Coolermaster Mystique, 120mm front intake .06 amps, 120mm side intake (thermaltake) .3 amp, and a 120 exhast (thermaltake.3 amp)
THe cpu is topped with a Zalman 9500 led
My ambient is around 24-26c ( add on room with poor hvac set up). I have seated, reseated, rereseated, and so forth. I know its not the as5, or the zalman, I know its not my ventilation, room could be cooler but come on 44-48 idle, not when My opty 165 was oced to 2.6 sitting on 35 dual primed to 42. I know, apples to oranges but I am giving you my experience with this ambient temps, same cooler basically same exhaust plus on top of that a 45% oc. This is definately evidence that something is wrong. I am not satisfied with the sensor reading are wrong. Its may be 100% true but I am still feeling the hesitation to throw caustion to the wind and put the petal to the metal so to speak.
Does anyone know how the intel rma program works, does it take weeks, can you cross ship? I think/ feel that the ball was dropped with the inspection side of things, and dont want to have to go without my pc for weeks+ for them to resove the issue, a few days fine but not weeks. Oh and I bought this from mwave, and no one including new egg takes back processors, its all about intel when it comes to retail cpu.

 

[m21s]

Did intel ever release any numbers reflecting temps under load and idle?

Or are most people expecting nice low numbers when there chip is probably running where it should be.

I could see you RMAing something if Intel claims a certain temp and you are not getting that.

Could someone post something showing official temp specs from Intel?

 

[Baked]

Originally posted by: m21s
Did intel ever release any numbers reflecting temps under load and idle?

Or are most people expecting nice low numbers when there chip is probably running where it should be.

I could see you RMAing something if Intel claims a certain temp and you are not getting that.

Could someone post something showing official temp specs from Intel?

Intel does have a temp spec sheet for the C2Ds.

 

[m21s]

*Thanks for the link*

So a E6600 MAX Thernal Spec is 60.1c

*Hugs his AMD FX55*

Those specs seem quite low compared to some of the temps some people are running.
If thats the case there is alot of people looking to shorten the life of there processor very fast!

 

[m21s]

Originally posted by: eelw
Running at load in the 60s is absolutedly nothing to worry about.

Thermal Specification: (Also referred to as Thermal Temp) The Thermal Specification is the temperature at the critical point on the die and usually represents the hottest point on the processor. Therefore, the Thermal Specification represents the maximum temperature for reliable operation of the processor.


All C2Duo's are in the range of 60.1c


6300- 61.4c
6400- 61.4c
6600- 60.1c
6700- 60.1c
6800- 60.1c

So Yeah I would think there would be a problem!

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: m21s
Those specs seem quite low compared to some of the temps some people are running.
If thats the case there is alot of people looking to shorten the life of there processor very fast!

Yes, Intel specifies roughly 60C max. Which is what I've always used for a max temperature anyways.

A lot of people report that once they go over 60C they have trouble. Others report insane full load readings (like 75c each core) and no problems.

I myself don't trust Core Temp / Intel TAT. They report similar numbers but I notice that TAT identifies my C2D's as "Pentium M" processors and the TCaseMax numbers are wrong in both cases (85C rather than 100C, indicating they're specced for mobile chips.)

At any rate, I find the whole temp debate a moot point. For stock speeds you shouldn't have any trouble (unless you have a concave IHS ), it is only when you start cranking volts and ramping up the clocks that you have to worry about it.

For me, the Conroe's run cooler than any of my X2's did under full loads (with similar voltages, around 1.4 to 1.45 volts) and they are a hell of a lot faster. Works for me.

 

[stcloudpc]

I agree, mine never goes above 31 C.

Throw that stock heatsink in the trash, its a pain in the a** to install and is loud.

 

[dopee123]

I find it hard to believe NOBODY here has ever RMA'ed an Intel processor before.

 

[lopri]

Use like 50% more TIM than the amount you used to use for A64. Spreading TIM evenly doesn't do any good. Just a drip in the center and gently push the HSF down and rotate it clockwise then counter-clockwise a couple times. Lift the HSF up and check the contact. Make sure you see at least a nickel-sized circle on both IHS and the bottom of HSF. Put it back down and screw/clip/push to mount it firmly.

 

[dopee123]

Originally posted by: lopri
Use like 50% more TIM than the amount you used to use for A64. Spreading TIM evenly doesn't do any good. Just a drip in the center and gently push the HSF down and rotate it clockwise then counter-clockwise a couple times. Lift the HSF up and check the contact. Make sure you see at least a nickel-sized circle on both IHS and the bottom of HSF. Put it back down and screw/clip/push to mount it firmly.

Done that like 5 times with my Ultra-120, the center of the heatsink gets no love from the cpu.

 

[Henny]

Originally posted by: dopee123
I find it hard to believe NOBODY here has ever RMA'ed an Intel processor before.

On what basis?? Intel guarantees the data sheet specifications and that's all.

Intel does not guarantee any OC success nor do they guarantee a temperature less then spec at stock speed.