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MegaWorks

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Wow that's a big gap between the i7 and the C2Q in tri-SLI, but the said the difference is minimal if you only use two cards.

So for the last time I'm explaining this, to get the message clear... you need heaps of GPU performance like 3-way SLI GTX 280 in order to be able to show what the Core i7 can do. Would we have shown GTX 260 in SLI here... the differences would be much smaller as the GPUs can't go any faster.
 

jandlecack

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Seen that. It's part of the reason why I didn't bother upgrading my graphics card to the current models. They are no match for the i7 unless you buy 3 of them, which I am not a fan of, and neither is my wallet. I'm waiting for a beast of a GPU to come out, something like the 8800GTX was back then, and then upgrade.

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Wow that's a big gap between the i7 and the C2Q in tri-SLI, but the said the difference is minimal if you only use two cards.

So for the last time I'm explaining this, to get the message clear... you need heaps of GPU performance like 3-way SLI GTX 280 in order to be able to show what the Core i7 can do. Would we have shown GTX 260 in SLI here... the differences would be much smaller as the GPUs can't go any faster.

It still scales much better with 2xGTX285, it's the raw GPU power that is the deciding factor here, really. A GTX260 is pretty borderline on what I'd consider a powerful GPU these days.
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Wow that's a big gap between the i7 and the C2Q in tri-SLI, but the said the difference is minimal if you only use two cards.

So for the last time I'm explaining this, to get the message clear... you need heaps of GPU performance like 3-way SLI GTX 280 in order to be able to show what the Core i7 can do. Would we have shown GTX 260 in SLI here... the differences would be much smaller as the GPUs can't go any faster.

It's not as if GPUs are getting slower from generation to generation though, and games are now being coded with multiple threads in mind. I don't think it will be long before discrepancies like this will apply to more than just tri/quad GPU setups. If one is buying today, I think the Core i7 is a solid choice if you can afford the price premium.

The choice to upgrade was an easy choice for me because I do a lot of video encoding/transcoding on my main PC, and I like to support Folding@Home. I caught a great deal on the CPU ($199 Microcenter deal for the 920) and RAM (6GB kit from Amazon.com for $60 after MIR), and the premium on the motherboard was worth it to me to have both Crossfire and SLI (I had neither on my previous board) support (it also helped that my Zalman 9500 had a $6 adapter kit available too, so I get to keep my excellent CPU cooler through yet another hardware upgrade). I was able to sell my old hardware (Q9550, P45 Gigabyte board, and 8GB DDR2) off for a decent amount, which minimized my outlay of overall cash.
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: jandlecack
Seen that. It's part of the reason why I didn't bother upgrading my graphics card to the current models. They are no match for the i7 unless you buy 3 of them, which I am not a fan of, and neither is my wallet. I'm waiting for a beast of a GPU to come out, something like the 8800GTX was back then, and then upgrade.

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
Wow that's a big gap between the i7 and the C2Q in tri-SLI, but the said the difference is minimal if you only use two cards.

So for the last time I'm explaining this, to get the message clear... you need heaps of GPU performance like 3-way SLI GTX 280 in order to be able to show what the Core i7 can do. Would we have shown GTX 260 in SLI here... the differences would be much smaller as the GPUs can't go any faster.

It still scales much better with 2xGTX285, it's the raw GPU power that is the deciding factor here, really. A GTX260 is pretty borderline on what I'd consider a powerful GPU these days.

Hmm, I just noticed the comment about the GTX 260 myself. I wonder why they didn't comment on 3-way vs 2-way SLI using the GTX 280?
 

iCyborg

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Originally posted by: Golgatha
The choice to upgrade was an easy choice for me because I do a lot of video encoding/transcoding on my main PC, and I like to support Folding@Home.

Doesn't F&H also benefit more from a powerful GPU than a powerful CPU? I'm sure nVidia's marketing team could explain you that your i7 doesn't make much difference with some numbers.

I agree though with much of what was said in the OP.

 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: dguy6789
Originally posted by: aigomorla


Nvidia cards are expensive as heck, but the drivers and game handling is far better then Anything ATI can dream for.

Link?

lemme find it... i saw a review where both drivers were laid on on Vista, and nvidia had a improvement over the ATI just on driver compatiablity.

Originally posted by: piesquared
[lol whatever dude. You enjoy your i7 at 800x600 where it outruns PhenomII. I'll concede that useless setting at enjoy my PhenomII at a resolution I play at. Where as everyone knows that doesn't have i7 in their sig, AMD's platform is the product of choice. So while i7 has a higher IPC, the platform and infrastructure must not be as efficient as AMD's. Maybe you can explain why i7 falls behind at higher resolution, or maybe you would rather just slough if off again. BTW, that is exactly what Intel said about i7 being as good a second GPU.

Im sorry but your talking to a person whose on a 975 on a classified with Quadfire.
So in my config, my i7 would run laps around a PHII in everything you threw at it, including games.

how about you try to tackle my Furmark score and watch youself get owned when trying on a PHII?

http://i125.photobucket.com/al...igomorla/Capture-2.jpg

Originally posted by: angry hampster

nRollo?

If i was why am i running this?
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1354.jpg

You can see it says Crossfire on my bridge. Yet im endorsing Nvidia? Mabye because Nvidia is better then ATI but cost a lot more?

Dude... u guys want to pick with someone, id say go after someone who has less hardware then i do.

Because i will bring you hardproof to back my statements about hardware.
 

Golgatha

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Originally posted by: iCyborg
Originally posted by: Golgatha
The choice to upgrade was an easy choice for me because I do a lot of video encoding/transcoding on my main PC, and I like to support Folding@Home.

Doesn't F&H also benefit more from a powerful GPU than a powerful CPU? I'm sure nVidia's marketing team could explain you that your i7 doesn't make much difference with some numbers.

I agree though with much of what was said in the OP.

Got me there . I basically meant that it was a nicety to get better numbers from my Core i7 vs the Q9550 I previously owned. If I ran the GPU client, I'm sure my 4870s will do just fine. I use my GPUs for gaming though, and only run Folding@Home on my CPU cores. Folding@Home typically doesn't keep up with ATI/AMD's driver releases, so I keep my contributions coming from the CPU only.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: aigomorla
If i was why am i running this?
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1354.jpg

Dude those are some NICE fat tubes for your LC loops. I love it, such a clean build.

i dont make like disneyland and introduce mickey mouse on my main systems.

That is my 975 D0.

This is the bed which has my 965:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1339.jpg

So yea, you guys are trying to pick a bone with a guy who has both EE processors from intel.

My 975:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/Capture5.jpg

Sorry PHII can only dream for a wprime score that low.

And my 965:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al.../aigomorla/Final-1.jpg

and here is a review that shows i7 dominates with multi gpu cards:
http://www.tomshardware.com/re...re-i7-gaming,2061.html

Still looking for that vista review with drivers...
 

daw123

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: aigomorla
If i was why am i running this?
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1354.jpg

Dude those are some NICE fat tubes for your LC loops. I love it, such a clean build.

i dont make like disneyland and introduce mickey mouse on my main systems.

That is my 975 D0.

This is the bed which has my 965:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1339.jpg

So yea, you guys are trying to pick a bone with a guy who has both EE processors from intel.

My 975:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/Capture5.jpg

Sorry PHII can only dream for a wprime score that low.

And my 965:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al.../aigomorla/Final-1.jpg

and here is a review that shows i7 dominates with multi gpu cards:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/...me-performance-review/

Come on Aigo, you are no. 10 out of the top 400 scores. Surely you can do better than that on your 975 rig

http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/furmark_scores.php

1 Anonymous 51138 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260... Apr 20, 2009
2 Hiltonk 22192 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Sep 18, 2008
3 liquidsnake4... 22173 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Jan 9, 2009
4 hiltonk 22056 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Sep 16, 2008
5 Anonymous 21600 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Apr 1, 2009
6 Eric 21141 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Dec 11, 2008
7 Anonymous 20867 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Jan 15, 2009
8 Kobi Donohue 20554 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Mar 6, 2009
9 topdog 20290 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Apr 12, 2009
10 Naekuh 20269 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Jan 19, 2009
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: daw123
Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: Idontcare
Originally posted by: aigomorla
If i was why am i running this?
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1354.jpg

Dude those are some NICE fat tubes for your LC loops. I love it, such a clean build.

i dont make like disneyland and introduce mickey mouse on my main systems.

That is my 975 D0.

This is the bed which has my 965:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/IMG_1339.jpg

So yea, you guys are trying to pick a bone with a guy who has both EE processors from intel.

My 975:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al...aigomorla/Capture5.jpg

Sorry PHII can only dream for a wprime score that low.

And my 965:
http://i125.photobucket.com/al.../aigomorla/Final-1.jpg

and here is a review that shows i7 dominates with multi gpu cards:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/...me-performance-review/

Come on Aigo, you are no. 10 out of the top 400 scores. Surely you can do better than that on your 975 rig

http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/furmark_scores.php

1 Anonymous 51138 NVIDIA GeForce GTX 260... Apr 20, 2009
2 Hiltonk 22192 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Sep 18, 2008
3 liquidsnake4... 22173 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Jan 9, 2009
4 hiltonk 22056 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Sep 16, 2008
5 Anonymous 21600 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Apr 1, 2009
6 Eric 21141 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Dec 11, 2008
7 Anonymous 20867 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Jan 15, 2009
8 Kobi Donohue 20554 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Mar 6, 2009
9 topdog 20290 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Apr 12, 2009
<<<<<<<10 Naekuh 20269 ATI Radeon HD 4870 X2... Jan 19, 2009

i can but im not a hardcore bencher.

Im more of a reviewer / modder. The wprime and furmark score i posted was because i got challanged by someone and ended up raping the guy. X

Seems like pictures arent enough proof these days...

LOL im ranked 3rd on TPU for Wprime:

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=77369
Quad Core Leaderboard

giorgos th. - Core i7 Extreme 965 5004 MHz - 4.959 sec. - Quickest Core i7
SystemViper - Core i7 920 4578 MHz - 5.366
Naekuh - Core i7 Extreme 965 4629 MHz - 5.484
Yukikaze - 2x Core 2 Extreme QX9775 3800 MHz - 5.531 - Quickest Skulltrail
RA1D - Core i7 Extreme 965 4445 MHz - 5.659
Binge - Core i7 920 4410 MHz - 5.726
DRDNA - Core i7 920 4404 MHz ? 5.804
msgclb - Core i7 Xtreme 965 4350 MHz - 5.819
Chicken Patty - Core i7 920 4344 MHz - 5.872
Jupiter - Core i7 920 4217 MHz - 6.022


Its funny because all you PHII people are tring desperately to find ANYTHING to make yourself feel better for getting a PHII over an I7.

But i said from the start, if your not limited to budget, the PHII doesnt compare. But thats only if you have the wallet to spend.
 

daw123

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Nice Aigo. (I'm not jealous, honestly )

I noticed that there is only one AMD CPU in the top 10 and he's in no. 9. and it says:
'AMD Processor model unknown' running at 3618MHz.

Could be an ES CPU?
 

daw123

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I just noticed in your previous post Aigo, that there is a 920 at 4578MHz (72% o/c) and a 965 at 5004MHz (56% o/c). They are mighty impressive overclocks.

Do you know if they were suicide runs or 24/7 stable at reasonable volts?
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: daw123
I just noticed in your previous post Aigo, that there is a 920 at 4578MHz (72% o/c) and a 965 at 5004MHz (56% o/c). They are mighty impressive overclocks.

Do you know if they were suicide runs or 24/7 stable at reasonable volts?

most likely a suicide.. like how i would never run my chip past 1.5vcore unless i was out for blood on someone.
 

daw123

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: daw123
I just noticed in your previous post Aigo, that there is a 920 at 4578MHz (72% o/c) and a 965 at 5004MHz (56% o/c). They are mighty impressive overclocks.

Do you know if they were suicide runs or 24/7 stable at reasonable volts?

most likely a suicide.. like how i would never run my chip past 1.5vcore unless i was out for blood on someone.

That makes sense, since it's the first time I've seen those chips overclocked that high.
 

jandlecack

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Yea, I'm not extraordinarily impressed considering how easy it is to push to 4GHZ. I didn't even need my multimeter yet.
 

Cogman

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Originally posted by: taltamir
Originally posted by: dguy6789
One thing that curses gamers such as ourselves is that the more we dive into technology, the more imperfections we notice. There was a time when I didn't notice framerate drop and I didn't notice jaggies. 640x480 was plenty. Not anymore. There are some people who find 20fps smooth and enjoyable and there are some people who gag if their frame rate drops below 45.

ah, the plight of the educated . I know it well, oh how it vexes me.

Aye, I look at some of the original videos that I encoded, and they are garbage... It is hard to believe that at one time I found xVid at 1000 kbs enough for SD content...
 

rchiu

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Originally posted by: aigomorla
Originally posted by: piesquared


So what's this all about? Wasn't it Intel spewing garbage about having an i7 being equivalent to a second graphics card....

How conveniently forgotten.

link....

the only time i heard that reference is on a i5 which has a IGP built in.

Im honestly getting tired of all this cross bashing.

I7 is hands down the best cpu period. Im sorry you AMD fans can try to class your AMD with it, when you unleash an i7, its GAME OVERS! PERIOD! No Re, GG, all your bases belong to us scenario.

Id like to say Nvidia makes the best video cards far better then AMD/ATI if you can afford it.

Nvidia cards are expensive as heck, but the drivers and game handling is far better then Anything ATI can dream for.

Nvidia is stupid saying the cpu isnt important, thats like saying the clutch isnt important on a manual stick shift.

Even Game consoles use a form of cpu. If Nvidia wants to be badass, they should make a game system and go against PS3 and Xbox360 to show us that the CPU really isnt that important.

But guess what, the PS3 is a cell processor, while the Xbox360 is a power PC. Wouldnt you think the game consoles would be processorless, yet they all have one.

Adults look at what we need the tool for and then go buy the tool. kids living in mom's basement gets excited about how cool and fancy the tool is and brag about how he has the best tool but do nothing with the tool.

I7 maybe the best CPU hands down for you enthusiasts who oc the system up the wazoo with exotic cooling and superhigh voltage. I am sure the benchmark looks pretty cool with your setup too. But the for the 99% of the population, P2 does everything we need, with cheap flexible mobo choices, and yeap runs any game out there well enough to enjoy the story and the content assuming you use the same high end video cards. Oh and we actually save some money and instead of spending all our time building/benching ur pc, we can actually use that money to take a girl out or something. But hey, yeah sure if PC is all your life, I7 is cool.
 

aigomorla

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Originally posted by: rchiu

I7 maybe the best CPU hands down for you enthusiasts who oc the system up the wazoo with exotic cooling and superhigh voltage. I am sure the benchmark looks pretty cool with your setup too. But the for the 99% of the population, P2 does everything we need, with cheap flexible mobo choices, and yeap runs any game out there well enough to enjoy the story and the content assuming you use the same high end video cards. Oh and we actually save some money and instead of spending all our time building/benching ur pc, we can actually use that money to take a girl out or something. But hey, yeah sure if PC is all your life, I7 is cool.

okey so i need to show you an example without super high voltage?

one guy showed you 4.6ghz @ 1.4vcore, i call that a very good overclock.

i showed you 4.3ghz @ 1.35vcore which i keep for 24/7.

There are plenty of D0's right now ive also seen do 4ghz @ 1.2875vcore which is absolutely insane compared to the C0/C1 but i told you guys all this when i showed off my 975.

And u need to assume theres always people who have a larger budget then you do.
What if i do take girls out and i can afford this hobby to the extent i do?

Gillbot says sometimes my budget is larger then my own stupidy, and if you think about it, human stupidy is kinda high.
 
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