Core i7 a waste of money for gamers, says Nvidia

[Idontcare]

"The CPU is dead! Long live the GPU!...

...all you need is the second-most powerful quad-core CPU available, manufactured on the most recent aggressive process technology available, clocked to a near-TDP limited 3GHz+ and before you know it the PC gaming world belongs to the might GPU!...

Long live the GPU!¹"

¹ Legal Disclosure: GPU superiority over CPU requires consumer to own a top of the line CPU, after which the power and capability of system can only be unleashed by that of the GPU...same with ram, ram make your system operate, just try getting into Vista with your i7 and 128MB of ram...The CPU is dead! Long live the RAM!...er, GPU!

 

[daw123]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
"The CPU is dead! Long live the GPU!...

...all you need is the second-most powerful quad-core CPU available, manufactured on the most recent aggressive process technology available, clocked to a near-TDP limited 3GHz+ and before you know it the PC gaming world belongs to the might GPU!...

Long live the GPU!¹"

¹ Legal Disclosure: GPU superiority over CPU requires consumer to own a top of the line CPU, after which the power and capability of system can only be unleashed by that of the GPU...same with ram, ram make your system operate, just try getting into Vista with your i7 and 128MB of ram...The CPU is dead! Long live the RAM!...er, GPU!

LOL.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
"The CPU is dead! Long live the GPU!...

...all you need is the second-most powerful quad-core CPU available, manufactured on the most recent aggressive process technology available, clocked to a near-TDP limited 3GHz+ and before you know it the PC gaming world belongs to the might GPU!...

Long live the GPU!¹"

¹ Legal Disclosure: GPU superiority over CPU requires consumer to own a top of the line CPU, after which the power and capability of system can only be unleashed by that of the GPU...same with ram, ram make your system operate, just try getting into Vista with your i7 and 128MB of ram...The CPU is dead! Long live the RAM!...er, GPU!

QFT!

IDC needs a nobel for this clause he made up for nvidia.

Or nvidia can always argue.. desktops = DDR3 GPU = GDDR3!! WOOT = power lvl over 9000 on games!

 

[Cheesetogo]

As an i7 owner, I agree.

 

[n7]

nVidia says a lot of things.

Mostly untrue.

 

[ROJAS]

I love mine.

Core I7-920 @ 4.2 Ghz (air cooled)

 

[Cookie Monster]

The most ironic thing about this is how nVIDIA's drivers are multi threaded to take advantage of multiple cores so that they can boost the performance of their GPUs..

 

[Tempered81]

I'd rather have a nice multi gpu i7 975 D0 rig if I could afford it. 4.2Ghz E8400 / Q6600 with crossfire 4830's on a p45 is a nice midrange gaming solution. However, I can still play Unreal tournament on my silent passive intel Atom ($199 dell mini 9). I took it apart, the cpu has a TJmax of 125C and is cooled by direct die contact with a thin plate of sheet metal that houses the keyboard. This metal keyboard housing also contacts the northbridge of the mainboard, and the intel GMA. My brother has quake1 on his $99 Iphone.

 

[Soulkeeper]

I agree with nvidia on this one, but that's just me :0

 

[piesquared]

So what's this all about? Wasn't it Intel spewing garbage about having an i7 being equivalent to a second graphics card....

How conveniently forgotten.

 

[aigomorla]

Originally posted by: piesquared


So what's this all about? Wasn't it Intel spewing garbage about having an i7 being equivalent to a second graphics card....

How conveniently forgotten.

link....

the only time i heard that reference is on a i5 which has a IGP built in.

Im honestly getting tired of all this cross bashing.

I7 is hands down the best cpu period. Im sorry you AMD fans can try to class your AMD with it, when you unleash an i7, its GAME OVERS! PERIOD! No Re, GG, all your bases belong to us scenario.

Id like to say Nvidia makes the best video cards far better then AMD/ATI if you can afford it.

Nvidia cards are expensive as heck, but the drivers and game handling is far better then Anything ATI can dream for.

Nvidia is stupid saying the cpu isnt important, thats like saying the clutch isnt important on a manual stick shift.

Even Game consoles use a form of cpu. If Nvidia wants to be badass, they should make a game system and go against PS3 and Xbox360 to show us that the CPU really isnt that important.

But guess what, the PS3 is a cell processor, while the Xbox360 is a power PC. Wouldnt you think the game consoles would be processorless, yet they all have one.

 

[dguy6789]

Originally posted by: aigomorla


Nvidia cards are expensive as heck, but the drivers and game handling is far better then Anything ATI can dream for.

Link?

 

[jandlecack]

Originally posted by: Flipped Gazelle
Could someone please explain to me what is so "off" about this statement by Nvidia? I've seen benchmarks from AT and Alien Bable Tech that, for the most part, back up what Nvidia is saying.

Core i7 scales much better in real world gaming performance with a multi-GPU setup than a smaller processor would (namely any Core2Duo or even Core2Quad).

He is stating that you could buy an SLI rig with an older processor for much less money, yet especially when you're running that SLI rig with a Core i7, it will blow the Core2 out of the water, no contest.

 

[piesquared]

Originally posted by: aigomorla

Originally posted by: piesquared


So what's this all about? Wasn't it Intel spewing garbage about having an i7 being equivalent to a second graphics card....

How conveniently forgotten.

link....

the only time i heard that reference is on a i5 which has a IGP built in.

Im honestly getting tired of all this cross bashing.

I7 is hands down the best cpu period. Im sorry you AMD fans can try to class your AMD with it, when you unleash an i7, its GAME OVERS! PERIOD! No Re, GG, all your bases belong to us scenario.

Id like to say Nvidia makes the best video cards far better then AMD/ATI if you can afford it.

Nvidia cards are expensive as heck, but the drivers and game handling is far better then Anything ATI can dream for.

Nvidia is stupid saying the cpu isnt important, thats like saying the clutch isnt important on a manual stick shift.

Even Game consoles use a form of cpu. If Nvidia wants to be badass, they should make a game system and go against PS3 and Xbox360 to show us that the CPU really isnt that important.

But guess what, the PS3 is a cell processor, while the Xbox360 is a power PC. Wouldnt you think the game consoles would be processorless, yet they all have one.

lol whatever dude. You enjoy your i7 at 800x600 where it outruns PhenomII. I'll concede that useless setting at enjoy my PhenomII at a resolution I play at. Where as everyone knows that doesn't have i7 in their sig, AMD's platform is the product of choice. So while i7 has a higher IPC, the platform and infrastructure must not be as efficient as AMD's. Maybe you can explain why i7 falls behind at higher resolution, or maybe you would rather just slough if off again. BTW, that is exactly what Intel said about i7 being as good a second GPU.

 

[2March]

never mind

posting error

 

[jandlecack]

Originally posted by: piesquared
lol whatever dude. You enjoy your i7 at 800x600 where it outruns PhenomII. I'll concede that useless setting at enjoy my PhenomII at a resolution I play at. Where as everyone knows that doesn't have i7 in their sig, AMD's platform is the product of choice. So while i7 has a higher IPC, the platform and infrastructure must not be as efficient as AMD's. Maybe you can explain why i7 falls behind at higher resolution, or maybe you would rather just slough if off again. BTW, that is exactly what Intel said about i7 being as good a second GPU.

AMD's current chips are only the choice if you're satisfied with their performance. Core i7s are faster, hands down. The i7 920 outruns the new PH2 955 BE 40% of the time according to reviews. The Core i7 chips overclock far better than the PH2s. If you aren't after highest scores, then I suppose the PH2 platform offers a better "bang for your buck".

Otherwise, the i7 is the better chip. This is coming from someone who owned AMD platforms all his life up until now by the way.

Also, I'd like to see the Core i7 fall behind a PHII by more than 3% in any sort of gaming benchmark when there is no GPU limitation. I've seen some 955 BE benches where the GPU clearly limited, which is evident by the fact that the i7 drastically outperforms any PHII chip at low resolutions (where normally the CPU limits).

Try running a 955 BE with two GTX295's and compare it to a Core i7 920 at stock speeds with the same graphics cards. My bet is on the i7 coming out on top.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: jandlecack

Originally posted by: piesquared
lol whatever dude. You enjoy your i7 at 800x600 where it outruns PhenomII. I'll concede that useless setting at enjoy my PhenomII at a resolution I play at. Where as everyone knows that doesn't have i7 in their sig, AMD's platform is the product of choice. So while i7 has a higher IPC, the platform and infrastructure must not be as efficient as AMD's. Maybe you can explain why i7 falls behind at higher resolution, or maybe you would rather just slough if off again. BTW, that is exactly what Intel said about i7 being as good a second GPU.

AMD's current chips are only the choice if you're satisfied with their performance.

Echos my thoughts as well. If PhII is the product of choice it would only be because people aren't willing to pay for the product they really want...an i7 slotted into a rig OC'ed at 4GHz+.

My product of choice would be a 975 i7, but I'm typing this post from my QX6700 rig because I'm not willing to spend $, not because I teh luvs my hot-ass-hell B3 stepping QX6700...

But for the price/performance, and the absolute performance, a PhII rig is a pretty darn buy when you throw in the right GPU(s).

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: aigomorla


link....

the only time i heard that reference is on a i5 which has a IGP built in.

Im honestly getting tired of all this cross bashing.

I7 is hands down the best cpu period. Im sorry you AMD fans can try to class your AMD with it, when you unleash an i7, its GAME OVERS! PERIOD! No Re, GG, all your bases belong to us scenario.

Id like to say Nvidia makes the best video cards far better then AMD/ATI if you can afford it.

Nvidia cards are expensive as heck, but the drivers and game handling is far better then Anything ATI can dream for.

Nvidia is stupid saying the cpu isnt important, thats like saying the clutch isnt important on a manual stick shift.

Even Game consoles use a form of cpu. If Nvidia wants to be badass, they should make a game system and go against PS3 and Xbox360 to show us that the CPU really isnt that important.

But guess what, the PS3 is a cell processor, while the Xbox360 is a power PC. Wouldnt you think the game consoles would be processorless, yet they all have one.

nRollo?

 

[jandlecack]

Originally posted by: Idontcare
Echos my thoughts as well. If PhII is the product of choice it would only be because people aren't willing to pay for the product they really want...an i7 slotted into a rig OC'ed at 4GHz+.

My product of choice would be a 975 i7, but I'm typing this post from my QX6700 rig because I'm not willing to spend $, not because I teh luvs my hot-ass-hell B3 stepping QX6700...

But for the price/performance, and the absolute performance, a PhII rig is a pretty darn buy when you throw in the right GPU(s).

Yep. The fact that there are faster chips out there, does not mean that the PH2 is not a great chip and currently probably the best price/performance out of the box. However, if you need or want the fastest chip available then it's clear you should go with the i7. That's not even just game related. I do a lot of encoding and program my own as well as run multithreaded applications for University in Java and C++, therefore the Core i7 is a gift from the gods to me.

 

[Idontcare]

Originally posted by: angry hampster
nRollo?

You would do yourself a favor to not antagonize moderators by referring to their posts as nRollo...it doesn't really add value to the thread when you do it and about all you accomplish is drawing the wrong kind of attention to yourself.

 

[angry hampster]

Originally posted by: Idontcare

Originally posted by: angry hampster
nRollo?

You would do yourself a favor to not antagonize moderators by referring to their posts as nRollo...it doesn't really add value to the thread when you do it and about all you accomplish is drawing the wrong kind of attention to yourself.

It's just funny seeing a moderator who's not moderate.

 

[xCxStylex]

Seriously? :Q

I'm not saying you're lying or anything, but different people have different perceptions of "smooth and playable." Some people are fine at 30, some bitch when its less than 60 or 70.

I have an E8400 OCed a little bit and an 8800gs/9600 GSO. I get like 40-50 frames at 1280x800 at medium settings with 2xAA, so I was wondering if my CPU is bottle necked by my video card?

Originally posted by: venkman
I'm playing Crysis at 1920x1080 with everything set to very high and 8x AA and it is very smooth and playable with nary a dropped frame. I don't know what my exact FPS are, but I don't really care. Oh year, I'm running this on an E4300 at Stock along with a Radeon 4890.

 

[dguy6789]

One thing that curses gamers such as ourselves is that the more we dive into technology, the more imperfections we notice. There was a time when I didn't notice framerate drop and I didn't notice jaggies. 640x480 was plenty. Not anymore. There are some people who find 20fps smooth and enjoyable and there are some people who gag if their frame rate drops below 45.

 

[taltamir]

Originally posted by: dguy6789
One thing that curses gamers such as ourselves is that the more we dive into technology, the more imperfections we notice. There was a time when I didn't notice framerate drop and I didn't notice jaggies. 640x480 was plenty. Not anymore. There are some people who find 20fps smooth and enjoyable and there are some people who gag if their frame rate drops below 45.

ah, the plight of the educated . I know it well, oh how it vexes me.

 

[Golgatha]

Hmm...this was worth resurrecting this thread.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/...-performance-review/19

Apparently, if the application is coded well and you have a multi-GPU setup; the Core i7 isn't such a waste of money. There are at least three cases I've linked to above where a faster CPU would do a lot more than adding another GPU.

The other thing worth noting is that the Core i7 demographic would probably be interested in dual or tri-GPU setups, so getting the best CPU to pair with the multiple GPUs would be a very smart choice.