Originally posted by: faxon
lol i love how there is still no reply from corsair on this
guys is it just me or are you running your TRUE without a fan in push? it's blatantly obvious at 37 seconds and 55 seconds into the video that the cooler is a TRUE, and it becomes even more apparent after looking at it for about half a second that it doesnt have a fan mounted on it in push AT ALL. someone care to explain this?
and why ooh WHY didnt you guys use linpack or OCCT in some form or another for your testing?
what rubycon mentioned. i was to steamed about their test setup being so suck to begin with that i didnt even think to notice that they were using 2 different CPUs to test each cooler. sounds like the one in the air cooled system could do 4.4GHz easily on a properly set up air cooler (megahalems anyone?) with a proper fan in push at the very least.
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
It's very odd to me how people make assumptions and take off on some sort tangent based on what is obviously a low tech humorous video. People have come to conclusions based on these incorrect assumptions.
It seems some sort of reply is expected so, here goes.
guys is it just me or are you running your TRUE without a fan in push? it's blatantly obvious at 37 seconds and 55 seconds into the video that the cooler is a TRUE, and it becomes even more apparent after looking at it for about half a second that it doesnt have a fan mounted on it in push AT ALL. someone care to explain this?
There is a fan on the TRUE. This is a low res video. You need to look a bit closer before stating that we would do something that stupid. And, TRUEs CAN be bought with a fan, please look at the TR site before running off and claiming we didn't use one, etc etc etc. It's the TR-FDB-12-1000.
This is a short video meant to generate product interest in a humorous way. I'd think that most people would pick up on that since we included zombies and gave the thread here an absurd title. This was supposed to be fun.
It's impossible to present all the testing done or the methodology used in a short video like this. But, there are more incorrect assumptions here that need to be curbed aside from the erroneous "fact" that TRUEs can't be bought with fans.
and why ooh WHY didnt you guys use linpack or OCCT in some form or another for your testing?
Who says we didn't? You certainly can't deduce our complete testing methodology from this video.
what rubycon mentioned. i was to steamed about their test setup being so suck to begin with that i didnt even think to notice that they were using 2 different CPUs to test each cooler. sounds like the one in the air cooled system could do 4.4GHz easily on a properly set up air cooler (megahalems anyone?) with a proper fan in push at the very least.
Yes, the systems in the video were 2 IDENTICAL systems and they were shown in this video for visual purposes side by side to represent a head to head test. They were our show systems from Computex. What you can't see is that the coolers were swapped between both systems shown and even more in the lab to accomodate some of the anomolies between any 2 identical pieces of equipment. There's been an immense amount of testing done before we ever released this product.
The real thing to keep in mind here is that this product is OBVIOUSLY not aimed at the DIY or accomplished water cooling user. But, it is a valid product in its price range. If you don't like the product or the video, that's fine, move on. But, there's no need to try to stroke your ego by slamming us based on bunch of info that you got wrong.
I always welcome and encourage discussion. So, if there is something you need, just ask before hurling the bricks.
EDIT: It's amazing what a little Googling will do.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19073&page=1
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
EDIT: It's amazing what a little Googling will do.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19073&page=1
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
EDIT: It's amazing what a little Googling will do.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19073&page=1
I take most reviews with a grain of salt anymore. Many times the people reviewing are given the products to review free of charge so many will not give an honest review for fear of losing future freebies.
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
Originally posted by: Gillbot
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
EDIT: It's amazing what a little Googling will do.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19073&page=1
I take most reviews with a grain of salt anymore. Many times the people reviewing are given the products to review free of charge so many will not give an honest review for fear of losing future freebies.
If you'd like to accuse Tarinder or Hexus of that, take it up with them please.
Aigomorla, I don't have all the info you've requested here but I can get it. In the future if you need something from Corsair, come to me please. Don't rely on some third party vendor and don't slam us for being unresponsive when you have not asked for anything directly from us.
Have you actually looked for a picture of the block? There's one on our site and in every review I've seen: http://www.corsair.com/products/h50/h50_copper.jpg
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
Have you actually looked for a picture of the block? There's one on our site and in every review I've seen: http://www.corsair.com/products/h50/h50_copper.jpg
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
and why ooh WHY didnt you guys use linpack or OCCT in some form or another for your testing?
Who says we didn't? You certainly can't deduce our complete testing methodology from this video.
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
Have you actually looked for a picture of the block? There's one on our site and in every review I've seen: http://www.corsair.com/products/h50/h50_copper.jpg
Originally posted by: Yellowbeard
guys is it just me or are you running your TRUE without a fan in push? it's blatantly obvious at 37 seconds and 55 seconds into the video that the cooler is a TRUE, and it becomes even more apparent after looking at it for about half a second that it doesnt have a fan mounted on it in push AT ALL. someone care to explain this?
There is a fan on the TRUE. This is a low res video. You need to look a bit closer before stating that we would do something that stupid. And, TRUEs CAN be bought with a fan, please look at the TR site before running off and claiming we didn't use one, etc etc etc. It's the TR-FDB-12-1000.
EDIT: It's amazing what a little Googling will do.
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=19073&page=1
Originally posted by: Barbarossa
Hey guys, Redbeard here. (well, Redbeard was taken on Anandtech when I registered a few years ago so I chose Barbarossa, which is Italian for Redbeard...)
I'm the PM on the case and cooling products, and I think the point of the H50 is being misunderstood.
The H50 is not designed to be a great watercooling solution. It's designed to compete with high end aircooling. We could have included a copper radiator, a more intricate coldplate, a higher flow pump, etc, but that would have driven the price higher.
This is designed to sell for about $70 street price, which means that it's competitive with things like the TRUE, Noctua, Titan, Baram, etc. It's not designed to put your high-end watercooling kit out of business.
We know that for cooling a Core i7, this is probably one of the best coolers in the world at the price point.
If you want to spend $50 more, you can probably beat it. If you want to spend $100 more, you can build your own watercooling loop and beat it. We would never claim otherwise.
But I think we should keep a bit of perspective on our intended goal. Calling the H50 "crap" because it doesn't outperform a watercooling kit that costs more than twice as much is a bit like calling a $25,000 car crap because it doesn't outperform a $50,000 car.
Originally posted by: faxon
i think the idea is that people are calling it crap exactly because it only performs with high end air cooling. most places i have seen are charging $20-30 more for it than a TRUE or a megahalems though depending on where you look for both, which brings up the ultimate question of if there is any purpose to it. the answer would be of course there is, there are a good few situations where i could see using this unit (lanbox comes to mind), but in the vast majority of situations, most people would opt for the cheaper air cooling instead. now, in the future im sure the price will eventually come down...
Originally posted by: faxon
the big issue at hand here is that most of the time most watercooling prebuilt kits or loops suck for the money (better spent on cheap air or custom loop), and there IS a demand for kits that are worth their price tags. given, there are a few kits out there which you wouldnt do bad to use, but most of them are from boutique dealers or custom built by small companies in shop (danger den comes to mind). If the water cooling crowd is to gain traction in the mainstream market, they want to see a kit you can buy, for say $150-200, which is better than any air cooling by a big enough margin to warrant the price, easy to maintain, and is offered by a major vendor (like corsair) which has the business model to support it, market it, and all in all get it into customers hands so it is worth it to keep producing.
the i want to try every interesting new product side of me talking: now i want to get a microATX board and case just so i can put my e5200 + HD4670 in a lanbox so i can test out how this thing would work out in that type of setting. usually most tower coolers just DO NOT fit in a box designed to fit inside a large backpack, but i dont lan much anymore either, so doing this will be up for debate until a later date lol
Originally posted by: Barbarossa
Originally posted by: faxon
i think the idea is that people are calling it crap exactly because it only performs with high end air cooling. most places i have seen are charging $20-30 more for it than a TRUE or a megahalems though depending on where you look for both, which brings up the ultimate question of if there is any purpose to it. the answer would be of course there is, there are a good few situations where i could see using this unit (lanbox comes to mind), but in the vast majority of situations, most people would opt for the cheaper air cooling instead. now, in the future im sure the price will eventually come down...
Well, in our internal testing it outperformed every high end aircooler we tested in the majority of cases. Sometimes by 1-2 degrees, sometimes by 10 degrees or more.
We started the project to create the world's best ~$70 cooler. Not watercooler, not aircooler, but all around cooler. I think we did that. I don't think there's a product that's significantly better in our price range.
We know that our best performance is in a typical computer case with standard cooling design, not in a super high airflow case like the HAF 932 or something. But we also know that there are a lot of people out there who don't feel comfortable with nearly 3 Lbs of heatsink hanging off their $400 motherboard and $300 CPU, dangling precariously above their $400 video card.
We also know there are a lot of people concerned about the size of the giant heatpipe tower coolers, and we are targeting this demographic.
We have a lighter, smaller, better performing solution and I think it will do quite well. Pricing will calm down as orders get filled - right now we're still hustling to fill backlog. Demand has been very strong.
I never expected everybody to like it - there's no way to get 100% of you guys to agree on anything. Trust me, I'm one of you, and sometimes I disagree with the posts I read on this forum (and others) so much I have to log out and close the window before I type something that'll get me fired.
But I think it's a really good cooler for most people - it's not going to set any records, but I think it redefines the performance you can expect from low-priced watercooling and it opens up options for fans of high-end aircoolers.