Corsair quality seems to have dropped quite a bit, which brand is a good replacement?

yacoub

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So reading reviews on NewEgg for Corsair PSUs like the HX750i and AX760, it seems Corsair's quality has really fallen with many DOA units or ones that die within weeks or months of first setting it up. This is nothing like the historic quality of Corsair PSUs that I've had the pleasure of using in my builds for the past decade or so.

Like most of you, I don't have time to mess around with RMAs and problems.

So what brands are now the rock-solid, reliable, high-quality (gold/platinum), modular, quiet fan PSUs today?
 

SparkyJJO

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I have not paid too close attention for a while. I'm still running my HX620 I got in 2007. Wow, 8 years. I didn't realize it had been that long.
 

Essence_of_War

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So reading reviews on NewEgg for Corsair PSUs like the HX750i and AX760, it seems Corsair's quality has really fallen with many DOA units or ones that die within weeks or months of first setting it up. This is nothing like the historic quality of Corsair PSUs that I've had the pleasure of using in my builds for the past decade or so.

Like most of you, I don't have time to mess around with RMAs and problems.

So what brands are now the rock-solid, reliable, high-quality (gold/platinum), modular, quiet fan PSUs today?

Newegg reviews are mostly garbage and I wouldn't make any of purchasing decisions based on them.

Have you looked at the reviews actual reviewers are giving their units? If anything JohnnyGuru and others seem to indicate that quality is actually increasing! In particular, their partnership with CWT seems to have caused CWT to dramatically step-up their quality game on the recent Corsair units that they OEM.

The RM850i got a 9.9
The RM750i got a 9.7
The entry level 850M got an 8, but that's largely because the MSRP is high (see the separate build quality, performance, functionality, value scores)
 

yacoub

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So I should trust possibly incentivized/paid/cherry-picked reviews over actual customer reviews? I dunno, that's the opposite advice of what's usually given these days.

I just know that Corsair made rock-solid PSUs in the 2000s and early 2010s, but lately it seems the quality has started to be hit or miss. I almost never used to read customer reviews where people reported their PSUs being DOA or dying quickly. Corsair PSUs were simply that good. They were high quality.

Now I look at reviews and maybe 15% or more are reporting dead or quickly dying units. That's a significant drop in quality. Maybe it's related to them switching to CWT as their OEM. Dunno. But a 15% chance of a dead PSU is a lot higher than it used to be for Corsair.

It also shouldn't require stepping up to the top-line series to get reliable quality. Corsair never used to be like that. Their mid-range were extremely solid and even their entry level models for the first few years were solid as well.

So who else makes good PSUs? Maybe someone newer to the market that has to prove themselves and is putting the extra quality into their products that Corsair used to. Who's the next Corsair of PSUs?
 

nsafreak

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JonnyGuru does not do cherry picked or paid reviews as far as I'm aware, and I would attribute a lot of the jump to folks entering the DIY scene for the first time as there's been an increase of new builders over the past 3-4 years. Frankly I give zero creedence to newegg reviews, too many folks that don't have the slightest clue as to what they're doing when it comes to PC assembly even as simple as it is. But if you absolutely must have another PSU maker I would go with Seasonic, they also make PSUs for eVGA, XFX and Antec.
 

WhoBeDaPlaya

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+1 If it's positively endorsed on JonnyGuru's (either reviews or the forums), I'm comfortable using that PSU.
 

cruzinforit

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15% of reviews reporting DOA != 15% DOA rate. More like .15% at most. Corsair PSUs are fine. Not my first choice, but there is nothing wrong with them.
 

Essence_of_War

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So I should trust possibly incentivized/paid/cherry-picked reviews over actual customer reviews? I dunno, that's the opposite advice of what's usually given these days.

But you should trust reviews from people who may or may not know ANYTHING whatsoever about PSUs? That seems highly dubious.

What fraction of people who use a product and have a positive experience with it leave a newegg review? What fraction who have a negative experience leave a negative review? What is the knowledge level of these consumers? Do they actually know anything about power supplies? Do they know how to assess the quality of a unit beyond "my pc turned on" or "my pc didn't turn on"?


I just know that Corsair made rock-solid PSUs in the 2000s and early 2010s, but lately it seems the quality has started to be hit or miss. I almost never used to read customer reviews where people reported their PSUs being DOA or dying quickly. Corsair PSUs were simply that good. They were high quality.
And how did you come to that conclusion? A highly rigorous sampling of newegg reviews? Your own vague recollections from 5+ years ago versus the reviews you're reading now? I don't know how you could possibly assess objectively whether or not quality has increased or decreased without rigorously checking DOA rates (hint: self-reporting is not rigorous, and I doubt Corsair would share their internal data on that with you as it is pretty clearly a trade secret) or physically opening up units and rigorously testing them.

It also shouldn't require stepping up to the top-line series to get reliable quality. Corsair never used to be like that. Their mid-range were extremely solid and even their entry level models for the first few years were solid as well.
So what brands are now the rock-solid, reliable, high-quality (gold/platinum), modular, quiet fan PSUs today?
You're not describing entry-level powers supplies. You don't get "rock-solid" + 80+ Gold and Plat (and btw, high-quality and 80+ rating do not always mean the same thing), modular, and quiet/hybrid fan mode on entry-level units. All of those things cost serious money to the manufacturers and they just cannot presently sell those at entry level prices.

You ARE describing the RM units I linked to. They're 80+ Gold, they're extremely well-built (check out those scope-shots!), they're fully modular, AND they have hybrid fan modes where neither unit spin up their fans until ~400W load.

My advice is to read reviews written by people who know what they're talking about, and who demonstrate that by actually testing units according to things like their compliance with the ATX spec. Their performance under real loads at real temperatures. Find which PSUs do well. Find which OEMs, and even better, which particular OEM platforms make up those well-reviewed units, and shop those platforms.

Here are some suggestions:

SeaSonic is a perennial high-quality OEM and many brands use their platforms. Corsair uses SeaSonic designs on their TX and previous HX series, XFX uses SeaSonix units for their Pro-series. Seasonic also retails their own units under their own brand.

Super Flower OEMs a ton of units for EVGA's Supernova series. Virtually every unit in the Supernova line-up has received glowing reviews.

Flextronics has made a handful of glowingly reviewed high-end units like the Corsair AX series.

Delta is a big-name server PSU maker, and they are the OEM for most (if not all?) of Antec's excellently reviewed HCP series.
 

Torn Mind

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If the PSU works, chances are that the user will not make the effort to go to Newegg or anywhere else since everything worked "as it should".

Whereas, the result of a dud will prompt the user to vent out his frustration that the product was one of those unlucky ones.

A bad solder joint here or there could very well wreck the entire PSU. No manufacturing process can be 100% perfect in that regard, so it is likely companies aim for a high 90ish% failure rate.

Corsair does not own its production facilities, but they have some control over the design of the PSU. But the Corsair-labelled units are coming out of another company's factor. In their high-end PSU, that could be Seasonic.
 

MongGrel

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JonnyGuru does not do cherry picked or paid reviews as far as I'm aware, and I would attribute a lot of the jump to folks entering the DIY scene for the first time as there's been an increase of new builders over the past 3-4 years. Frankly I give zero creedence to newegg reviews, too many folks that don't have the slightest clue as to what they're doing when it comes to PC assembly even as simple as it is. But if you absolutely must have another PSU maker I would go with Seasonic, they also make PSUs for eVGA, XFX and Antec.


+1 If it's positively endorsed on JonnyGuru's (either reviews or the forums), I'm comfortable using that PSU.

+10

I used to talk to Oklahoma Wolf now and again.

Good guy.

I usually use Antecs myself, and a lot of those are Seasonic or Delta built to begin with.
 
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Seba

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But you should trust reviews from people who may or may not know ANYTHING whatsoever about PSUs? That seems highly dubious.
In fact it is not the users reviews that he trust, but users reports on power supply failures.

Johnny Guru and other review sites do not test power supply endurance. This is where users reports come in handy (since the manufacturers do not disclose the failure rate of their products).
 
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rchunter

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I have not paid too close attention for a while. I'm still running my HX620 I got in 2007. Wow, 8 years. I didn't realize it had been that long.

We've got 3 of the 620's running here still. AFAIK these are rebranded seasonic's. We also have about 5 of the newer HX units made be CWT. They've all been great.
 

billyb0b

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never had an issue with corsair's quality. last thing i bought that was corsair was the AX1200 a few years back. have a lot of corsair stuff in several pc's around the house
 

nitromullet

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Not a fan of the CWT OEM units. Multiple RMA's on a previous HX1000 PSU.

I have to say that PSU RMA ranks up there with one of the most annoying components to have to replace due to failure. The second time I just kept my modular cables in the PC, which made the whole process a lot easier.

My Seasonic OEM AX850 has been rock solid though, and Corsair's service is second to none in my book.
 

Muse

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HOOfan 1

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I doubt their quality has dropped. They are shipping a lot more units, which means more will fail. Of the people who get perfect units, how many of them do you think go and write a review, versus the number of people who got bad units writing a review.

As for the PSU testers not doing longevity tests. The reviewers usually take the best units they review and put them in their own systems.
 

Puffnstuff

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Corsair is my go to company for memory and power supplies and their quality is as high as ever.
 

Tsavo

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I got three working SeaSonic power supplies and no coil whine.

I have an old Corsair branded Seasonic 650 something that would howl with an ATI 4850 in it. 15 minutes and a few globs of hot glue later, and the problem was fixed. It would only howl with the 4850 in it.

Other than that, I've been using Seasonics for many years and have had no other problems with them.
 

MagickMan

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Go by JG and TPU reviews and ignore Newegg's customer comments, most are by idiots who cause their own problems.
 
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