Costa Rica, Malay, blah blah...but what about...

[aggressor]

Made in Philippines?

I just recieved my 2.6c, pack date is 06\05\2003, FPO\Batch#: 7319A185

I've never heard of anyone getting one of these, wonder how it will overclock...

 

[Wingznut]

My take on it: Northwood: The myth of Costa Rica vs Malaysia

pm's take on it: Intel CPU Markings (ie. Malay vs. Costa Rica)

The same thing applies to "Made in Philippines".

 

[aggressor]

Thanks for the response, but my personal (and more than a few others) experience since the 300A days shows that Malays generally overclock better.

I know you and PM working for Intel is supposed to give you credit, but I view this as the same as if an nVidia employee came here and said they did not cheat in 3DMark 03

 

[Wingznut]

First off, you need to keep in mind that manufacturing today is very much different than in the "300A days".

Second off, I'm not denying any "cheating", so my and pm's views on where the cpu is packaged is incredibly different than your nVidia analogy. In a very indirict way, you are accusing us of not speaking the truth. What benefit is there to us to do that?

Third, believe what you want. I cannot control that. If you can somehow justify that packaging the cpu has some sort of effect (in 2003) on overclocking, I'd be curious to hear it.

 

[aggressor]

I never said you were cheating. It's more like you work for the company, and that can skew things. You could simply be doing what you think is best for Intel as a company. I didn't mean to insult you with the comparsion, I'm just skeptical when it comes to such things.

As to why you might not want people thinking Malays are better...I know you guys don't like companies charging more for Malay chips. You and I both know that if you came and posted that Malays were indeed "different" (different defined however you want), and that they may affect overclocks, companies (and websites such as this) would plaster it all over. You would pretty much back up what people already think, leaving little to no doubt.

The result of that is people would feel cheated if they recieved a Costa Rica if they just bought a non-hand picked CPU, and try to RMA it to the company they bought it from or Intel themselves to try to get a "special" Malay. The other side is companies would make extra money per "Malay" chip sold since they were more expensive.

I don't know exactly how it all works with Intel\Companies selling CPUs, but the above seems possible to me.

I'm sure all chips are created equal at their stock speeds, but overclocking wise...I'm not so sure.

Hey, I might be totally wrong, but my past experience is what I value the most, and right now it says Malay's tend to overclock better

 

[redhatlinux]

Don't forget that Retail O/C much better than OEM. Why, cause Retail are cut from the center of the wafer, much better chips. Silly old Dell will buy all the flakey OEM chips from the outer edge of the wafer .... LOL, yep somebody actually believed this.

Course it could be the radical particles present only in Costa Rico that are trapped in the package and cause a slow degredation of the chip ??

Or it could be that the physical handling and testing is better in Malaysia, a possibility ??

 

[aggressor]

Well, given how I don't know anything other than what Wingznut or pm say about the process, I can't say what makes them different. It could be plenty of things. Either way, I've seen plenty of messageboards that say Malay is better (Along with overclocking results of various people), which follows with my own opinion.

Honestly, I don't believe the overclocking community would make a rumor like this (And have it running THIS long, we are talking years) if it wasn't at least partially true.

As for the OEM vs Retail....hey, I don't believe it either, but I've never owned an OEM chip, so I cannot say I'm 100% positive

 

[Ketchup]

There is no difference in these chips except for where they are packaged. They are all made at the same place, God bless America. Aggressor, I find it interesting that you obviously listen to every two-bit reviewer that says a chip packaged in Malaysia overclocks better/worse than a chip packaged in the Philippines, but you don't believe the one person here who knows better than anyone else what he is talking about.

 

[aggressor]

I never said anything about "2-bit reviewers" or any good site like this one when it comes to overclocking. I'm talking about the community who overclocks the hell out of these CPUs.

Also, who says Wingznut knows everything that goes on? Has he been to each packaging plant? Has he gone out and bought retail CPUs and attempted to overclock them like plenty of hardcore users have? I am sure at stock speeds all processors run just fine

I started this thread because I found it odd that I got a Philippines P4C processor, and that no one else here has mentioned getting one packaged from that place (and something like Malay\Costa Rica is indeed mentioned a lot).

 

[screw3d]

Originally posted by: aggressor
I never said anything about "2-bit reviewers" or any good site like this one when it comes to overclocking. I'm talking about the community who overclocks the hell out of these CPUs.

Also, who says Wingznut knows everything that goes on? Has he been to each packaging plant? Has he gone out and bought retail CPUs and attempted to overclock them like plenty of hardcore users have? I am sure at stock speeds all processors run just fine

I started this thread because I found it odd that I got a Philippines P4C processor, and that no one else here has mentioned getting one packaged from that place (and something like Malay\Costa Rica is indeed mentioned a lot).

Gawd. Look at wingznut's sig! If there's anyone I wanna listen to, it's him!

 

[aggressor]

Hey, you can listen to whoever you want

Personally, I'll stick with what works for me (and what seems to be others as well).

 

[orion7144]

I used to work there too and I can say that packaging has "almost" nothing to do with OC'ing. Particles aren't going to kill a die in packaging (find a site about how a wafer is made and see for yourself). OC'ing all depends on the wafer the die came from. What should be talked about more is what FAB the chip was made in and not were it was packaged.

 

[bgeh]

first of all, I am a Malaysian. secondly, it does seem the Malaysia P4 chips overclock better. i don't know the reason why, but imo, it's the quality of the packaging that counts. maybe Intel Malaysia has more testing facilities there?
btw, noticed something strange here..... Malaysians usually get Philippines chips......

 

[pm]

Make sure you get the lucky rabbits foot out and jiggle it over the CPU before you put the heatsink on. It will have about as much effect as using the packaging plant as the basis for die quality.

It's threads like these that often make me wonder why I bother.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: pm
Make sure you get the lucky rabbits foot out and jiggle it over the CPU before you put the heatsink on. It will have about as much effect as using the packaging plant as the basis for die quality.

It's threads like these that often make me wonder why I bother.

Cheer up man! I've learned scads from reading your posts, particularly in the highly technical forum so don't lose hope, you are getting through to some of us

 

[JimMc]

Not to interject some facts or anything, but out of curioisty I checked the overclockers.com database just for grins. I used the 2.4C as it had the only fairly large number of CPU's.

The 2.4C had 30 entries, 9 Costa RIcans and 21 Malays. The average overclock was (drumroll, please): Costa RIca, 3.261 Ghz; Malay, 3.265 Ghz.

FWIW....

 

[Tom]

"Honestly, I don't believe the overclocking community would make a rumor like this (And have it running THIS long, we are talking years) if it wasn't at least partially true."

These discussions have been nothing but crap since the beginning, including the 300a. It only takes one or two people spreading stuff like this to create a buzz, which leads to mass hysteria based on nothing.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Dead Parrot Sketch
"Honestly, I don't believe the overclocking community would make a rumor like this (And have it running THIS long, we are talking years) if it wasn't at least partially true."

These discussions have been nothing but crap since the beginning, including the 300a. It only takes one or two people spreading stuff like this to create a buzz, which leads to mass hysteria based on nothing.

I agree, FUD abounds in the enthusiast community :disgust:

The whole "burn in" mythos which I consider to be impossible to get rid of is a prime example. Unfortunately for whatever reason some CPUs do seem to perform better after performing the "magical burn in" and this just converts more to the cult despite well published technical explanations for why it's nonsense. I've had CPUs that seem to adhere to the myth but I know it was some other variable at play but some will just not listen to reason and rely on results obtained by very unscientific methodology

This thread is just another example of the Urban legends of the overclockers' community.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: JimMc
Not to interject some facts or anything, but out of curioisty I checked the overclockers.com database just for grins. I used the 2.4C as it had the only fairly large number of CPU's.

The 2.4C had 30 entries, 9 Costa RIcans and 21 Malays. The average overclock was (drumroll, please): Costa RIca, 3.261 Ghz; Malay, 3.265 Ghz.

Well, I stand corrected... I guess the cpu's packaged in Malaysia are better.

 

[JimMc]

 

[orion7144]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: JimMc
Not to interject some facts or anything, but out of curioisty I checked the overclockers.com database just for grins. I used the 2.4C as it had the only fairly large number of CPU's.

The 2.4C had 30 entries, 9 Costa RIcans and 21 Malays. The average overclock was (drumroll, please): Costa RIca, 3.261 Ghz; Malay, 3.265 Ghz.

Well, I stand corrected... I guess the cpu's packaged in Malaysia are better.

LMAO

 

[Harabecw]

Originally posted by: pm
It's threads like these that often make me wonder why I bother.

One day, you'll purchase a new Wingo, and it'll stay intact for a long time and you'll be happy and you'll know you did not suffer for nothing.

Love the flying cam idea...how did you use a servo to activate it?

 

[RIGorous1]

So which is better? according Jim its Malay by a margin of what? maybe 0.1%? That's practically negligible in the scope of it all.

Everyone wants Malay, but for those results it'd be stupid to trade your costa rica for a Malay, am I correct?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: RIGorous1
So which is better? according Jim its Malay by a margin of what? maybe 0.1%? That's practically negligible in the scope of it all.

Everyone wants Malay, but for those results it'd be stupid to trade your costa rica for a Malay, am I correct?

No, your not. BTW, Jim was joking around <Fred Sanford>Lamont! You big dummy!</Fred Sanford> To quote pm's post

Make sure you get the lucky rabbits foot out and jiggle it over the CPU before you put the heatsink on. It will have about as much effect as using the packaging plant as the basis for die quality.

 

[RIGorous1]

punisher,

are saying that I'm not correct, because if I understood your post correctly you're verifying what I said about negligible results and how stupid it is to go box searching for a Malay.

Anyways, at least its settled in my mind about this issue. Thanks for the feedback.