Costco Apologizes For Bibles Labeled As Fiction At California Store

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ThinClient

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No, Look at all the attacks on Christians yet they refuse to do it to the other religions. War on Christmas, Piss Christ and obama saying the US isn't a Christian nation.

This has already been addressed earlier in the thread if you'd bother shutting up for a minute to read.

We are just as well prepared to deconstruct other religions. Why would we bother doing so when there aren't any Hindus in here or Muslims in here or Jews in here arguing with you?

It would be a waste of time to both sides of the argument.

You're playing the victim card and extremely poorly at that. It makes you look embarrassingly childish.
 

ThinClient

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I don't think religious texts should necessarily be called fiction regardless of their accuracy. I would reserve that for works that deliberately and knowingly came from one author's (or one group of directly collaborating and contemporary authors). Biblical scholars do suspect some of the Bible to fall under this category (eg. book of Esther) but I think a lot of the other claimed history wasn't really written this way. More likely it was based on oral tradition crudely communicated and changed over several generations.

Again, not saying I think this means the accounts are true, just that it should fall under a different classification.

There are also some books of the Bible that don't attempt to be accounts of anything at all, being more books of advice or insight. You probably wouldn't consider self-help books to be fiction either, even if they're bad advice.

Well it's either true or it's false. There's no two ways about it. Since the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those making the positive claim, it is up to religiotards to prove that the Bible is true. None of them have. Not in the entire history of man since the book was written has it been proven true.

That's enough to dump it into the fiction section along with the rest of the religious nonsense.
 

ThinClient

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Well first of all, that is not true, but assuming for a split second that it is true it doesn't help that you motherfuckers are always trying to weave your religion into our government. I'm fine with Christians and Christianity but keep it the fuck out of government.

and to generally yourselves, thank you
 

Retro Rob

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That's enough to dump it into the fiction section along with the rest of the religious nonsense.

The bible should be dumped with... yada, yada, yada....

Let me share some stats with you; the book has been translated, in whole in part, in over 2600 languages and is the most widely distributed book EVER. This means that at least, there is/was plenty of demand for it.

Secondly, and I don't agree with a lot of religious stuff either, religion is HERE...always has been, always will be in one form or another, and the Bible has only increased in distribution and translation over the last several centuries. None of these facts alone makes the Bible true, though.

This being said, putting it under "fiction" doesn't make it "fiction"...saying it's BS doesn't make it BS...heck, label it as Ancient Medieval Mythology for all I care, it doesn't make it so.

Bottom line: religion, with all its faults, is here and there is NOTHING you can do about it...the Bible is here, and read, believed, etc...and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Scream till you are literally blue in the face and till your tiny little head is about to explode, there is literally NOTHING you can do about it.

You need a hobby.
 

Braznor

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The key question here is that whether this costco store has been burnt down to cinders and all of its employees stoned to death?

No?

Of course not, morons. I don't see the outrage here. A store mistakenly misclassified a book and the case was resolved amicably through words and expression of intentions.

The store made up the error.
The Christians and the corporation employees resolved the issue with words and deeds to reconcile the error.

The only pricks in this issue are we the tools here on AT and from all sides as usual.
 

Atreus21

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The manager of the store or the department manager should have just had the bibles moved to a shelf labeled "Religion" or "Religious" problem solved.

If someone did it as a joke then that person should have had the rest of the day off unpaid, which would be appropriate for a reprimand imo.



The mind boggles.

This. Typically there's a separate section for religious texts.
 

IronWing

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This. Typically there's a separate section for religious texts.
Not at Costco. Somewhere in the store is a pallet of bibles and probably only for the Christmas shopping season. Next to it is probably a pallet of some other bestseller that will also be gone in a a few weeks, if that long. I doubt Costco carries even ten titles at a time.
 

ThinClient

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The bible should be dumped with... yada, yada, yada....

Let me share some stats with you; the book has been translated, in whole in part, in over 2600 languages and is the most widely distributed book EVER. This means that at least, there is/was plenty of demand for it.

Same with Homer's Illiad and Odyssy. That doesn't make them true.

Secondly, and I don't agree with a lot of religious stuff either, religion is HERE...always has been, always will be in one form or another, and the Bible has only increased in distribution and translation over the last several centuries.

Not if we rational-thinkers can help it.

This being said, putting it under "fiction" doesn't make it "fiction"...saying it's BS doesn't make it BS...heck, label it as Ancient Medieval Mythology for all I care, it doesn't make it so.

Claiming it's true doesn't make it true, either. Homer's works are in the Fiction section for a reason, too.

Bottom line: religion, with all its faults, is here and there is NOTHING you can do about it...the Bible is here, and read, believed, etc...and there is NOTHING you can do about it. Scream till you are literally blue in the face and till your tiny little head is about to explode, there is literally NOTHING you can do about it.

You need a hobby.

I do have a hobby. What do you think I'm doing right now? My hobby. Religious debate. There's nothing in the world I find more interesting or fascinating or stimulating.

I do something every single day to counter the bullshit in this last paragraph of yours. Many other people are, too. No matter how much you bury your head in the sand and deny it, we are making a difference and I am proof. Screaming isn't part of my effort because screaming is truly pointless and doesn't accomplish anything. Having an adult conversation about religion sure as hell does, though! Well, that is, with intelligent adults anyway. Some idiots like you are too prideful to admit when they've been proven wrong repeatedly. Those are the dangerous ones. Those are the willfully ignorant ones, the ones who are willing to lie to themselves and to others in order to continue living their bronze age myth. THOSE are the ones you see in the news killing abortion doctors and chanting that god hates fags and protesting soldier funerals and shit. THOSE are the truly embarrassing examples of our species.
 
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ThinClient

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A store mistakenly momentarily correctly classified a book and the case was resolved amicably through words and expression of intentions by pandering to a dangerous hate-filled angry mob of religious zealots.

Fixed.
 

Atreus21

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Same with Homer's Illiad and Odyssy. That doesn't make them true.



Not if we rational-thinkers can help it.



Claiming it's true doesn't make it true, either. Homer's works are in the Fiction section for a reason, too.



I do have a hobby. What do you think I'm doing right now? My hobby. Religious debate. There's nothing in the world I find more interesting or fascinating or stimulating.

I do something every single day to counter the bullshit in this last paragraph of yours. Many other people are, too. No matter how much you bury your head in the sand and deny it, we are making a difference and I am proof. Screaming isn't part of my effort because screaming is truly pointless and doesn't accomplish anything. Having an adult conversation about religion sure as hell does, though! Well, that is, with intelligent adults anyway. Some idiots like you are too prideful to admit when they've been proven wrong repeatedly. Those are the dangerous ones. Those are the willfully ignorant ones, the ones who are willing to lie to themselves and to others in order to continue living their bronze age myth. THOSE are the ones you see in the news killing abortion doctors and chanting that god hates fags and protesting soldier funerals and shit. THOSE are the truly embarrassing examples of our species.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=arrogant+prick
 

Matt1970

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There is more than enough evidence to pull Darwin's evolutionary books out of the fiction section and into the non-fiction section.

Evolution is entirely undeniable. Literally mountains of evidence. An entire globe full of evidence proving it true.

The Bible? Haha, fat chance. The only thing the Bible says that can be accounted for are things like names of dead people and names of ancient cities. Hardly proof of anything. It also makes wildly impossible claims, like the story of Noah.

I doubt a lot of things happened like they say in the bible just like Noah and a lot of other contradictions. And you are right that there are literally mountains of evidence supporting evolution. But evolution is not the end-all be-all explanation of our existence. If evolution were a book, it would be missing chapter one and a lot of pages would be missing. There are just too many weird things out there to be explained by simple freak mutations and survival of the fittest.
 

ThinClient

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I doubt a lot of things happened like they say in the bible just like Noah and a lot of other contradictions. And you are right that there are literally mountains of evidence supporting evolution. But evolution is not the end-all be-all explanation of our existence. If evolution were a book, it would be missing chapter one and a lot of pages would be missing. There are just too many weird things out there to be explained by simple freak mutations and survival of the fittest.

It's a bit more complex than that, but you're right. However, jumping to the conclusion that "it was god" is arrogant and ignorant. Especially when there's absolutely zero evidence to support that argument in the first place.

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok_tcAEbHHw
 
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If evolution were a book, it would be missing chapter one and a lot of pages would be missing. There are just too many weird things out there to be explained by simple freak mutations and survival of the fittest.

The theory of evolution makes no claims about the origins of life, merely how life has changed over time. The theory of evolution is perfectly compatible with a belief that God started life, or that life came about because of atmospheric conditions spontaneously creating amino acids, or panspermia, or whatever. Arguing that evolution is an incomplete book because it doesn't address the origins of life is like arguing The Hobbit is an incomplete book because we don't see Bilbo being born (are hobbits even born? Maybe they lay eggs. Whatever). It's related, but ultimately irrelevant. The theory of evolution works just fine regardless of where life originated.
 

Retro Rob

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It's a bit more complex than that, but you're right. However, jumping to the conclusion that "it was god" is arrogant and ignorant. Especially when there's absolutely zero evidence to support that argument in the first place.

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok_tcAEbHHw

Without even clicking on the link, I'm fairly confident that you're parroting something else from Dawkins.

Do you have an original thought to share?
 

thraashman

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47 Minutes? I have work to do.

And honestly, while Richard Dawkins is a very intelligent man who can explain evolution well ... he always seems to be kinda a dick to people. I don't like him being the champion of evolution because he puts people off.
 

Matt1970

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The theory of evolution makes no claims about the origins of life, merely how life has changed over time. The theory of evolution is perfectly compatible with a belief that God started life, or that life came about because of atmospheric conditions spontaneously creating amino acids, or panspermia, or whatever. Arguing that evolution is an incomplete book because it doesn't address the origins of life is like arguing The Hobbit is an incomplete book because we don't see Bilbo being born (are hobbits even born? Maybe they lay eggs. Whatever). It's related, but ultimately irrelevant. The theory of evolution works just fine regardless of where life originated.

Right but if you were going to tell a story of how something has changed over time you usually want to start at the beginning. Evolution is undeniable, but so is the fact we still have a lot yet to discover.
 
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Right but if you were going to tell a story of how something has changed over time you usually want to start at the beginning. Evolution is undeniable, but so is the fact we still have a lot yet to discover.

Indeed, if you want to tell a story. But evolution isn't a story, it's a scientific concept. Stories are easier for people to digest, especially when we're talking about a process that happens over time, but the theory of evolution is no more a story than the theory of gravity or cell theory. I sense that you already understand that, but bringing up the origins of life in regards to evolution is reinforcing the idea that evolution can't be true if it can't explain where life started, and that's a spurious argument. You can believe God flipped a switch and kicked off life on this planet, you can believe that God imbued humans with a soul that no other species has, and still believe that evolution occurs; the origins of life are irrelevant to evolution, so why bother talking about it at all?
 

Matt1970

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It's a bit more complex than that, but you're right. However, jumping to the conclusion that "it was god" is arrogant and ignorant. Especially when there's absolutely zero evidence to support that argument in the first place.

Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ok_tcAEbHHw

I am not really jumping to the conclusion that it was god, I am just merely pointing out that with our lack of knowledge we certainly can't rule it out. Some Atheists are very quick to point out that because it is very unlikely things happened they way they are described in the bible, that is proof there is no god. But I will point out that the bible was put together by a handful of people who left many chapters out and altered "god" knows how many. In short, we just don't know, and probably won't in our lifetime.
 

Matt1970

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Indeed, if you want to tell a story. But evolution isn't a story, it's a scientific concept. Stories are easier for people to digest, especially when we're talking about a process that happens over time, but the theory of evolution is no more a story than the theory of gravity or cell theory. I sense that you already understand that, but bringing up the origins of life in regards to evolution is reinforcing the idea that evolution can't be true if it can't explain where life started, and that's a spurious argument. You can believe God flipped a switch and kicked off life on this planet, you can believe that God imbued humans with a soul that no other species has, and still believe that evolution occurs; the origins of life are irrelevant to evolution, so why bother talking about it at all?

No, it's just stating that the theory of evolution is incomplete. To say evolution explains all the changes or progressions that have occurred in life, you need to know all those changes. Certainly going from what we would consider "not Life" to "life" would be part of that.
 

ThinClient

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I am not really jumping to the conclusion that it was god, I am just merely pointing out that with our lack of knowledge we certainly can't rule it out. Some Atheists are very quick to point out that because it is very unlikely things happened they way they are described in the bible, that is proof there is no god. But I will point out that the bible was put together by a handful of people who left many chapters out and altered "god" knows how many. In short, we just don't know, and probably won't in our lifetime.

We can no more rule out god than we can rule out vampires or fairies or the sun god or Zeus or the tooth fairy or unicorns or any of that.

I don't know anyone who believes that any of those are real. There's no evidence to support the claim that they are real. There's no evidence to support the claim that the judeo christian god is real, either, yet somehow people LOSE THEIR MINDS when you draw this simple and natural conclusion.
 
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