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ThinClient

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No, it's just stating that the theory of evolution is incomplete. To say evolution explains all the changes or progressions that have occurred in life, you need to know all those changes. Certainly going from what we would consider "not Life" to "life" would be part of that.

Wrong. The theory of evolution is like a ladder from point A to point B. You don't have to expect the ladder to explain anything about point A or point B other than the fact that they exist to go to/from to begin with.

Point A is the start. Point B is today. The ladder between them is undeniable and very comprehensive.
 

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Without even clicking on the link, I'm fairly confident that you're parroting something else from Dawkins.

Do you have an original thought to share?

Do you?

Watch the video. I know you're too much of a fucking coward to do it, but I'll bid you watch the video anyway.
 
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No, it's just stating that the theory of evolution is incomplete. To say evolution explains all the changes or progressions that have occurred in life, you need to know all those changes. Certainly going from what we would consider "not Life" to "life" would be part of that.

Evolution has never purported to explain where life originated. That's not part of the theory. It's irrelevant. Expecting the theory of evolution to explain where life came from is tantamount to expecting gravitational theory to explain where matter comes from. You can't have gravity without matter, just as you can't have evolution without life, but neither theory bothers with the origins of requisite components; they attempt to explain how those components work, not how they came to exist in the first place.
 

Retro Rob

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Do you?

Watch the video. I know you're too much of a fucking coward to do it, but I'll bid you watch the video anyway.

Just sayin' you ride Dawkins pretty hard and link to him religiously...it makes me wonder, honestly, if this isn't some sort of quasi-religious obsession you have with him.

You should be concerned...
 

ThinClient

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Just sayin' you ride Dawkins pretty hard and link to him religiously...it makes me wonder, honestly, if this isn't some sort of quasi-religious obsession you have with him.

You should be concerned...

Sense.

You make none.

Now act like an adult and watch the video, or cling to your ignorant cowardice by throwing insults at me instead of participating rationally in the discussion. There are some things like Dawkins in this video that are more eloquently conveyed by someone else instead of me. This is one of those times, but you're too AFRAID to watch it because, deep down, I think you know that your faith and your religion are bullshit.
 

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Well it's either true or it's false. There's no two ways about it. Since the burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those making the positive claim, it is up to religiotards to prove that the Bible is true. None of them have. Not in the entire history of man since the book was written has it been proven true.

That's enough to dump it into the fiction section along with the rest of the religious nonsense.

Why even respond to my post if you aren't going to actually address any of what I was saying?

I'm saying that calling something fiction, especially in a book store where classification should be pretty formal, actually says something about the writer's intent and expectations of the readers. This is only even relevant to the parts that are even trying to be accounts of anything. The Bible is a diverse collection of books which are only loosely thematically related (and even that's a stretch in some cases), not all of it is purported history, it's an overgeneralization to even talk about whether or not the whole thing is true or false.
 
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ThinClient

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Admitting you have a problem is a fundamental step toward recovery.

I'm glad you finally understand that. Now apply it to your irrational belief system and we might be getting somewhere. There's hope for you yet!
 

ThinClient

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Why even respond to my post if you aren't going to actually address any of what I was saying?

...and I'm saying that fiction / non-fiction should be the top category, regardless of what other sub-categories exist. Consider classification of animals. The order is Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species, right? Multiple species can belong to the same genus. This is how it should be for books. True books and untrue books. Within the Fiction category, there can be whatever you want. Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Westerns, blah blah blah. Within the non-fiction category, you can still have Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Westerns, blah blah blah. As long as the Bible is classified somewhere under the fiction category, I'm happy.
 

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...and I'm saying that fiction / non-fiction should be the top category, regardless of what other sub-categories exist. Consider classification of animals. The order is Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species, right? Multiple species can belong to the same genus. This is how it should be for books. True books and untrue books. Within the Fiction category, there can be whatever you want. Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Westerns, blah blah blah. Within the non-fiction category, you can still have Sci-Fi, Fantasy, Westerns, blah blah blah. As long as the Bible is classified somewhere under the fiction category, I'm happy.

...and placing it under the "fiction" category would mean what, exactly? If I recall, you admitted earlier that calling something "fiction/non-fiction" doesn't make it so, so why do it and ignore your own so-called "principles"?

What, do you think people are going magically think the Bible is fiction because it's labeled as such, or are you only interested in getting a rise out of religious people?

I think the latter.
 

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...and placing it under the "fiction" category would mean what, exactly? If I recall, you admitted earlier that calling something "fiction/non-fiction" doesn't make it so, so why do it and ignore your own so-called "principles"?

You really are a halfwit, by the text book definition. You like your strawman arguments, that's for sure!

I don't claim that the bible is false just to claim that it's false. It makes ridiculous claims like Lot's wife turning to salt, two of every animal squeezing into an impossibly small boat full of no food or climate controls for them, burning bushes that aren't consumed by fire, walking sticks turning into snakes, characters parting bodies of water by magic, resurrection, the list goes on and on.

I'm making the claim that the bible is false based on an educated effort into logic and reason which includes a distinct lack of evidence to support the positive claim. I'm denying the claim that the bible is true because there is not a single shred of evidence to support that it is true.

This is same reason I'd put books about vampires and warewolves into the fiction category.

You know this because it's been discussed at nauseum but you're too fucking stupid to accept it. You, as usual, bring all your dumbass arguments to the table that were destroyed the conversation prior and then fling them out again as if you've never used them and as if everyone hasn't already disassembled each and every one of them.

You, sir, are a patently habitual liar... to yourself.

What, do you think people are going magically think the Bible is fiction because it's labeled as such, or are you only interested in getting a rise out of religious people?

I think the latter.

I think people are going to believe the Bible is true if their cowardice and pride will not let them realize that they've been living a lie their entire lives. I think people are going to continue believing the bible is true because they're afraid to consider life without the promise of everlasting life. I think people are going to continue believing the bible is true because they are GRIPPED in fear of going to hell if they're wrong.

On the other hand, I think people WILL believe the bible is fiction if they simply follow a few simple rules in how to think (note: not what to think, but I have every confidence that they'll come to the same rational conclusion when using a rational thinking method) or how to draw conclusions.

The burden of proof rests on the shoulders of those making the positive claim. The bible is true? Prove it. Until then, get lost.
 
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Retro Rob

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I'm making the claim that the bible is false based on an educated effort into logic and reason which includes a distinct lack of evidence to support the positive claim. I'm denying the claim that the bible is true because there is not a single shred of evidence to support that it is true.

The Bible is a pretty big book, covering a lot of things...what parts are not true, exactly?

As was pointed out earlier, to say its either "true" or "false" is an oversimplification and over generalization.
 

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All the great monotheistic religions poison everything and they greatly negatively affect my life and the lives of those I care about, that's why.

Can you give some examples of how every 'great monotheistic religion' has negatively affected your life and the lives of those you care about?
 

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All the great monotheistic religions poison everything and they greatly negatively affect my life and the lives of those I care about, that's why.

Tell you what. I'll watch your video if you'll get some grasp of history. Explain to my mother in law that Catholic Charities sponsoring her and her family to come to the US after escaping Vietnam after Saigon fell that they were a poisonous influence.

Explain to the millions who derived benefits from religious hospitals and learning institutions that they have been poisoned.

Explain to anyone using the Gregorian Calendar that they're being poisoned. Or any scientists who subscribe to the Big Bang theory.

 

Retro Rob

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a televangelist stole a shitload of money from my grandmother in the 70's, ever since then I have doubted and loathed organized religion. I see them all as moneygrubbing hypocrites.

a homosexual once stole my last bit of money from me, ever since then I have doubted and loathed homosexuals. I see them all as moneygrubbing hypocrites.
 

thraashman

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a televangelist stole a shitload of money from my grandmother in the 70's, ever since then I have doubted and loathed organized religion. I see them all as moneygrubbing hypocrites.
a homosexual once stole my last bit of money from me, ever since then I have doubted and loathed homosexuals. I see them all as moneygrubbing hypocrites.
And if a black man had done it?

Ouch. I think they got ya with these ones.
 

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a televangelist stole a shitload of money from my grandmother in the 70's, ever since then I have doubted and loathed organized religion. I see them all as moneygrubbing hypocrites.

I'm sure Mother Teresa was as moneygrubbing as they come. Vow of poverty, what a joke..
 
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Ouch. I think they got ya with these ones.

well, this guy was using 'the lords word' to coerce the money from his 'followers' I don't think it's really the same thing, but go ahead, keep building the straw men.

So this was religion negatively affecting me directly, he asked, I answered. Tough shit if you don't like the answer.
 

Retro Rob

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well, this guy was using 'the lords word' to coerce the money from his 'followers' I don't think it's really the same thing, but go ahead, keep building the straw men.

So this was religion negatively affecting me directly, he asked, I answered. Tough shit if you don't like the answer.

No, what you essentially said was that you loath all religion because of ONE televangelist.

It's the exact same as saying you loath all blacks for the action of one black man.
 
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