Could Germany have been defeated if they had the wonder weapons at the start of WW2?

[Schadenfroh]

Say the from the very start of the war....

Standard rifle was the STG 44.
Standard Fighter Jet was the ME 262.
The MBT was the King Tiger Tank

Could the allies eventually overwhelmed them with superior numbers to compensate? I realize that the total number of german equipment would be much lower due to the complexity of the manufacture of these items. Could the allies have overcome them with sheer numbers?

 

[KLin]

a couple of more nukes would have solved the problem quickly.

 

[dartworth]

Phasen sehnen sich das Vaterland

 

[xSkyDrAx]

Originally posted by: dartworth
Phasen sehnen sich das Vaterland

taco nazi!

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Say the from the very start of the war....

Standard rifle was the STG 44.
Standard Fighter Jet was the ME 262.
The MBT was the King Tiger Tank

Could the allies eventually overwhelmed them with superior numbers to compensate? I realize that the total number of german equipment would be much lower due to the complexity of the manufacture of these items. Could the allies have overcome them with sheer numbers?

Make the MBT the Panther, not the King Tiger.

 

[wfbberzerker]

if they had the me 262 as a fighter, not a bomber, in large numbers in the battle of britain, things definitely might have gone the other way.

 

[Rogue]

Funny you should ask as I'm currently taking a class on WW II right now. From what I've read so far, the United States didn't start hitting peak output for it's war machine until right at the end of the war. It was said that if the US had continued to fight over the course of another year or two that it would have easily been able to outfit not only it's massive military, but also the militaries of every one of it's allies as well. That's a force to be reckoned with no matter how you look at it. And, like someone else said, the nuke would have solved any technology advantage Germany could have had. Nuke >*

 

[Koenigsegg]

Guttentag.

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: KLin
a couple of more nukes would have solved the problem quickly.

You have to remember that for the most part they were ahead of the making of such a bomb until most of their hard water plants were destroyed and japan did explode their first nuke six days after "Little Boy" devastated Hiroshima so we were not that far ahead of them that way.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Say the from the very start of the war....

Standard rifle was the STG 44.
Standard Fighter Jet was the ME 262.
The MBT was the King Tiger Tank

Could the allies eventually overwhelmed them with superior numbers to compensate? I realize that the total number of german equipment would be much lower due to the complexity of the manufacture of these items. Could the allies have overcome them with sheer numbers?

The Germans could have stayed on top without all that stuff. Don't forget the V2 rocket.

The problem with the Nazi's was the crazy leader at the top. Just think what would have happened if he didn't make that looney move to invade the USSR (amongst other blunders).

 

[GoingUp]

Hitler screwed a lot of stuff because he was a moron as a tactician.

Although it would be cool to replay WW2 in a simulator with all of those weapons from the start. My guess, is that England would have fallen.

 

[EyeMWing]

On that accelerated timetable, they'd also have nuclear weapons first. Endgame world.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: yellowfiero

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Say the from the very start of the war....

Standard rifle was the STG 44.
Standard Fighter Jet was the ME 262.
The MBT was the King Tiger Tank

Could the allies eventually overwhelmed them with superior numbers to compensate? I realize that the total number of german equipment would be much lower due to the complexity of the manufacture of these items. Could the allies have overcome them with sheer numbers?

The Germans could have stayed on top without all that stuff. Don't forget the V2 rocket.

The problem with the Nazi's was the crazy leader at the top. Just think what would have happened if he didn't make that looney move to invade the USSR (amongst other blunders).

Exactly. It was a near thing as it was, and had Hitler not made the tactical/strategic mistakes that he did, Germany would have won the war.

 

[Saint Nick]

It's a good thing Einstein got out of Germany when he did. They probably would have used his nuclear bomb against us.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Rogue
Funny you should ask as I'm currently taking a class on WW II right now. From what I've read so far, the United States didn't start hitting peak output for it's war machine until right at the end of the war. It was said that if the US had continued to fight over the course of another year or two that it would have easily been able to outfit not only it's massive military, but also the militaries of every one of it's allies as well. That's a force to be reckoned with no matter how you look at it. And, like someone else said, the nuke would have solved any technology advantage Germany could have had. Nuke >*

yes but would the allies been able to even stand up to them for long enough? Those weapons are way better then the Allies had at the start of the war.

I do not think we would have won. But then again the leadership was really lacking for Germany. Not just Hitler but others in his camp were nuts.

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: EyeMWing
On that accelerated timetable, they'd also have nuclear weapons first. Endgame world.

Nah, not endgame.

Just a Nazi world like in justice league.

 

[Baked]

In a parallel universe, Germany, Italy and Japan won WWII.

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: jndietz
It's a good thing Einstein got out of Germany when he did. They probably would have used his nuclear bomb against us.

I doubt they would had used him other then a test subject in the gas chamber since he was a Jew.

That imho is what you call a bit of revenge even if we didn't use it on Germany.

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: Baked
In a parallel universe, Germany, Italy and Japan won WWII.

In a parallel universe I am the fo' shizzle...or was that this world, I forgot.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Say the from the very start of the war....

Standard rifle was the STG 44.
Standard Fighter Jet was the ME 262.
The MBT was the King Tiger Tank

Could the allies eventually overwhelmed them with superior numbers to compensate? I realize that the total number of german equipment would be much lower due to the complexity of the manufacture of these items. Could the allies have overcome them with sheer numbers?

No, the Allies would have countered them by the end. Germany was pretty far ahead in Weapons tech when they started, so being even further ahead probably wouldn't have had much more effect. OTOH, if they had these weapons in quantity towards the end(what we call the end), I think they would have certainly proplonged the War significantly if not eventually defeat both Britain and the Soviet Union. They would have once again gained a clear technological advantage as they had at the begining.

 

[preslove]

no.

 

[Warman]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh
Say the from the very start of the war....

Standard rifle was the STG 44.
Standard Fighter Jet was the ME 262.
The MBT was the King Tiger Tank

Could the allies eventually overwhelmed them with superior numbers to compensate? I realize that the total number of german equipment would be much lower due to the complexity of the manufacture of these items. Could the allies have overcome them with sheer numbers?

most likely yes they would have won, mostly because if the Luftwaffe had had ME-262s by the start of the war or by 1940 at the least they would have most likely succeeded and prevailed in the battle of britain which would have paved the way for a succesful operation sea lion (invasion of mainland england). with the england in german hands i really doubt the US could have had much impact on the war in europe since england was the staging point for all US forces. (ie. i really doubt that they could do the same from iceland)

but still i really dont know if that would have warranted a win vs the soviets, The king tiger wasnt really all that feasible to deploy in high numbers since it was too expensive to maintain and very slow and heavy to maneuver in the plains of russia (which were muddy as hell due to heavy rains).

 

[Triumph]

I don't think they needed those weapons to win. Hitler's two biggest blunders were invading Russia, and killing Rommel. Rommel knew the Allies weren't going to invade at Calais, and he also didn't have enough men to defend the Atlantic wall. Those two complementary faults could have, if corrected, turned D-day into a collosal failure. If the Nazi's had this technology at the beginning of the war, I don't think it would have mattered. At the beginning of the war, they were marching across Europe with ease as it was.

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: Triumph
I don't think they needed those weapons to win. Hitler's two biggest blunders were invading Russia, and killing Rommel. Rommel knew the Allies weren't going to invade at Calais, and he also didn't have enough men to defend the Atlantic wall. Those two complementary faults could have, if corrected, turned D-day into a collosal failure. If the Nazi's had this technology at the beginning of the war, I don't think it would have mattered. At the beginning of the war, they were marching across Europe with ease as it was.

Yep, thankfully Hitler was a fvcking moron when it came to strategy.

 

[drpootums]

the allies did beat the German army with sheer #'s, Germany had far superior technology, just much fewer soldiers. Also, I believe the spirit of the allies were stronger. they were fighting because they had to protect their countries, not just fighting because they had too (Most of Hitler's generals wanted to kill hitler...)

BTW, even though Italy had a lot of people, it's pretty sad when you have a force of 150,000 in one battle that get beaten back by about 10,000 British soldiers (I believe those were the #'s in one battle)