Could Germany have been defeated if they had the wonder weapons at the start of WW2?

[drpootums]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Triumph
I don't think they needed those weapons to win. Hitler's two biggest blunders were invading Russia, and killing Rommel. Rommel knew the Allies weren't going to invade at Calais, and he also didn't have enough men to defend the Atlantic wall. Those two complementary faults could have, if corrected, turned D-day into a collosal failure. If the Nazi's had this technology at the beginning of the war, I don't think it would have mattered. At the beginning of the war, they were marching across Europe with ease as it was.

Yep, thankfully Hitler was a fvcking moron when it came to strategy.

I guarentee you that Stalin was dumber...much dumber....

 

[mwtgg]

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Triumph
I don't think they needed those weapons to win. Hitler's two biggest blunders were invading Russia, and killing Rommel. Rommel knew the Allies weren't going to invade at Calais, and he also didn't have enough men to defend the Atlantic wall. Those two complementary faults could have, if corrected, turned D-day into a collosal failure. If the Nazi's had this technology at the beginning of the war, I don't think it would have mattered. At the beginning of the war, they were marching across Europe with ease as it was.

Yep, thankfully Hitler was a fvcking moron when it came to strategy.

I guarentee you that Stalin was dumber...much dumber....

Yeah, and both were fvcking nuts!

 

[drpootums]

^^^^^


Very true

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Triumph
I don't think they needed those weapons to win. Hitler's two biggest blunders were invading Russia, and killing Rommel. Rommel knew the Allies weren't going to invade at Calais, and he also didn't have enough men to defend the Atlantic wall. Those two complementary faults could have, if corrected, turned D-day into a collosal failure. If the Nazi's had this technology at the beginning of the war, I don't think it would have mattered. At the beginning of the war, they were marching across Europe with ease as it was.

Yep, thankfully Hitler was a fvcking moron when it came to strategy.

I guarentee you that Stalin was dumber...much dumber....

Yeah, and both were fvcking nuts!

Yep, but Stalin had a few million more.

 

[drpootums]

though stalin had a lot more troops, what percentage of them accually had a weapon once the battles started???

 

[Rogue]

I still insist that Germany had stretched itself thin and it's Navy was all but decimated by the time the US entered the war. Britain conquered nations with one of the best navies in the world and Germany had little to none and definitely was poorly skilled at the use of naval power save the U-Boat. The United States was able to build a military machine that encompassed all aspects of warfare. Germany was doomed once the US entered the war, that much is clear. Germany possessing a nuke, much less using it against the US on our homeland would have done little more than cause a complete destruction of their nation by one means or another. The US had developed tech of it's own to compete and had the war continued for a few more years, Germany would still have been doomed.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Triumph
I don't think they needed those weapons to win. Hitler's two biggest blunders were invading Russia, and killing Rommel. Rommel knew the Allies weren't going to invade at Calais, and he also didn't have enough men to defend the Atlantic wall. Those two complementary faults could have, if corrected, turned D-day into a collosal failure. If the Nazi's had this technology at the beginning of the war, I don't think it would have mattered. At the beginning of the war, they were marching across Europe with ease as it was.

Yep, thankfully Hitler was a fvcking moron when it came to strategy.

I guarentee you that Stalin was dumber...much dumber....

Yeah, and both were fvcking nuts!

yea pretty much. stuff like being paranoid and killing off his military leaders and such...he just had a lot more to piss away then hitler.

 

[yllus]

Germany had no chance from the very beginning, I think. Russia was going to attack sooner or later. Britain's navy would have saved the homeland from invasion, though if the air war had turned the other way it would ave been a much more bitter struggle. Austria-Hungary was more of a curse than a help. Occupying France kept the German army stretched thin and supply lines long. Canada and the Aussies were churning out massive firepower, ships, airplanes and men. And America probably could've taken on Germany 1 on 1 given some time.

 

[Schadenfroh]

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Triumph
I don't think they needed those weapons to win. Hitler's two biggest blunders were invading Russia, and killing Rommel. Rommel knew the Allies weren't going to invade at Calais, and he also didn't have enough men to defend the Atlantic wall. Those two complementary faults could have, if corrected, turned D-day into a collosal failure. If the Nazi's had this technology at the beginning of the war, I don't think it would have mattered. At the beginning of the war, they were marching across Europe with ease as it was.

Yep, thankfully Hitler was a fvcking moron when it came to strategy.

I guarentee you that Stalin was dumber...much dumber....

Yeah, and both were fvcking nuts!

Yep, but Stalin had a few million more.

zerging for the win!

 

[Kenazo]

What do you mean by "Won" How widespread would the german empire have to be before they had "won"? Take over England? Probably.... If they were smart they would have stopped with Europe, but they did a lot of dumb nut things that they might have still done just b/c they were dumb.

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: Schadenfroh

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: drpootums

Originally posted by: mwtgg

Originally posted by: Triumph
I don't think they needed those weapons to win. Hitler's two biggest blunders were invading Russia, and killing Rommel. Rommel knew the Allies weren't going to invade at Calais, and he also didn't have enough men to defend the Atlantic wall. Those two complementary faults could have, if corrected, turned D-day into a collosal failure. If the Nazi's had this technology at the beginning of the war, I don't think it would have mattered. At the beginning of the war, they were marching across Europe with ease as it was.

Yep, thankfully Hitler was a fvcking moron when it came to strategy.

I guarentee you that Stalin was dumber...much dumber....

Yeah, and both were fvcking nuts!

Yep, but Stalin had a few million more.

zerging for the win!

To bad for the most part it didn't work until he got attacked from another side and then they did a n00b rush and won with it.

 

[lobadobadingdong]

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
if they had the me 262 as a fighter, not a bomber, in large numbers in the battle of britain, things definitely might have gone the other way.

I agree, but the sleeping beast would just have been awakened sooner, and the US would have stepped up and finished it anyway.

 

[Warman]

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
if they had the me 262 as a fighter, not a bomber, in large numbers in the battle of britain, things definitely might have gone the other way.

I agree, but the sleeping beast would just have been awakened sooner, and the US would have stepped up and finished it anyway.

how? deploying landing craft full of men all the way from NY?

the fact is. with england gone the US had no chance in europe. you need bases to support an army , it is imposible to support a conquering army in europe all the way back from the US , the supply lines would be over strectched

 

[Rock Hydra]

Hold that thought! We should make a game about this! :Q

 

[Injury]

You might recall that one of the biggest reasons that Germany was tackled was because they didn't have the manpower to control all the land they had invaded and the supply lines to keep a good push going.

What does it matter if they had advanced weapons if they had no one to use them and no way to get them to their fronts?

Just a thought.

 

[Lucien1964]

Originally posted by: Warman

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
if they had the me 262 as a fighter, not a bomber, in large numbers in the battle of britain, things definitely might have gone the other way.

I agree, but the sleeping beast would just have been awakened sooner, and the US would have stepped up and finished it anyway.

how? deploying landing craft full of men all the way from NY?

the fact is. with england gone the US had no chance in europe. you need bases to support an army , it is imposible to support a conquering army in europe all the way back from the US , the supply lines would be over strectched

True and that works both ways. Germany would have Europe and the US would focus its might against the Japs. The Pacific would be taken much quicker. I'm sure Germany would have taken Russia if that was the only front. Then what??? Germay would have to be content with that frozen wasteland. Hitler would get bored real quick.

 

[KLin]

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: KLin
a couple of more nukes would have solved the problem quickly.

You have to remember that for the most part they were ahead of the making of such a bomb until most of their hard water plants were destroyed and japan did explode their first nuke six days after "Little Boy" devastated Hiroshima so we were not that far ahead of them that way.

hard water or heavy water plants?

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: KLin

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: KLin
a couple of more nukes would have solved the problem quickly.

You have to remember that for the most part they were ahead of the making of such a bomb until most of their hard water plants were destroyed and japan did explode their first nuke six days after "Little Boy" devastated Hiroshima so we were not that far ahead of them that way.

hard water or heavy water plants?

One of those.

 

[Xephian]

I wonder what would happen if the planned E-100 and E series tanks along with the Maus were the standard mass produced tanks.

 

[bootymac]

BF: Secret Weapons over Normandy

 

Originally posted by: Lucien1964

Originally posted by: Warman

Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong

Originally posted by: wfbberzerker
if they had the me 262 as a fighter, not a bomber, in large numbers in the battle of britain, things definitely might have gone the other way.

I agree, but the sleeping beast would just have been awakened sooner, and the US would have stepped up and finished it anyway.

how? deploying landing craft full of men all the way from NY?

the fact is. with england gone the US had no chance in europe. you need bases to support an army , it is imposible to support a conquering army in europe all the way back from the US , the supply lines would be over strectched

True and that works both ways. Germany would have Europe and the US would focus its might against the Japs. The Pacific would be taken much quicker. I'm sure Germany would have taken Russia if that was the only front. Then what??? Germay would have to be content with that frozen wasteland. Hitler would get bored real quick.

The US knew Germany was the bigger threat when the war started. It was keeping tabs on both Japan and Germany, and Japan had no intention of invading the mainland of the US. Germany however, was unpredictable, and dangerously close to having all of Europe to himself. As much as the US hated Japan after the bombing of Pearl, it always knew that Germany would have to be defeated first.

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: KLin
a couple of more nukes would have solved the problem quickly.

You have to remember that for the most part they were ahead of the making of such a bomb until most of their hard water plants were destroyed and japan did explode their first nuke six days after "Little Boy" devastated Hiroshima so we were not that far ahead of them that way.

Say what about japan blowing up their own nuke??

 

[Chompman]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: KLin
a couple of more nukes would have solved the problem quickly.

You have to remember that for the most part they were ahead of the making of such a bomb until most of their hard water plants were destroyed and japan did explode their first nuke six days after "Little Boy" devastated Hiroshima so we were not that far ahead of them that way.

Say what about japan blowing up their own nuke??

Just showing we were not the only one with nukes at that time and if they had more advanced weapons they could had used them against us before we could had used ours.

But it didn't happen so it's a mute topic.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: Chompman

Originally posted by: KLin
a couple of more nukes would have solved the problem quickly.

You have to remember that for the most part they were ahead of the making of such a bomb until most of their hard water plants were destroyed and japan did explode their first nuke six days after "Little Boy" devastated Hiroshima so we were not that far ahead of them that way.

Say what about japan blowing up their own nuke??

yea huh? japan abandoned it after finding the project impractical.

look into the manhatten project. it was #@% huge!!! sorry, no one was close as us, the resources required were massive.

 

[aplefka]

Honestly, I think it was Hitler's screwup in Russia more than anything that killed them. Good strategy up to that point. I often wondered where they went wrong during history class and it's my deduction that not withdrawing from Russia was the biggest effup.