Could the USC Trojans beat the Houston Texans?

[supastar1568]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

damn manning threw 28 ints his rookie year?
So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

 

[shud]

Originally posted by: supastar1568
For FOOTBALL no college team would EVER beat a pro Team.

Now for basketball, that may be a different story.

That's because the primadonnas are too busy trying out flashy new moves to actually play basketball. The NBA has some absolutely HORRENDOUS players. I don't get it.

Also, USC could probably beat the Vikings at this point.

 

[mitmot]

i never thought i'd ever say this...

HOUSTON FTW

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Peyton is the only one who really stands out there. <2500 yards and less than 1 TD/game and in most cases more than 1 INT/game is not really a very good performance...

No, but it isn't getting smoked either. That was my point.

 

[shimsham]

they could probably beat the saints....

 

[Feldenak]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: SirPsycho

Originally posted by: CVSiN
no i doubt they can even beat Texas.... Pac 10 are wussies..

That's why half of the Pac-10 has been in the top 25 this season, right? USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State... they must all suck so badly for the coaches to think so highly of them.

Give it a few more weeks and half of those teams will plummet. There's just no comparison between the PAC10 and major powerhouse conferences like the Big10 (on the decline...) and the SEC.

Put a UCLA, Cal, Oregon, ASU in either of those conferences and they get smoked.

I disagree. You guys are just jealous. Pretty much Cal just got fvcked up last week and everyone was They will win this weekend and UCLA will too so pretty much they just keep rising.

Okay. Whatever. Notwithstanding USC, most teams in the Pac10 are pretty mediocre. Just look at the SEC and Big10, they have national title contenders every year. Multiple. Without USC the Pac10 would be an average conference, but take any one major powerhouse out of the Big10 or SEC and it's still as strong of a conference as it was before:

Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn
Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa

Bad year to mention the Big Ten...they seem to be having a down year

Edit: It is fun to see Urban Meyer losing at UF though.

 

[NeoV]

stop this ridiculous thread already

USC barely beat ND, a team whose fastest WR is slower than 99% of all NFL WR's...they couldn't cover Andre Johnson with any 2 of their defensive backs....not to mention Gaffney and Bradford....USC's D line wouldn't get a sniff of Carr OR ANY NFL QB...NFL O-lines are a completely different animal than NCAA O-lines - size/strength are two very different things in the NFL...please stop this ridiculous stuff like "they could beat the Vikings', they could beat the Saints' - the Saints O Line would grind USC's defense into the ground - they would not ever have to even throw a pass, and that is without D.McAllister - Stecker and A.Smith would each have 200 yards rushing, it's not even a question...the Vikings? Leinhart wouldn't have time to make a 5 step, let alone a 7 step drop to throw the ball downfield..the Vikings D-line would completely dominate the game....Yes, Reggie Bush could probably catch a screen pass and he is talented enough to make people miss, even NFL players...and L.White could break a few tackles if he got past the D line....but again, ANY NCAA team against ANY NFL team is a physical mis-match....../thread

 

[habib89]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
The best college football team could NEVER beat the worst NFL team, plain and simple.

don't know if this has been mentioned before, but back in the day, they used to have all the best college football players play in a game against an nfl team.. they lost most of the time, i believe the college players won once though.. so never say never.. although i agree that USC could not beat the texans.. they're bad, but they're not that bad..

 

[LS20]

only a moron would vote yes. i remember when people were saying how the sooners could beat a handful of NFL teams when the sooners were rolling 50 pts on each opponent.... and then they lost the title game :roll:

 

[dnuggett]

NeoV- stop reading the thread if it is ridiculous, I have gleaned some decent insight from it on why a college team could never compete, even though statistically speaking they have a chance.

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: dnuggett
NeoV- stop reading the thread if it is ridiculous, I have gleaned some decent insight from it on why a college team could never compete, even though statistically speaking they have a chance.

no, statistically, the nfl players are larger, faster, stronger. statistically, less than 3% of all college players will ever play in the nfl. of all the trojans, maybe 10 gets drafted (if that)... and maybe 3 of those players will start a game. now theyre running against 22 men who are the cream of the crop... they'll get demolished.

neo is right when he says it starts at the line. its irrelevant whether usc's WR can run by nfl cover, or whether their DB can catch nfl WRs... there'll be a huge mismatch at the line and usc offense will never get ANYTHING started. similarly, the NFL side can decide to do a run-play each and everyplay and still avg 5+ yards.

 

[TheNinja]

Anybody who says yes is an idiot. I give the Texas a 17 point favorite. And that's only b/c they probably won't have to throw b/c they'll be up by so much. Do you realize how big and fast the offensive linemen in the NFL are compared the D-line and linebackers in college? They'd run for 7+ yards on every play and just march down the field.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: habib89

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
The best college football team could NEVER beat the worst NFL team, plain and simple.

don't know if this has been mentioned before,but back in the day, they used to have all the best college football players play in a game against an nfl team.. they lost most of the time, i believe the college players won once though.. so never say never.. although i agree that USC could not beat the texans.. they're bad, but they're not that bad..

It has.

 

[joshmroest]

Originally posted by: Argo
A post like that comes up every year. The answer is no way in hell. One of them many ways of justifying that - think about it this way if the draft was tomorrow and every USC player declared how many would be picked? How many would be picked in the top 3 rounds? No more than 10. So out of 50+ players only 10-15 will be drafted. Meanwhile, Houstone Texans have 53 players that have been drafted.

I checked ESPN's page today and found out of the 54 on the Houston roster, 26 were not drafted...they were picked up as free agents.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: habib89

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
The best college football team could NEVER beat the worst NFL team, plain and simple.

don't know if this has been mentioned before, but back in the day, they used to have all the best college football players play in a game against an nfl team.. they lost most of the time, i believe the college players won once though.. so never say never.. although i agree that USC could not beat the texans.. they're bad, but they're not that bad..

That was the College All Stars vs. the current Super Bowl Champs, and before the Superbowl it was sometimes the defending champs, sometimes not.
And the college all stars won several games.

They were competitive most games vs. the Superbowl champs.

And keep in mind, these were seniors only....and not necessarily the absolute best of the best.
I agree that the pro teams probably didn't take the game as seriously, and probably the college guys didn't either.
But if there was such a gap between talent, then even the 2nd and 3rd string pros should have just slaughtered the college guys, and this generally wasn't the case.

I will now agree that USC alone probably wouldn't beat Houston. But they would score, and I don't think they'd be slaughtered.

But I would bet the farm that you could make a team from the top college teams that would beat the Texans on a regular basis.
It'd be pretty easy to do, IMO.
Combine the best of USC, Texas, FSU, VT, Miami, etc. You'd have a team of players that will probably be starting or getting significant PT in the NFL in the next year anyway, vs. a Houston team where most of their players wouldn't start for most other NFL teams.


Of course, they'd have to do something to make the game worth playing for all involved, so we'd get a good effort.
Doubt it would ever happen, though.
Anyway, I'd rather see a 16 team college playoff instead.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: joshmroest

Originally posted by: Argo
A post like that comes up every year. The answer is no way in hell. One of them many ways of justifying that - think about it this way if the draft was tomorrow and every USC player declared how many would be picked? How many would be picked in the top 3 rounds? No more than 10. So out of 50+ players only 10-15 will be drafted. Meanwhile, Houstone Texans have 53 players that have been drafted.

I checked ESPN's page today and found out of the 54 on the Houston roster, 26 were not drafted...they were picked up as free agents.

That's why you could beat them with a college all star team. Maybe not with only USC's players, but combine the top team's best and you'd beat Houston.
There is a reason that Houston sucks, and that is because most of their team is not NFL caliber.
Not like we're asking the college guys to beat the Patriots.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: dnuggett
NeoV- stop reading the thread if it is ridiculous, I have gleaned some decent insight from it on why a college team could never compete, even though statistically speaking they have a chance.

no, statistically, the nfl players are larger, faster, stronger. statistically, less than 3% of all college players will ever play in the nfl. of all the trojans, maybe 10 gets drafted (if that)... and maybe 3 of those players will start a game. now theyre running against 22 men who are the cream of the crop... they'll get demolished.

USC put half that number in the pros last year alone. They have far more than 10 future pros on the team.
NFL lineman are bigger, probably a little stronger, and I doubt any faster than college guys.
You also have to remember that Houston's team does NOT consist of the proverbial "cream of the crop" from college. Half the team wasn't even drafted.

Regardless, I would agree that USC probably wouldn't beat Houston, but they'd score, and not get hammered.

I will maintain that if you combine the best from a few college teams, you could at least beat Houston.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: dnuggett
NeoV- stop reading the thread if it is ridiculous, I have gleaned some decent insight from it on why a college team could never compete, even though statistically speaking they have a chance.

no, statistically, the nfl players are larger, faster, stronger. statistically, less than 3% of all college players will ever play in the nfl. of all the trojans, maybe 10 gets drafted (if that)... and maybe 3 of those players will start a game. now theyre running against 22 men who are the cream of the crop... they'll get demolished.

neo is right when he says it starts at the line. its irrelevant whether usc's WR can run by nfl cover, or whether their DB can catch nfl WRs... there'll be a huge mismatch at the line and usc offense will never get ANYTHING started. similarly, the NFL side can decide to do a run-play each and everyplay and still avg 5+ yards.

Damn!, reading comprehension owns some of you guys. I said statistically speaking they have a chance. This is an undisputable fact. How small is that chance? Very small. I merely said it was interesting that a lot of people said there is absolutely no way and no chance for USC to win, even though mathematically there is. The conclusions and ways they arrived at that conclusion were interesting and based on real knowledge of the game. That is the point of the thread.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: dnuggett
lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

That's what I'm saying. There isn't a big a jump to the lowest rung of the pros as some people think.

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

will then, its just a matter of whose defines the word smoke eh? To me a QB that throws more INT than TD sux. And if they had a college offensive line protecting them against a NFL defense, yes they would get badly hurt very fast. I think the word smoked is in order

 

[Reckoner]

No, the Lions or Vikings however...

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

will then, its just a matter of whose defines the word smoke eh? To me a QB that throws more INT than TD sux. And if they had a college offensive line protecting them against a NFL defense, yes they would get badly hurt very fast. I think the word smoked is in order

Touche then. To me a first year QB that throws for 3700 YDS and 26TDs did a hell of a job and shows some real true talent (not some rookie flamer that got smoked), even considering the amount of INTs. Turns out I'm right, he happens to be the best in the game.

Just so I get this straight, you are telling me that 3700 YDS and 26 TDs your rookie year is getting smoked?

 

[NeoV]

OMFG!

26 players were acquired as free agents by the Texans - it doesn't mean they weren't drafted by different NFL teams! Come on people!

USC does, by the way, have more than 10 future pro's on it's team....probably closer to 20-25

Ohio State's championship team from a few years back has 20 or 21 guys in the NFL now, and set a record for most guys drafted in one year...that number will go up with a few of their seniors getting drafted this year....

NFL O lineman are bigger, stronger, and yes, faster than NCAA linemen.

the discussions about how rookie QB's do in the NFL is completely another topic - has nothing to do with this discussion.

As for the all-star games from 30+ years ago...the NFL players were simply trying not to get hurt - hating playing the game in the first place, and were the reason the exhibitions ceased...the college players, on the other hand, were basically having their combine/scouting showcase against NFL players, and were busting their 4sses to get noticed. Again, has nothing to do with this discussion.