Could the USC Trojans beat the Houston Texans?

[supastar1568]

why are people voting yes???



what is wrong with you people. and why was the poll posted on a computer forum?? Anyone who votes yes is obviously ignorant to the game of football.

Go to a sports forum and there will be no one that answers yes

 

[ucdbiendog]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Hell no. No college team could beat an NFL team, the level of talent and speed in the NFL is far superior. The 0-14 Tampa Bay Bucs from 1979 would beat USC

damn straight. hit it right on the head.

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

will then, its just a matter of whose defines the word smoke eh? To me a QB that throws more INT than TD sux. And if they had a college offensive line protecting them against a NFL defense, yes they would get badly hurt very fast. I think the word smoked is in order

Touche then. To me a first year QB that throws for 3700 YDS and 26TDs did a hell of a job and shows some real true talent (not some rookie flamer that got smoked), even considering the amount of INTs. Turns out I'm right, he happens to be the best in the game.

Just so I get this straight, you are telling me that 3700 YDS and 26 TDs your rookie year is getting smoked?

Will you can't just stop there because we are trying to compare a college team to a NFL team, so you have to somehow project those numbers onto how the QB will do with a college offensive team around him and not a pro one. Also, it wouldn't even be entirely accurate to use the entire first year of the QB as the example. Only the first few games more accurately reflects the ability of a recent college QB against a NFL defense.....so if you can somehow post the first 2-3 game numbers instead of the entire season. Later games that QB would be considered a more seasoned NFL QB and not a college QB. Even when we take all that into account, the 3700 YDS is put up by Pyton Manning and is by far the biggest number in the list you provided he will still get smoked by a NFL defense because the rest of his offense lags just too far behind. I still believe that if you take even the best college QB, no matter how good he is, he will get smoked against a NFL team. He will need to play beyond just ok to make up for the lack of his offensive line.

 

[KoolDrew]

Originally posted by: yankeesfan
No way at all.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

will then, its just a matter of whose defines the word smoke eh? To me a QB that throws more INT than TD sux. And if they had a college offensive line protecting them against a NFL defense, yes they would get badly hurt very fast. I think the word smoked is in order

Touche then. To me a first year QB that throws for 3700 YDS and 26TDs did a hell of a job and shows some real true talent (not some rookie flamer that got smoked), even considering the amount of INTs. Turns out I'm right, he happens to be the best in the game.

Just so I get this straight, you are telling me that 3700 YDS and 26 TDs your rookie year is getting smoked?

Will you can't just stop there because we are trying to compare a college team to a NFL team, so you have to somehow project those numbers onto how the QB will do with a college offensive team around him and not a pro one. Also, it wouldn't even be entirely accurate to use the entire first year of the QB as the example. Only the first few games more accurately reflects the ability of a recent college QB against a NFL defense.....so if you can somehow post the first 2-3 game numbers instead of the entire season. Later games that QB would be considered a more seasoned NFL QB and not a college QB. Even when we take all that into account, the 3700 YDS is put up by Pyton Manning and is by far the biggest number in the list you provided he will still get smoked by a NFL defense because the rest of his offense lags just too far behind. I still believe that if you take even the best college QB, no matter how good he is, he will get smoked against a NFL team. He will need to play beyond just ok to make up for the lack of his offensive line.

I'm not going around and around with you on this, if you can't concede that some firts year NFL QBs come straight out of college and don't get smoked when the evidence is smacking you upside the head then fine, I don't know to explain to you any other way then your quote

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception.

is straight up wrong.

 

[supastar1568]

enough with the arguing about rookie QB's.





























Ryan Leaf Ownz Yo

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

will then, its just a matter of whose defines the word smoke eh? To me a QB that throws more INT than TD sux. And if they had a college offensive line protecting them against a NFL defense, yes they would get badly hurt very fast. I think the word smoked is in order

Touche then. To me a first year QB that throws for 3700 YDS and 26TDs did a hell of a job and shows some real true talent (not some rookie flamer that got smoked), even considering the amount of INTs. Turns out I'm right, he happens to be the best in the game.

Just so I get this straight, you are telling me that 3700 YDS and 26 TDs your rookie year is getting smoked?

Will you can't just stop there because we are trying to compare a college team to a NFL team, so you have to somehow project those numbers onto how the QB will do with a college offensive team around him and not a pro one. Also, it wouldn't even be entirely accurate to use the entire first year of the QB as the example. Only the first few games more accurately reflects the ability of a recent college QB against a NFL defense.....so if you can somehow post the first 2-3 game numbers instead of the entire season. Later games that QB would be considered a more seasoned NFL QB and not a college QB. Even when we take all that into account, the 3700 YDS is put up by Pyton Manning and is by far the biggest number in the list you provided he will still get smoked by a NFL defense because the rest of his offense lags just too far behind. I still believe that if you take even the best college QB, no matter how good he is, he will get smoked against a NFL team. He will need to play beyond just ok to make up for the lack of his offensive line.

I'm not going around and around with you on this, if you can't concede that some firts year NFL QBs come straight out of college and don't get smoked when the evidence is smacking you upside the head then fine, I don't know to explain to you any other way then your quote

very simply the few QB examples you listed is not evidence that a college QB has a chance against an NFL defense. Aite I don't want to go around in circles with you on this anymore either. Just ask yourself the question. Do you think there is an college offense that is capable of marching the ball 80 yard against an NFL team at least 1/10 of the time? I don't think any college QB is ready at this point is capable of handling this at this point and the weakness of his protection will make it even worst.

 

[classy]

THe Texans would rout the Trojans. I lay money that USC probably doesn't even score. The level of NFL is 10 times above that of college.

 

[NewSc2]

The Trojans' players are all like, 19-22. Texans? 22-35? Their offensive linemen would probably NEVER let the defensive line across, and even though Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush *might* be better than some players on the Texans, they probably wouldn't match up (at this point in time) with Houston's linebackers and corners.

Edit: Heck they barely beat Notre Dame, and Texans would romp the s&!$ out of Notre Dame

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: latino666

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
FWIW, here are the scores of the last few games between the College All Stars and the NFL Champs:
1971 Colts 24 All Stars 17
1972 Cowboys 20 All Stars 7
1973 Dolphins 14 All Stars 3 (remember, these were the undefeated Dolphins)
1974 No game, NFL strike
1975 Steelers 21 All Stars 14
1976 Game was suspended with the Steelers leading 24-0

So this was college players vs. the Super Bowl champs, not the worst team in the league. And the college boys were competitive.
So I don't think that it is a stretch to say a top college team today could beat an NFL bottom-dweller.

Edit: And remember, these college teams were graduated seniors only, not a real, cream-of-the-crop, bona-fide, All Star team. And they still performed respectably against teams that were reigning Super Bowl champs.

That was in the 70s. NFL caliber players today are bigger, stronger, and faster. IMHO USC would get whooped pretty bad.

and college players are bigger, stronger and faster.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: NewSc2
The Trojans' players are all like, 19-22. Texans? 22-35? Their offensive linemen would probably NEVER let the defensive line across, and even though Matt Leinart and Reggie Bush *might* be better than some players on the Texans, they probably wouldn't match up (at this point in time) with Houston's linebackers and corners.

Edit: Heck they barely beat Notre Dame, and Texans would romp the s&!$ out of Notre Dame

Notre dame *could* beat the texans too.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

will then, its just a matter of whose defines the word smoke eh? To me a QB that throws more INT than TD sux. And if they had a college offensive line protecting them against a NFL defense, yes they would get badly hurt very fast. I think the word smoked is in order

Touche then. To me a first year QB that throws for 3700 YDS and 26TDs did a hell of a job and shows some real true talent (not some rookie flamer that got smoked), even considering the amount of INTs. Turns out I'm right, he happens to be the best in the game.

Just so I get this straight, you are telling me that 3700 YDS and 26 TDs your rookie year is getting smoked?

Will you can't just stop there because we are trying to compare a college team to a NFL team, so you have to somehow project those numbers onto how the QB will do with a college offensive team around him and not a pro one. Also, it wouldn't even be entirely accurate to use the entire first year of the QB as the example. Only the first few games more accurately reflects the ability of a recent college QB against a NFL defense.....so if you can somehow post the first 2-3 game numbers instead of the entire season. Later games that QB would be considered a more seasoned NFL QB and not a college QB. Even when we take all that into account, the 3700 YDS is put up by Pyton Manning and is by far the biggest number in the list you provided he will still get smoked by a NFL defense because the rest of his offense lags just too far behind. I still believe that if you take even the best college QB, no matter how good he is, he will get smoked against a NFL team. He will need to play beyond just ok to make up for the lack of his offensive line.

I'm not going around and around with you on this, if you can't concede that some firts year NFL QBs come straight out of college and don't get smoked when the evidence is smacking you upside the head then fine, I don't know to explain to you any other way then your quote

very simply the few QB examples you listed is not evidence that a college QB has a chance against an NFL defense. Aite I don't want to go around in circles with you on this anymore either. Just ask yourself the question. Do you think there is an college offense that is capable of marching the ball 80 yard against an NFL team at least 1/10 of the time? I don't think any college QB is ready at this point is capable of handling this at this point and the weakness of his protection will make it even worst.

Sigh.. more smoke and mirrors.

I think you have a hard time conceding the fact that there are other first year QB's besides Ben that didn't get smoked, after all that was your original statement wasn't it? I have made it clear that there are others who haven't been smoked and that was my contention from the beginning of this argument. That wasn't clear to you? You can throw up the smoke and mirrors and try and throw other arguments into the mix, but the fact still remains I am talking about one single point, not if or how a QB will do right now. I figured throwing that point in quotations would have helped you to understand the "you've got this statement wrong" discussion I've been trying to have with you but I think clueless might be the name of the game here.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Hell no. No college team could beat an NFL team, the level of talent and speed in the NFL is far superior. The 0-14 Tampa Bay Bucs from 1979 would beat USC

:thumbsup:

 

[slvrsol]

Anyone who votes no hasn't seen the Texans play. Hell, I don't even know if you can consider the Texans NFL calibur. I bet most people can name more Trojans than Texans. Remember, the key word is "Could." Sure the Trojans could be 99 point underdogs, but then then answer to the question should still be yes. I doubt USC would have absolutely no chance considering some of their players are already better than Texans. Anything can happen on any given day.

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

More INT than TD is very unflattering
Now add in the inferior college offensive line vs a more physical NFL front 4 that will waltz into the QB buffet and those numbers will look even worse.

lol, you don't get it. I'm not saying they were superstars, just that there are some that didn't get smoked as you assert.

will then, its just a matter of whose defines the word smoke eh? To me a QB that throws more INT than TD sux. And if they had a college offensive line protecting them against a NFL defense, yes they would get badly hurt very fast. I think the word smoked is in order

Touche then. To me a first year QB that throws for 3700 YDS and 26TDs did a hell of a job and shows some real true talent (not some rookie flamer that got smoked), even considering the amount of INTs. Turns out I'm right, he happens to be the best in the game.

Just so I get this straight, you are telling me that 3700 YDS and 26 TDs your rookie year is getting smoked?

Will you can't just stop there because we are trying to compare a college team to a NFL team, so you have to somehow project those numbers onto how the QB will do with a college offensive team around him and not a pro one. Also, it wouldn't even be entirely accurate to use the entire first year of the QB as the example. Only the first few games more accurately reflects the ability of a recent college QB against a NFL defense.....so if you can somehow post the first 2-3 game numbers instead of the entire season. Later games that QB would be considered a more seasoned NFL QB and not a college QB. Even when we take all that into account, the 3700 YDS is put up by Pyton Manning and is by far the biggest number in the list you provided he will still get smoked by a NFL defense because the rest of his offense lags just too far behind. I still believe that if you take even the best college QB, no matter how good he is, he will get smoked against a NFL team. He will need to play beyond just ok to make up for the lack of his offensive line.

I'm not going around and around with you on this, if you can't concede that some firts year NFL QBs come straight out of college and don't get smoked when the evidence is smacking you upside the head then fine, I don't know to explain to you any other way then your quote

very simply the few QB examples you listed is not evidence that a college QB has a chance against an NFL defense. Aite I don't want to go around in circles with you on this anymore either. Just ask yourself the question. Do you think there is an college offense that is capable of marching the ball 80 yard against an NFL team at least 1/10 of the time? I don't think any college QB is ready at this point is capable of handling this at this point and the weakness of his protection will make it even worst.

Sigh.. more smoke and mirrors.

I think you have a hard time conceding the fact that there are other first year QB's besides Ben that didn't get smoked, after all that was your original statement wasn't it? I have made it clear that there are others who haven't been smoked and that was my contention from the beginning of this argument. That wasn't clear to you? You can throw up the smoke and mirrors and try and throw other arguments into the mix, but the fact still remains I am talking about one single point, not if or how a QB will do right now. I figured throwing that point in quotations would have helped you to understand the "you've got this statement wrong" discussion I've been trying to have with you but I think clueless might be the name of the game here.

Ummm Ok so my arguments are smoke and mirror and by saying I'm clueless invalidates all my points. I find it sad that most debates here slowly turns into a your dumb and cluess and I'm smart name calling contest. I won't go there with you because it's obvious your trying to slowly steer it in that direction. I'll sum up what I have to say plain and simple
1.) No college team can beat any NFL team period short of devine intervention
2.) A college QB will get smoked by a NFL defense

 

[dnuggett]

I don't care about all your points, guy. You may be right on all of them. I only care about one, re-read my post if you have to.

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: dnuggett
I don't care about all your points, guy. You may bne right on all of them. I only care about one, re-read my post if you have to.

I suspect I know exactly which one you are talking about, but wouldn't that be the exact same point that we both had already agreed upon that it was a matter of who defines it? Unless your still stuck on arguing that which I thought we both left behind quit a few post ago which I didn't further address because it has nothing to do with the orginal topic.

 

[alexjohnson16]

In addition to the Texans line dominating USC, their positional players would not be able to hang.

I doubt there's a player in college that could cover a healthy Andre Johnson or make an open field tackle on Domanick Davis.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
The best college football team could NEVER beat the worst NFL team, plain and simple.

Werd.. They used to play it called worldbowl I believe. Scores were like 105-0 Worst NFL team.

Remember fellas a mans peak is 28 not 22. Not only that the worst NFL team would have the former best from USC and a couple dozen other colleges players on it and discard 90% of the scraps who never made it to NFL dispite playing for a top college team

 

[Xenon]

You people that voted yes are truly clueless. Those of you citing top rookies making an impact the following year in the NFL are forgetting one thing. These guys are a year older and a year stronger when they do this. At that age that makes a big difference. The Texans O-line sucks because they can't block guys like Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney etc. Facing college players they would and David Carr would rip apart their defense.

Another note. The Texans gave up around week 4 when they were 0-3. They are not nearly as bad as they appear. Andre Johnson is a great example of that. He is not injured. Either his agent or himself decided it would better for him if he just sat for a while to keep his value from falling further.

 

[Captante]

Bottom line is that they used to play a game, I forget the name at the moment but it may have been the World-bowl as somone earlier mentioned & the reason they STOPPED playing it because it was a travesty year after year with the college all-star team just getting wasted & this years USC team wouldn't do any better.

 

[DainBramaged]

Originally posted by: Bumrush99
Hell no. No college team could beat an NFL team, the level of talent and speed in the NFL is far superior. The 0-14 Tampa Bay Bucs from 1979 would beat USC

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Xenon
You people that voted yes are truly clueless. Those of you citing top rookies making an impact the following year in the NFL are forgetting one thing. These guys are a year older and a year stronger when they do this. At that age that makes a big difference. The Texans O-line sucks because they can't block guys like Julius Peppers, Dwight Freeney etc. Facing college players they would and David Carr would rip apart their defense.

Another note. The Texans gave up around week 4 when they were 0-3. They are not nearly as bad as they appear. Andre Johnson is a great example of that. He is not injured. Either his agent or himself decided it would better for him if he just sat for a while to keep his value from falling further.

Yup these NFL defensive linemen would be in the backfeild before Bush even got the handoff.

Three words Bigger, stronger, faster - would be like Crenshaw HS kids playing USC.

 

[imported_Mike]

Alot of dreamers in this thread

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: supastar1568
For FOOTBALL no college team would EVER beat a pro Team.

Now for basketball, that may be a different story.

i actually think the talent spread is greater in basketball. Any college team would get demolished by the Hawks by atleast 40.