Could the USC Trojans beat the Houston Texans?

[Miramonti]

Its possible. If the '80 usa hockey team can beat the famed russians, anything can happen.

 

[NeoV]

it's not possible...

the 80 US hockey team was not as skilled as the Soviet team...but it's not like they were not as big or fast...

NFL vs college is men vs boys for the most part...

 

[Inspector Jihad]

actually, take the best college offense, defense, and special teams seperately to play the texans and it still wouldnt be a close game.

Same thing if you took last years UNC championship team even with so many guys that got drafted still would get run down by the Hawks

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: DLeRium
Actually the fight would be quite close but I think any NFL team would win. IT wouldn't be a dominant victory though.

I think a lot of arguments you guys are using are like "Oh look at Alex Smith, he sucks now, or Aaron Rodgers..." But the fact is we're talking Trojans vs NFL meaning Leinart and Bush stick with their teams still. The reason why many NCAAF players can't shine like they once did is not cuz they suck, but because the rythm of the game is slightly different and they're around different teammates.

I mean look at Leinart, he's still going to throw awesome passes and Bush is still going to run like crazy. Look at when Cal had #4 defense in the nation last year and in that thriller game, Bush was still on fire... I know that NFL teams are a lot better, but there's no way you're going to completely shut down SC's offense.

1 word for you my friend: Line. The USC line would be ABSOLUTELY DOMINATED on both sides of the ball. Without a line, you have no shot at winning a football game and the USC line would be completely overmatched. COMPLETELY.

Totally wrong. Houston's DL sucks, and most of USC's OL will probably play in the NFL.
Same for USC's DL.
Now there's no way USC could hang with the Steelers or the Patriots, but Houston? Yep.

You obviously know nothing about football. End of story.

 

[YetioDoom]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
The best college football team could NEVER beat the worst NFL team, plain and simple.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: latino666

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
FWIW, here are the scores of the last few games between the College All Stars and the NFL Champs:
1971 Colts 24 All Stars 17
1972 Cowboys 20 All Stars 7
1973 Dolphins 14 All Stars 3 (remember, these were the undefeated Dolphins)
1974 No game, NFL strike
1975 Steelers 21 All Stars 14
1976 Game was suspended with the Steelers leading 24-0

So this was college players vs. the Super Bowl champs, not the worst team in the league. And the college boys were competitive.
So I don't think that it is a stretch to say a top college team today could beat an NFL bottom-dweller.

Edit: And remember, these college teams were graduated seniors only, not a real, cream-of-the-crop, bona-fide, All Star team. And they still performed respectably against teams that were reigning Super Bowl champs.

That was in the 70s. NFL caliber players today are bigger, stronger, and faster. IMHO USC would get whooped pretty bad.

Yes, NFL players are bigger, stronger, and faster. So are college players. That argument is a wash.
And don't tell me those teams weren't trying. An NFL team didn't want to lose to college players, and the college guys certainly wanted to beat an NFL team.
If anything, there was more motivation for the NFL teams, since they were actually a real team, and the college guys were just a temporary team.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: latino666

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
FWIW, here are the scores of the last few games between the College All Stars and the NFL Champs:
1971 Colts 24 All Stars 17
1972 Cowboys 20 All Stars 7
1973 Dolphins 14 All Stars 3 (remember, these were the undefeated Dolphins)
1974 No game, NFL strike
1975 Steelers 21 All Stars 14
1976 Game was suspended with the Steelers leading 24-0

So this was college players vs. the Super Bowl champs, not the worst team in the league. And the college boys were competitive.
So I don't think that it is a stretch to say a top college team today could beat an NFL bottom-dweller.

Edit: And remember, these college teams were graduated seniors only, not a real, cream-of-the-crop, bona-fide, All Star team. And they still performed respectably against teams that were reigning Super Bowl champs.

That was in the 70s. NFL caliber players today are bigger, stronger, and faster. IMHO USC would get whooped pretty bad.

Yes, NFL players are bigger, stronger, and faster. So are college players. That argument is a wash.
And don't tell me those teams weren't trying. An NFL team didn't want to lose to college players, and the college guys certainly wanted to beat an NFL team.
If anything, there was more motivation for the NFL teams, since they were actually a real team, and the college guys were just a temporary team.

Those all star games were the first preseason game, where the NFL starters probably didn't play for more than a quarter.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: dnuggett
Wow, USC gained some popularity overnight!!

ESPN staff must have woken up.

USC offense, FSU defense and VT special teams could probably beat the Texans better than 50% of the time

There you go.
Maybe USC's entire team couldn't beat Houston by itself, but you could easily put a team together from USC, FSU, and VT, and let's add Texas, since everyone thinks there's no way any college players could win, and beat Houston.
If anyone thinks a pitiful team like Houston woiuld run rough-shod over a team made up of the best of those team's players, they simply don't know what they are talking about.

Go look at Houston's depth chart. And tell me you recognize anyone besides maybe the QB, who is the definition of suck.
There are 5-10 college QB's better than him right now. There are a LOT of NFL backups and 3rd stringers that are better. Yet he's their starter.
Same with their RB.
So why would anyone else think that Houston's coaching staff is so great that they've picked the rest of the lineup any better?
You don't think a college DL could hang with Houston's???
Do you realize that Houston's OL is on pace to basically get Carr killed this season? Yep, they are on track to give up over 100 sacks. Plus the knock-downs and hurries.

And some of you think Houston would score every time on a college team? Yeah, on Baylor, maybe.

The best college players routinely go on to start their first year or at least get significant PT in the NFL.
NFL scouts, coaches, and GM's are routinely wrong about whether players have what it takes to be an NFL player. There are hundreds and hundreds of guys that never make it because someone "thinks they aren't good enough", or some other reason.
Then they get a break and become a starter. Some never get a chance.
Then there are guys that are sure things, that suck from day one.
So to say that the absolute best of the best are always in the NFL isn't true.

And to say that the freaking Houston Texans are head and shoulders above any college team you can put together is just complete B.S.

 

[casper114]

They barely beat Notre Dame last week how could you expect them to beat an NFL team.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: latino666

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
FWIW, here are the scores of the last few games between the College All Stars and the NFL Champs:
1971 Colts 24 All Stars 17
1972 Cowboys 20 All Stars 7
1973 Dolphins 14 All Stars 3 (remember, these were the undefeated Dolphins)
1974 No game, NFL strike
1975 Steelers 21 All Stars 14
1976 Game was suspended with the Steelers leading 24-0

So this was college players vs. the Super Bowl champs, not the worst team in the league. And the college boys were competitive.
So I don't think that it is a stretch to say a top college team today could beat an NFL bottom-dweller.

Edit: And remember, these college teams were graduated seniors only, not a real, cream-of-the-crop, bona-fide, All Star team. And they still performed respectably against teams that were reigning Super Bowl champs.

That was in the 70s. NFL caliber players today are bigger, stronger, and faster. IMHO USC would get whooped pretty bad.

Yes, NFL players are bigger, stronger, and faster. So are college players. That argument is a wash.
And don't tell me those teams weren't trying. An NFL team didn't want to lose to college players, and the college guys certainly wanted to beat an NFL team.
If anything, there was more motivation for the NFL teams, since they were actually a real team, and the college guys were just a temporary team.

Those all star games were the first preseason game, where the NFL starters probably didn't play for more than a quarter.

You are talking about the Super Bowl Champs, though......and the OP was asking about the Houston Texans. The backups on the Super Bowl champs are better than Houston's starters.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: dnuggett
Wow, USC gained some popularity overnight!!

ESPN staff must have woken up.

USC offense, FSU defense and VT special teams could probably beat the Texans better than 50% of the time

There you go.
Maybe USC's entire team couldn't beat Houston by itself, but you could easily put a team together from USC, FSU, and VT, and let's add Texas, since everyone thinks there's no way any college players could win, and beat Houston.
If anyone thinks a pitiful team like Houston woiuld run rough-shod over a team made up of the best of those team's players, they simply don't know what they are talking about.

Go look at Houston's depth chart. And tell me you recognize anyone besides maybe the QB, who is the definition of suck.
There are 5-10 college QB's better than him right now. There are a LOT of NFL backups and 3rd stringers that are better. Yet he's their starter.
Same with their RB.
So why would anyone else think that Houston's coaching staff is so great that they've picked the rest of the lineup any better?
You don't think a college DL could hang with Houston's???
Do you realize that Houston's OL is on pace to basically get Carr killed this season? Yep, they are on track to give up over 100 sacks. Plus the knock-downs and hurries.

And some of you think Houston would score every time on a college team? Yeah, on Baylor, maybe.

The best college players routinely go on to start their first year or at least get significant PT in the NFL.
NFL scouts, coaches, and GM's are routinely wrong about whether players have what it takes to be an NFL player. There are hundreds and hundreds of guys that never make it because someone "thinks they aren't good enough", or some other reason.
Then they get a break and become a starter. Some never get a chance.
Then there are guys that are sure things, that suck from day one.
So to say that the absolute best of the best are always in the NFL isn't true.

And to say that the freaking Houston Texans are head and shoulders above any college team you can put together is just complete B.S.

Dude. Name "5-10 college QBs" who are better than David Carr. Please. Guys that would be better than David Carr in the NFL right now.

Answer is, nobody. No college QB, even Matt Leinart (who isn't even the best NCAA QB) could step into an NFL game tomorrow and do jack SHlT.

Domanick Davis is one of the top RBs in the NFL, period. Again, you know nothing about football and maybe it's time you read some posts before you spout off with your alleged football knowledge.

THERE IS NO WAY ANY COLLEGE TEAM COULD EVER BEAT EVEN THE WORST NFL TEAM
PERIOD
END OF STORY
GAME OVER
NO CHANCE

Just a simple fact. If you think otherwise, you need to watch some more football.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Dude. Name "5-10 college QBs" who are better than David Carr. Please. Guys that would be better than David Carr in the NFL right now.

Answer is, nobody. No college QB, even Matt Leinart (who isn't even the best NCAA QB) could step into an NFL game tomorrow and do jack SHlT.

Domanick Davis is one of the top RBs in the NFL, period. Again, you know nothing about football and maybe it's time you read some posts before you spout off with your alleged football knowledge.

THERE IS NO WAY ANY COLLEGE TEAM COULD EVER BEAT EVEN THE WORST NFL TEAM
PERIOD
END OF STORY
GAME OVER
NO CHANCE

Just a simple fact. If you think otherwise, you need to watch some more football.

Sorry, you are wrong.

Again, how many college players enter the NFL and start immediately, or at least get significant PT?

Answer, LOTS. And many of them aren't even high draft picks.

So that tells you right there that there are many college players that are better than the player that they are getting ready to replace next season in the pros.

So how many QB's are better than Carr right now?

Okay, Leinart at USC is definitely better. Would have been the #1 pick overall if he went pro as a junior, and he was better than Carr last year, too.
I'd put Marcus Vick, or Young from Texas in over Carr, if for no other reason than their scrambling ability...since Houston doesn't protect him. If either of those QB's is drafted by Houston, Carr won't be the starter for long. Maybe long enough for the new guy to learn the offense, then he's out.

I may have overstated a bit about there being 5-10 college QB's better than Carr right now, since this is a weak year for QB's in college. I will bet that there are more than 5 college QB's that will end up being better than Carr.
But, most years that is true. Carr isn't a good QB, but they spent a lot of money on him and he is going to play because of that.
But in a strong year, there are many QB's that are better out of college. Look 2 years ago...Philip Rivers and Big Ben were both better out of college than Carr is now, after several years in the NFL.
In fact, only River's holdout kept him from beating out Drew Brees for the starting job, which would have kept Brees from having his Pro Bowl season last year.
Rothlisberger beat out Maddox after Maddox was healthy, and he was fresh out of college.

So don't tell me that there aren't college players, that RIGHT NOW are better than someone in the NFL that is playing the same position. Otherwise, they wouldn't start immediately or soon after arriving in the NFL.
It is NOT a fact that every player on every NFL team is far better than any college player.

So it seems that YOU are the one who needs to watch some more football.

 

[BudAshes]

I doubt it cause the texans line might actually beable to block college kids. And whos gonna cover andre if carr has time?

 

[ElFenix]

ohio state used to say they were the best football team in the state of ohio

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb

Originally posted by: konichiwa
Dude. Name "5-10 college QBs" who are better than David Carr. Please. Guys that would be better than David Carr in the NFL right now.

Answer is, nobody. No college QB, even Matt Leinart (who isn't even the best NCAA QB) could step into an NFL game tomorrow and do jack SHlT.

Domanick Davis is one of the top RBs in the NFL, period. Again, you know nothing about football and maybe it's time you read some posts before you spout off with your alleged football knowledge.

THERE IS NO WAY ANY COLLEGE TEAM COULD EVER BEAT EVEN THE WORST NFL TEAM
PERIOD
END OF STORY
GAME OVER
NO CHANCE

Just a simple fact. If you think otherwise, you need to watch some more football.

Sorry, you are wrong.

Again, how many college players enter the NFL and start immediately, or at least get significant PT?

Answer, LOTS. And many of them aren't even high draft picks.

So that tells you right there that there are many college players that are better than the player that they are getting ready to replace next season in the pros.

So how many QB's are better than Carr right now?

Okay, Leinart at USC is definitely better. Would have been the #1 pick overall if he went pro as a junior, and he was better than Carr last year, too.
I'd put Marcus Vick, or Young from Texas in over Carr, if for no other reason than their scrambling ability...since Houston doesn't protect him. If either of those QB's is drafted by Houston, Carr won't be the starter for long. Maybe long enough for the new guy to learn the offense, then he's out.

I may have overstated a bit about there being 5-10 college QB's better than Carr right now, since this is a weak year for QB's in college. I will bet that there are more than 5 college QB's that will end up being better than Carr.
But, most years that is true. Carr isn't a good QB, but they spent a lot of money on him and he is going to play because of that.
But in a strong year, there are many QB's that are better out of college. Look 2 years ago...Philip Rivers and Big Ben were both better out of college than Carr is now, after several years in the NFL.
In fact, only River's holdout kept him from beating out Drew Brees for the starting job, which would have kept Brees from having his Pro Bowl season last year.
Rothlisberger beat out Maddox after Maddox was healthy, and he was fresh out of college.

So don't tell me that there aren't college players, that RIGHT NOW are better than someone in the NFL that is playing the same position. Otherwise, they wouldn't start immediately or soon after arriving in the NFL.
It is NOT a fact that every player on every NFL team is far better than any college player.

So it seems that YOU are the one who needs to watch some more football.

Well how bout them apples?

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: PacfanwebSorry, you are wrong.

Again, how many college players enter the NFL and start immediately, or at least get significant PT?

Answer, LOTS. And many of them aren't even high draft picks.

Please, name a few. Let's just talk about QBs. Alex Smith? Philip Rivers? Are you kidding? Even if these guys are playing better than Carr NOW (which they're not) you're ignoring the simple fact that they have months and months of preparing for their first NFL game. If you threw ANY college QB in the NFL the day after he graduated he would get his ass HANDED to him.

I'm talking Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, anybody. Period. Put any college QB in the NFL a day after his last college game and he would get smoked. No argument. Just look at guys like Smith and Rivers, it takes them YEARS of careful preparation and practice to even get a few snaps in the NFL and please name me more than 10 QBs who have succeeded marvellously in their first year out of college, even with 16+ months of preparation.

To even say that Leinart could go into an NFL game tomorrow and play like he does in college is absurd. Assinine.

...So how many QB's are better than Carr right now?

Okay, Leinart at USC is definitely better. Would have been the #1 pick overall if he went pro as a junior, and he was better than Carr last year, too.
I'd put Marcus Vick, or Young from Texas in over Carr, if for no other reason than their scrambling ability...since Houston doesn't protect him. If either of those QB's is drafted by Houston, Carr won't be the starter for long. Maybe long enough for the new guy to learn the offense, then he's out.

So you prove my point. The question posed in this thread was whether USC COULD BEAT THE TEXANS, RIGHT NOW. "Give them time to learn the offense" ??? That's not part of the equation, buddy. The #1 obstacle for college QBs in the NFL is not that they lack skill, decision-making, ability or anything. It's the simple fact that an NFL football game is a completely different animal than a college game. Most people just dont get that, and you seem to be one of them.

I may have overstated a bit about there being 5-10 college QB's better than Carr right now, since this is a weak year for QB's in college. I will bet that there are more than 5 college QB's that will end up being better than Carr.
But, most years that is true. Carr isn't a good QB, but they spent a lot of money on him and he is going to play because of that.
But in a strong year, there are many QB's that are better out of college. Look 2 years ago...Philip Rivers and Big Ben were both better out of college than Carr is now, after several years in the NFL.

Philip Rivers? Are you kidding me man? Your ignorance is showing...Philip Rivers is playing the bench right now. Big Ben, MAYBE, but let's not forget that he also had the benefit of mini camps, preseason and months of practice and training to learn not only the NFL game but the Steelers offense. And let's also not forget that he just happened to plop into the team with the best defense in the NFL, the best O-Line in the NFL, a top-2 running game in the NFL and a top-5 receiving corps (Plax, Hines Ward, etc)

Awful comparison. Moving along...

In fact, only River's holdout kept him from beating out Drew Brees for the starting job, which would have kept Brees from having his Pro Bowl season last year.
Rothlisberger beat out Maddox after Maddox was healthy, and he was fresh out of college.

Is that so? Then please explain to me why Rivers is still warming the bench. I'm not even sure why you're arguing Rivers and Big Ben, this argument is about USC versus the Texans.

The situation that Rivers and Big Ben jumped into is NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING like the one that the OP is postulating with USC going against the Texans tomorrow. You just don't seem to be able to understand that.

Check out this thread, buddy. You're far outnumbered; do you think there's a reason for that? My guess is either you're a huge USC fan and that's blinding your senses a bit, but anybody who knows football knows that a college team facing off against any team in the NFL stands no chance. None.

And I love them apples. If you have any pertinent comparisons, please share, but every single point that you've put forth so far is apples to oranges...

 

[AbsolutZero]

Definately not. But I would enjoy watching SC get the cr_p beat out of them trying.

 

[thesurge]

no, way.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: PacfanwebSorry, you are wrong.

Again, how many college players enter the NFL and start immediately, or at least get significant PT?

Answer, LOTS. And many of them aren't even high draft picks.

Please, name a few. Let's just talk about QBs. Alex Smith? Philip Rivers? Are you kidding? Even if these guys are playing better than Carr NOW (which they're not) you're ignoring the simple fact that they have months and months of preparing for their first NFL game. If you threw ANY college QB in the NFL the day after he graduated he would get his ass HANDED to him.

I'm talking Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, anybody. Period. Put any college QB in the NFL a day after his last college game and he would get smoked. No argument. Just look at guys like Smith and Rivers, it takes them YEARS of careful preparation and practice to even get a few snaps in the NFL and please name me more than 10 QBs who have succeeded marvellously in their first year out of college, even with 16+ months of preparation.

To even say that Leinart could go into an NFL game tomorrow and play like he does in college is absurd. Assinine.

...So how many QB's are better than Carr right now?

Okay, Leinart at USC is definitely better. Would have been the #1 pick overall if he went pro as a junior, and he was better than Carr last year, too.
I'd put Marcus Vick, or Young from Texas in over Carr, if for no other reason than their scrambling ability...since Houston doesn't protect him. If either of those QB's is drafted by Houston, Carr won't be the starter for long. Maybe long enough for the new guy to learn the offense, then he's out.

So you prove my point. The question posed in this thread was whether USC COULD BEAT THE TEXANS, RIGHT NOW. "Give them time to learn the offense" ??? That's not part of the equation, buddy. The #1 obstacle for college QBs in the NFL is not that they lack skill, decision-making, ability or anything. It's the simple fact that an NFL football game is a completely different animal than a college game. Most people just dont get that, and you seem to be one of them.

I may have overstated a bit about there being 5-10 college QB's better than Carr right now, since this is a weak year for QB's in college. I will bet that there are more than 5 college QB's that will end up being better than Carr.
But, most years that is true. Carr isn't a good QB, but they spent a lot of money on him and he is going to play because of that.
But in a strong year, there are many QB's that are better out of college. Look 2 years ago...Philip Rivers and Big Ben were both better out of college than Carr is now, after several years in the NFL.

Philip Rivers? Are you kidding me man? Your ignorance is showing...Philip Rivers is playing the bench right now. Big Ben, MAYBE, but let's not forget that he also had the benefit of mini camps, preseason and months of practice and training to learn not only the NFL game but the Steelers offense. And let's also not forget that he just happened to plop into the team with the best defense in the NFL, the best O-Line in the NFL, a top-2 running game in the NFL and a top-5 receiving corps (Plax, Hines Ward, etc)

Awful comparison. Moving along...

In fact, only River's holdout kept him from beating out Drew Brees for the starting job, which would have kept Brees from having his Pro Bowl season last year.
Rothlisberger beat out Maddox after Maddox was healthy, and he was fresh out of college.

Is that so? Then please explain to me why Rivers is still warming the bench. I'm not even sure why you're arguing Rivers and Big Ben, this argument is about USC versus the Texans.

The situation that Rivers and Big Ben jumped into is NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING like the one that the OP is postulating with USC going against the Texans tomorrow. You just don't seem to be able to understand that.

Check out this thread, buddy. You're far outnumbered; do you think there's a reason for that? My guess is either you're a huge USC fan and that's blinding your senses a bit, but anybody who knows football knows that a college team facing off against any team in the NFL stands no chance. None.

And I love them apples. If you have any pertinent comparisons, please share, but every single point that you've put forth so far is apples to oranges...

Ummm.. them apples taste good. Lol, seriously, I don't think USC would come within 35 of the Texans. But statsistically speaking there is a chance USC wins. It's about the same chance as me hitting the lottery. Coincidentally I bought a ticket today.


BTW the 1st year guys that had decent seasons their rookie year were....

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Only two of them had more TDs than INTs


The avg QB their rookie season has 1340 YDS 8 TDs and 9 INTs

Ryan Leaf had 2 TDs and 15 INTs his rookie season.

 

[Pacfanweb]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: PacfanwebSorry, you are wrong.

Again, how many college players enter the NFL and start immediately, or at least get significant PT?

Answer, LOTS. And many of them aren't even high draft picks.

Please, name a few. Let's just talk about QBs. Alex Smith? Philip Rivers? Are you kidding? Even if these guys are playing better than Carr NOW (which they're not) you're ignoring the simple fact that they have months and months of preparing for their first NFL game. If you threw ANY college QB in the NFL the day after he graduated he would get his ass HANDED to him.

I'm talking Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, anybody. Period. Put any college QB in the NFL a day after his last college game and he would get smoked. No argument. Just look at guys like Smith and Rivers, it takes them YEARS of careful preparation and practice to even get a few snaps in the NFL and please name me more than 10 QBs who have succeeded marvellously in their first year out of college, even with 16+ months of preparation.

To even say that Leinart could go into an NFL game tomorrow and play like he does in college is absurd. Assinine.
Who said anyone had to go into the NFL the day after his last college game? So a college player can't go to the NFL training camp, and preseason just like an NFL player does?
You do realize that they have spring practice and fall training camp in college too, right?
You think Carr could walk into USC and take Leinart's job right now?
Hell no, he couldn't. He wouldn't know the plays, the players, the coaches...nothing.
Your comparison is invalid.
Of course any college player would have to get up to speed on his particular team's playbook, but many do and start or get significant PT their first year. I'm not going to bother listing them because there would be hundreds.

...So how many QB's are better than Carr right now?

Okay, Leinart at USC is definitely better. Would have been the #1 pick overall if he went pro as a junior, and he was better than Carr last year, too.
I'd put Marcus Vick, or Young from Texas in over Carr, if for no other reason than their scrambling ability...since Houston doesn't protect him. If either of those QB's is drafted by Houston, Carr won't be the starter for long. Maybe long enough for the new guy to learn the offense, then he's out.

So you prove my point. The question posed in this thread was whether USC COULD BEAT THE TEXANS, RIGHT NOW. "Give them time to learn the offense" ??? That's not part of the equation, buddy. The #1 obstacle for college QBs in the NFL is not that they lack skill, decision-making, ability or anything. It's the simple fact that an NFL football game is a completely different animal than a college game. Most people just dont get that, and you seem to be one of them.
No, the question says NOTHING about whether USC could beat Houston "right now". It just asks if they could beat them.
So no, you can't take a college QB out of college right now and have him displace Carr, just like you can't take Carr out of the NFL right now and displace any good college QB.
I mean, what a stupid freaking scenario you created. So a college QB's only chance in your comparison to an NFL QB is he has to be able to walk up behind the NFL center and take a snap....all without going to a single practice? That's beyond stupid.
Any valid comparison would automatically assume that said college QB gets the same chance at learning the system in camp that the imcumbent starter does.
And if he wins the job in his first year, then that means he was better all along, including his last year in college. Just because a college QB doesn't know the new system doesn't mean he isn't better.

I may have overstated a bit about there being 5-10 college QB's better than Carr right now, since this is a weak year for QB's in college. I will bet that there are more than 5 college QB's that will end up being better than Carr.
But, most years that is true. Carr isn't a good QB, but they spent a lot of money on him and he is going to play because of that.
But in a strong year, there are many QB's that are better out of college. Look 2 years ago...Philip Rivers and Big Ben were both better out of college than Carr is now, after several years in the NFL.

Philip Rivers? Are you kidding me man? Your ignorance is showing...Philip Rivers is playing the bench right now. Big Ben, MAYBE, but let's not forget that he also had the benefit of mini camps, preseason and months of practice and training to learn not only the NFL game but the Steelers offense. And let's also not forget that he just happened to plop into the team with the best defense in the NFL, the best O-Line in the NFL, a top-2 running game in the NFL and a top-5 receiving corps (Plax, Hines Ward, etc)

Awful comparison. Moving along...

In fact, only River's holdout kept him from beating out Drew Brees for the starting job, which would have kept Brees from having his Pro Bowl season last year.
Rothlisberger beat out Maddox after Maddox was healthy, and he was fresh out of college.

Is that so? Then please explain to me why Rivers is still warming the bench. I'm not even sure why you're arguing Rivers and Big Ben, this argument is about USC versus the Texans.

The situation that Rivers and Big Ben jumped into is NOTHING, I repeat, NOTHING like the one that the OP is postulating with USC going against the Texans tomorrow. You just don't seem to be able to understand that.

Check out this thread, buddy. You're far outnumbered; do you think there's a reason for that? My guess is either you're a huge USC fan and that's blinding your senses a bit, but anybody who knows football knows that a college team facing off against any team in the NFL stands no chance. None.

And I love them apples. If you have any pertinent comparisons, please share, but every single point that you've put forth so far is apples to oranges...

YOU are the one who A. can't stay on topic, and B. evidently don't understand football very well.
First of all, regarding Rivers.....I answered the very question you just posed in the original post.
Here it is again...read very slowly and let it sink in this time:

In fact, only River's holdout kept him from beating out Drew Brees for the starting job, which would have kept Brees from having his Pro Bowl season last year.

So your answer as to why Philip is still the backup is right there. Brees had his Pro Bowl year last year, and the only reason he even was the starter was due to River's holdout.
And that is San Diego's fault completely...they ended up giving Rivers basically what he asked for in the first place, but they do that a lot...different subject altogether. I'll be glad to see him traded to a real organization.
But yes, Rivers is just as good, if not better than Brees. They aren't going to demote a guy who went to the Pro Bowl, even if they do think it was a fluke year, which they do.
This is Brees' chance to prove them wrong.
Either way, Philip will be starting somewhere next year, and would have been last year if he had gotten into camp on time. He was the best QB in the country coming out of college.

And no, I'm no USC fanboy....in fact, I really don't like them. Would like to see them lose so VT gets a shot at Texas.

You also forget that this conversation morphed from just USC to a college all-star team not being able to even compete with an NFL team.
Which I proved not to be true, since college all-stars used to play the Super Bowl champs and compete with and even win games.
And there may not have been as much motivation for either side in those games, I will admit, but if the pros were so superior, as you and others think, then every game should have been a huge blowout even for a disinterested pro team.

Edit: Okay, I'll tell you what: Maybe USC alone wouldn't beat Houston. The game would definitely be competitive, and if they played ten times, I do think USC would win a few, but okay, let's say that they wouldn't:
Fine, but as this conversation sort of progressed to, you could easily pick a team of college all-stars that would stomp Houston. Easily.
Put them together, let the practice and prepare in spring camp and fall camp, just like college teams do, and Houston won't EVER win a game.

Remember, the original post said COLLEGE RULES, NOT NFL. That takes away the pro advantage of time to prepare.

 

[manly]

Probably not, but FSU could possibly overrun the Texans O-line and knock David Carr out of the game.

 

[happybelly]

One of the reasons David Carr is so bad is because of his O-line not being able to block anybody. They would be able to block a College D-line much better. Carr has pretty good talent, he just needs some help to show it.

 

[aswedc]

THERE IS NO WAY ANY COLLEGE TEAM COULD EVER BEAT EVEN THE WORST NFL TEAM
PERIOD
END OF STORY
GAME OVER
NO CHANCE

Just a simple fact. If you think otherwise, you need to watch some more football.

I think YOU need to watch more football.

Winning games is about much more than talent level.

It's been said again and again only the "best" from college football go to the NFL.

The NFL has so much parity it's ridiculous. And yet there are still teams which are head and shoulders about others. Are the Eagles really more talented than the Texans? No, not that much. Remember the Dolphins beating New England last year?

Look at the professional clubs that think bringing in a star will make them a different team. Most of the time, it doesn't work.

It's all about the group. You can have all the talent in the world, and play a team that works, and get beaten. USC is a team that works. They could beat the Texans. It isn't likely, but thats more because of size than talent.

PS. About your QB argument. College QBs struggle because they have to learn a new system from what they played in at college. Not only that, but with a completely new team. Simple as that. Vinny Testaverde is a pretty decent QB with lots of NFL experience right? Too bad he looks like a rookie with the Jets this year. And he's played with them before!

EDIT: Another argument for the team being more important. Look at all the missed assignments or tackles, poorly run routes, miscommunication, fumbles, dropped punts, etc. in the NFL. USC sure makes less stupid mistakes then some of these teams that are supposed to be worlds away from college football.

 

[slvrsol]

great post! the question is Could they win.. . if they played each other 50 times, i guarantee that the Texans would not win every time. Everyone who keeps saying.. "have you watched football?," I will ask you if you have even seen the Texans play? They are so bad from their players all the way to the coaches. They also don't have their best offensive player(who has sucked pretty bad this year) and just lost arguably their best defensive player. They are a team of nobodies now. Their first pick next year will instantly become their best player. Oh and what do you know.. it will be Reggie Bush or Matt Leinart.

 

[Ready]

Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule