Could the USC Trojans beat the Houston Texans?

[mrchan]

Anyone that votes Yes, probably doesn't watch football.

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

 

[kalster]

texans would beat SC, but they would give up a bunch of yards , their run defense is horrendous, bush and white would put up some good yards on them

 

[dainthomas]

Originally posted by: juiio
Not to mention that it says "College All-Stars", and not one particular college.

And, of course, neither team would have been playing seriously, since they wouldn't want to get hurt in a meaningless exhibition.

This is it, in a nutshell. They probably played all second/third stringers.

College players are 18-22 y/o boys. NFL players are full-grown men, who've had much more time to increase their muscle mass and stamina. This would be like a champion high school team playing any college team. In other words, not pretty.

 

[kalster]

btw just to add, all Pro teams would take advantage of USC's secondary problems, if Carr has any sort of protection from his O-line against SC they would torch the secondary (and i am a USC fan), they need to improve their secondary /defence play this year considerably

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: mrchan
Anyone that votes Yes, probably doesn't watch football.

Thank you for summing the answer to this question up in a sentence. I'm tired of arguing with people who don't know a thing about football. Getting old.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
The best college football team could NEVER beat the worst NFL team, plain and simple.

If you combined the last 2-3 years of USC teams...that team could beat the texans.

 

[slvrsol]

the best team doesn't always win. If USC played over their heads and Texans played as bad as they could, why not? People are forgetting about coaching and chemistry as well, two categories that are just as important as talent. Two areas where the Trojans trump the Texans.

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: slvrsol
the best team doesn't always win. If USC played over their heads and Texans played as bad as they could, why not? People are forgetting about coaching and chemistry as well, two categories that are just as important as talent. Two areas where the Trojans trump the Texans.

Pete Carrol sucked as an NFL coach.

 

[Tom]

Originally posted by: latino666

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
FWIW, here are the scores of the last few games between the College All Stars and the NFL Champs:
1971 Colts 24 All Stars 17
1972 Cowboys 20 All Stars 7
1973 Dolphins 14 All Stars 3 (remember, these were the undefeated Dolphins)
1974 No game, NFL strike
1975 Steelers 21 All Stars 14
1976 Game was suspended with the Steelers leading 24-0

So this was college players vs. the Super Bowl champs, not the worst team in the league. And the college boys were competitive.
So I don't think that it is a stretch to say a top college team today could beat an NFL bottom-dweller.

Edit: And remember, these college teams were graduated seniors only, not a real, cream-of-the-crop, bona-fide, All Star team. And they still performed respectably against teams that were reigning Super Bowl champs.

That was in the 70s. NFL caliber players today are bigger, stronger, and faster. IMHO USC would get whooped pretty bad.

So are today's college players, so that wouldn't matter.

 

[kalster]

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: slvrsol
the best team doesn't always win. If USC played over their heads and Texans played as bad as they could, why not? People are forgetting about coaching and chemistry as well, two categories that are just as important as talent. Two areas where the Trojans trump the Texans.

Pete Carrol sucked as an NFL coach.

how does that matter when he coaches a 'college team'

 

[SirPsycho]

Originally posted by: CVSiN
no i doubt they can even beat Texas.... Pac 10 are wussies..

That's why half of the Pac-10 has been in the top 25 this season, right? USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State... they must all suck so badly for the coaches to think so highly of them.

 

[Ready]

Originally posted by: SirPsycho

Originally posted by: CVSiN
no i doubt they can even beat Texas.... Pac 10 are wussies..

That's why half of the Pac-10 has been in the top 25 this season, right? USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State... they must all suck so badly for the coaches to think so highly of them.

Didn't you know, CVSiN's internet opinion is far more respected and recognized than any of them coaches

 

[Nitemare]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: SirPsycho

Originally posted by: CVSiN
no i doubt they can even beat Texas.... Pac 10 are wussies..

That's why half of the Pac-10 has been in the top 25 this season, right? USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State... they must all suck so badly for the coaches to think so highly of them.

Didn't you know, CVSiN's internet opinion is far more respected and recognized than any of them coaches

An what percentage of the AP is on the west coast?

 

[Gibsons]

Originally posted by: kalster

Originally posted by: Gibsons

Originally posted by: slvrsol
the best team doesn't always win. If USC played over their heads and Texans played as bad as they could, why not? People are forgetting about coaching and chemistry as well, two categories that are just as important as talent. Two areas where the Trojans trump the Texans.

Pete Carrol sucked as an NFL coach.

how does that matter when he coaches a 'college team'

because he'd be coaching against an NFL team (barely )

 

[Tea Bag]

Originally posted by: Tom

Originally posted by: latino666

Originally posted by: Pacfanweb
FWIW, here are the scores of the last few games between the College All Stars and the NFL Champs:
1971 Colts 24 All Stars 17
1972 Cowboys 20 All Stars 7
1973 Dolphins 14 All Stars 3 (remember, these were the undefeated Dolphins)
1974 No game, NFL strike
1975 Steelers 21 All Stars 14
1976 Game was suspended with the Steelers leading 24-0

So this was college players vs. the Super Bowl champs, not the worst team in the league. And the college boys were competitive.
So I don't think that it is a stretch to say a top college team today could beat an NFL bottom-dweller.

Edit: And remember, these college teams were graduated seniors only, not a real, cream-of-the-crop, bona-fide, All Star team. And they still performed respectably against teams that were reigning Super Bowl champs.

That was in the 70s. NFL caliber players today are bigger, stronger, and faster. IMHO USC would get whooped pretty bad.

So are today's college players, so that wouldn't matter.

I agree that the players performance-wise in college and in the pros have increased over the years, but look at USC's roster. They are all very good players, but how many on their starting roster could make it in the NFL and start next year?

Even with a 10 to 20 percent (an extremely liberal guess) estimate of the players on USC's roster who have a legitimate shot at making it in the NFL, you have 80% of the players on the field at any given time don't have the skill level against an entire NFL team that consists of players from around the nation, colleges or otherwise that could make it.

 

[supastar1568]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!

didnt even read thread, just the title

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: SirPsycho

Originally posted by: CVSiN
no i doubt they can even beat Texas.... Pac 10 are wussies..

That's why half of the Pac-10 has been in the top 25 this season, right? USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State... they must all suck so badly for the coaches to think so highly of them.

Give it a few more weeks and half of those teams will plummet. There's just no comparison between the PAC10 and major powerhouse conferences like the Big10 (on the decline...) and the SEC.

Put a UCLA, Cal, Oregon, ASU in either of those conferences and they get smoked.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: SirPsycho

Originally posted by: CVSiN
no i doubt they can even beat Texas.... Pac 10 are wussies..

That's why half of the Pac-10 has been in the top 25 this season, right? USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State... they must all suck so badly for the coaches to think so highly of them.

Give it a few more weeks and half of those teams will plummet. There's just no comparison between the PAC10 and major powerhouse conferences like the Big10 (on the decline...) and the SEC.

Put a UCLA, Cal, Oregon, ASU in either of those conferences and they get smoked.

I disagree. You guys are just jealous. Pretty much Cal just got fvcked up last week and everyone was They will win this weekend and UCLA will too so pretty much they just keep rising.

 

[SirPsycho]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: SirPsycho

Originally posted by: CVSiN
no i doubt they can even beat Texas.... Pac 10 are wussies..

That's why half of the Pac-10 has been in the top 25 this season, right? USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State... they must all suck so badly for the coaches to think so highly of them.

Didn't you know, CVSiN's internet opinion is far more respected and recognized than any of them coaches

An what percentage of the AP is on the west coast?

I'm talking about the Coaches Poll, not the AP poll, and incidentally, they're almost always the same or very similar.

 

[supastar1568]

For FOOTBALL no college team would EVER beat a pro Team.

Now for basketball, that may be a different story.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: SirPsycho

Originally posted by: CVSiN
no i doubt they can even beat Texas.... Pac 10 are wussies..

That's why half of the Pac-10 has been in the top 25 this season, right? USC, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, Arizona State... they must all suck so badly for the coaches to think so highly of them.

Give it a few more weeks and half of those teams will plummet. There's just no comparison between the PAC10 and major powerhouse conferences like the Big10 (on the decline...) and the SEC.

Put a UCLA, Cal, Oregon, ASU in either of those conferences and they get smoked.

I disagree. You guys are just jealous. Pretty much Cal just got fvcked up last week and everyone was They will win this weekend and UCLA will too so pretty much they just keep rising.

Okay. Whatever. Notwithstanding USC, most teams in the Pac10 are pretty mediocre. Just look at the SEC and Big10, they have national title contenders every year. Multiple. Without USC the Pac10 would be an average conference, but take any one major powerhouse out of the Big10 or SEC and it's still as strong of a conference as it was before:

Georgia, Alabama, Florida, Tennessee, LSU, Auburn
Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Iowa

 

[dnuggett]

Originally posted by: Ready

Originally posted by: dnuggett

Originally posted by: Ready
Even though I do agree any college QB would get smoked in their first year even, Big Ben has been the lone exception to the rule

You still agree any first year QB would get smoked after seeing my post regarding first year stats?

Yeah I said I agree that any first year QB would get smoked, though Ben has been the lone exception. He did have alot of help on both offense and especially defense. A defense that allow him to play fairly conservatively.

So you call these stats below getting smoked as a rookie?

Rick Mirer 2833 YDS 12TDs 17 INTs
Jeff George 2152 16 13
Drew Bledsoe 2494 15 15
Peyton Manning 3739 26 28
Tim Couch 2447 15 13
David Carr 2871 12 15
Joey Harrington 2298 12 16


Granted, there are a high number of INTs, but this is not getting smoked.

 

[konichiwa]

Peyton is the only one who really stands out there. <2500 yards and less than 1 TD/game and in most cases more than 1 INT/game is not really a very good performance...