Could this election have been fixed?

[Pliablemoose]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Pliablemoose
If I can see some verified data on a major media website I'll look @ the data. Till then, looking @ the main site is enough to make me want to puke.

Keep it up, the Libertarians will be the 2nd party soon.

Politics is not for the fainthearted, nor for those slow of foot.

While you're arguing this crap, the Democrats are already reinventing themselves.

The Dems lost the young latino vote, that says a lot.

You guys are akin to the gazelle that stops to look @ his buddy that just got taken down by the lion, the lion's buddy will make lunch out of you, run fool. 06' is coming & the public is tired of the partisanship & crap.

And that would be bad? That would be GREAT.

You're shouting again conjur...

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: chess9
In Florida, voters who do not select a party, or who select Independent, as I did, are denominated 'OTHER" on the rolls. I don't know why they don't show up on the tabulation posted by Conjur, other than their numbers might not be relevant.
-Robert

..or because it hurts their point.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Wait till Michael Moore and George Soros and Moveon get ahold of this one

Please, please pursue this with all your energy! It will resonate with the American public like you can't believe. Tie this into "Bush knew" and you've got the next campaign lined up!


Maybe by 2012 you'll start to understand...



(PS Kudos to the scant smattering of reasonble libs (if you count red dawn as a lib - gosh it looks like nobody is!) who are discounting this silliness. The rest of you - well what else could be expected. 48 hours later, right back into your old habits that failed you last time).

Alchemize where have YOU been? Opposition to this unverified "black box" voting has been a *major* issue in this country for some time now, not that it's gotten any meaningful attention from the powers that be. There was even a bill introduced in the Congress to mandate "voter-verifiable paper trails", which I assume has since fizzled due to conspicuous lack of *Republican* support.

Edit here's a good link showing bills and fraud already perpetrated.
http://www.wheresthepaper.org/links.html

 

[drewshin]

i still dont understand why there is so much pressure by the conservatives against paper trails from the voting machines. it would benefit both parties, and voters.

 

[glugglug]

Originally posted by: drewshin
i still dont understand why there is so much pressure by the conservatives against paper trails from the voting machines. it would benefit both parties, and voters.

Not if one of the parties, to which the voting machine manufacturer is a major contributor, is CHEATING, which they are.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: glugglug

Originally posted by: drewshin
i still dont understand why there is so much pressure by the conservatives against paper trails from the voting machines. it would benefit both parties, and voters.

Not if one of the parties, to which the voting machine manufacturer is a major contributor, is CHEATING, which they are.

TFH

 

[slyedog]

hey libs, do you ever think that maybe the dem's made maybe one little mistake in loosing this election. or did they do everything right and we just rigged the election? well hilliary in 08 will be a bigger mistake than you made in 04 with heinz kerry. and if you think the libs are liked in america, libs not democrats,
just check the map in usa-today. almost solid red


ps-how abt the minority leader- booted out


POOR LIBS-they suck

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: drewshin
i still dont understand why there is so much pressure by the conservatives against paper trails from the voting machines. it would benefit both parties, and voters.

Not to mention benefit our so called "democracy"... Course there is no reason to oppose it ....

 

[Warthog912]

Jesus Christ, you guys make me sick.

Registered Republican here, If Kerry would've won... Personally I wouldn't have had a problem with it. Heaven forbid Bush win-

He Cheated!!!
How can the polls be THIS wrong?!?
Bush stole two elections in a row.

America has spoken. Get over it. People like you (you know who you are) just make this country a miserable place to live in sometimes. Move on, regroup and surge again in 2008. Don't divide and conquer, it won't work.

The overcoming Liberalism within this particular forum is out of control. Take a deep breath, walk away from the monitor and go outside sometime, then you would realize the country is changing, or in some ways resisting change. Take Gay Marriage, I personally know the south is not ready for it, what makes you think the whole country is ready for Kerry...

move on... nothing more here...

 

[ciba]

Judging by the 2000 numbers, I think your page is wrong.

Baker county went 70% for Bush in 2000 and... surprise, it went 77% for Bush in 2004. Not to far off considering the nader factor.

Many of those other counties you're trying to "prove" voted for Kerry also went Bush in 2000.

 

[Mill]

Anyone that posts or buys into the theories from DU is nothing more than a lunatic. That goes for the "fixing" of the election, or to how they are illegally trying to intimidate companies, voters, and anyone who supported Bush. They are right, and if you get in their way they will hurt you. Illegal activities for them are just par for the course. They'd do anything and everything to get Bush out and Kerry in. All you have to do is read their forum(which I've been doing for about 9 months now) to see the desperation and lunacy over there.

Can anyone explain to me how these elections are "rigged" and not a single poll worker, county offiicial, etc has come out and told all? You are talking about hundreds of people colluding in an attempt to undermine the country.

I don't buy it. Anyone that does -- you are insane.

 

[randym431]

If you want us to "get over it", (like you all did when Clinton was in for EIGHT years...HA, RIGHT), then you'll have to convince us that this lying President, that has non supporters arrested at his rally's, and lies to us ALL to continue his daddy's war, couldn?t "fix" an election with "paperless" voting machines made by a "diehard" Bush supporting company. Convince us!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: randym431
If you want us to "get over it", (like you all did when Clinton was in for EIGHT years...HA), then you'll have to convince us that this lying President, that has non supporters arrested at his rally's, and lies to us ALL to continue his daddy's war, couldn?t "fix" an election with "paperless" voting machines made by a "diehard" Bush supporting company. Convince us!

Logical fallacy. Pass the 7th grade and come back.

 

[randym431]

President, that has non supporters arrested at his rally's

Logical fallacy

Really!

 

[chess9]

Ciba:

I think you are right.

-Robert

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: randym431

President, that has non supporters arrested at his rally's

Logical fallacy

Really!

couldn?t "fix" an election

 

[Gravity]

While I appreciate your ability and desire to be prolific, you may want to consider 3 to 4 sentences to your paragraphs. Only one cup of coffee in me so I didn't read your post.

I don't think there was a fix, btw.

 

[StageLeft]

Yes it was fixed. Bush was at it again. I personally ran exit polls and found that kerry should have won, followed by nader, and bush only about 200,000 of the popular vote, but he rigged the whole thing!

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: ciba
Judging by the 2000 numbers, I think your page is wrong.

Baker county went 70% for Bush in 2000 and... surprise, it went 77% for Bush in 2004. Not to far off considering the nader factor.

Many of those other counties you're trying to "prove" voted for Kerry also went Bush in 2000.

That does not make sense. Nader's votes were overwhelmingly Gore (Kerry) votes. Nader's weak showing should have helped Kerry this year, not Dubya.

 

[Ldir]

Originally posted by: Mill
Anyone that posts or buys into the theories from DU is nothing more than a lunatic. That goes for the "fixing" of the election, or to how they are illegally trying to intimidate companies, voters, and anyone who supported Bush. They are right, and if you get in their way they will hurt you. Illegal activities for them are just par for the course. They'd do anything and everything to get Bush out and Kerry in. All you have to do is read their forum(which I've been doing for about 9 months now) to see the desperation and lunacy over there.

Can anyone explain to me how these elections are "rigged" and not a single poll worker, county offiicial, etc has come out and told all? You are talking about hundreds of people colluding in an attempt to undermine the country.

I don't buy it. Anyone that does -- you are insane.

Ignorance. Pass the 7th grade and come back. Grown-ups get tired of your childish name calling.

Electronic voting machines are vulnerable to remote tampering. Locals would not have to be involved at all.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980

 

[chess9]

Ldir:

But, you forget Bush's successful use of wedge issues and the Iraq War. Bush picked up an extra 50,000 votes, at least, with his successful wedge issue ploy (N.B.: He didn't promise anything, just jawboned about family values, abortion, gay rights. But the fundies didn't hold his feet to the fire.), and probably another 100,000 because he is an incumbent war president. You have to remember that most people are UTTERLY CLUELESS when it comes to politics. The least informed here is in the 75th percentile in terms of political knowledge. My brothers vote entirely on instinct. If I said the word cloture to my brothers their eyes would gloss over and they'd think I was just "being Bobby". Trust me, many people voted for Bush only because it was a name they recognized and it is SHORT.

Democracy isn't pretty, but until we all get the Federal Chip Implant with optional IQ Elevation Module, it's the best we've got.

-Robert

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Ldir

Originally posted by: Mill
Anyone that posts or buys into the theories from DU is nothing more than a lunatic. That goes for the "fixing" of the election, or to how they are illegally trying to intimidate companies, voters, and anyone who supported Bush. They are right, and if you get in their way they will hurt you. Illegal activities for them are just par for the course. They'd do anything and everything to get Bush out and Kerry in. All you have to do is read their forum(which I've been doing for about 9 months now) to see the desperation and lunacy over there.

Can anyone explain to me how these elections are "rigged" and not a single poll worker, county offiicial, etc has come out and told all? You are talking about hundreds of people colluding in an attempt to undermine the country.

I don't buy it. Anyone that does -- you are insane.

Ignorance. Pass the 7th grade and come back. Grown-ups get tired of your childish name calling.

Electronic voting machines are vulnerable to remote tampering. Locals would not have to be involved at all.


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Bush Apologists of America (BAA): pulling the wool over their own eyes since 1980

Hah, that's hilarious.

 

[Infohawk]

How will we know? The black boxes are hiding the truth.. That's exactly what they wanted.

 

[chess9]

What I don't understand is why a Supervisor of Elections here in Florida would purchase machines that failed to generate a paper trail. That has got to be one of the dumbest governmental decisions I've ever heard.

-Robert

 

[AntiEverything]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How will we know? The black boxes are hiding the truth.. That's exactly what they wanted.

Got any proof to back up your claims?

That's what you always demand. Now it's time for you to pony up evidence. Hypocrite.