Could Win 7 be introduced as a service pack for Vista?

[kRocket]

I have heard that Windows 7 may be introduced as a service pack for Vista. Does anyone have any further information on this affair? I built a new computer recently but stayed with XP because I didn't want to have to buy and install two OS's within the same year. Just asking!

 

[The Keeper]

Eh, not gonna happen. Win7 SKU's have already been announced. There IS SP2 for Vista coming up but it doesn't have all the core improvements of Win7.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Originally posted by: The Keeper
Eh, not gonna happen. Win7 SKU's have already been announced. There IS SP2 for Vista coming up but it doesn't have all the core improvements of Win7.

No.

Edit: Yes, technically it probably could be released as a Service Pack but, in practice, doing so might be more problematic than it's worth. Among the considerations should be application compatibility and end-user preferences. If Windows 7 (if it were SP2) were to go against either and the user decided it would be best to avoid it, it would leave users out of a Service Pack and potential updates. Huge changes should be reserved for retail releases unless the existing offering is sufficiently broken, which Vista is not.

 

[kRocket]

Well, what you have said makes sense. It was a longshot, but a lot of angry people are going to be out there if they just bought their new computer with Vista, not yet a year old(in working condition), and they have to turn around and by a new OS to make it work. Maybe they will offer a hefty rebate to Vista users. Vista has been a boondoggle from the word go!

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: kRocket
Well, what you have said makes sense. It was a longshot, but a lot of angry people are going to be out there if they just bought their new computer with Vista, not yet a year old(in working condition), and they have to turn around and by a new OS to make it work. Maybe they will offer a hefty rebate to Vista users. Vista has been a boondoggle from the word go!

Actually Vista right now is a very good/stable OS.......SP2 is due April I hear ,Windows 7 we still not know when the officical release date will be(should be this year),you have options ie wait for Windows 7 or upgrade your Vista to Win7 version,sadthing about Vista is that it got a lot of bad FUD over the years even when they made improvements etc...Win7 is based and built apon Vista which a lot of people forget.


I have had 2 good years out of Vista so have no sour grapes about Win7,my big question is when will I need to buy/upgrade to Win7(as XP,Vista x86,Vista x64,Win7 beta user I have them all) or do I wait for Win8,anyway that's my little problem.

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

Vista won't stop working when 7 hits RTM, no one will be forced to buy anything. People have been angry for months already that Microsoft is making a new operating system, I haven't paid them any mind and will probably continue to do so. As far as rebates, look up the upgrade versions, they are half the cost of Retail boxes.

 

[Mem]

Originally posted by: Rhonda the Sly
Vista won't stop working when 7 hits RTM, no one will be forced to buy anything. People have been angry for months already that Microsoft is making a new operating system, I haven't paid them any mind and will probably continue to do so. As far as rebates, look up the upgrade versions, they are half the cost of Retail boxes.

They did say they are going back to 3 year cycle for new operating systems,so in theory if Win7 comes out 2009/2010 then Win8 will be here around 2012/13 will people be annoyed then too if and when another new OS is released.

Vista is over 2 years old now so they are not far of their 3 year cycle for new operating systems.

As always you will have options and end of the day its your call what you decide to do.

 

[lxskllr]

MS is going to give free upgrades on oem built computers. The purchase date for that hasn't occurred yet. As for me, I'm sticking with Vista. I like it better than Win7.

 

[FHDelux]

It would have been released as Vista SP2, except that, because nobody likes the name "Vista", according to the marketing department, they have to release it as a whole other product with a different name. Microsoft doesn't believe there is anything wrong with Vista, so they are gonna feed us a reworked Vista, under a new name.

I'm sure windows 7 will be ok, i ran the beta and it was decent, but i don't see any improvements so big that i would spend money to buy a copy of 7 when i just bought Vista.

 

[corkyg]

Originally posted by: kRocket
I built a new computer recently but stayed with XP because I didn't want to have to buy and install two OS's within the same year.

Why would you have to install a new OS separately? If you install Vista64, and you then later, want Windows7, all you have to is upgrade to Win7/64. No big deal.

 

[Bateluer]

Originally posted by: corkyg

Originally posted by: kRocket
I built a new computer recently but stayed with XP because I didn't want to have to buy and install two OS's within the same year.

Why would you have to install a new OS separately? If you install Vista64, and you then later, want Windows7, all you have to is upgrade to Win7/64. No big deal.

A clean install is always the way to go with a new OS.

Here's my two cents. If MS wants to stick to a 3 year development cycle for new client OS releases, then the pricing needs to be in line with that. If they plan on charging 400 USD for the Ultimate Edition of Windows 7 in 2009, 400 for Windows 8 in 2011, etc, they will be lackluster sales every other OS release. And that's thinking positive.

MS should charge 50 USD for the 'Home' version and 100 for the 'Professional' version, which should include any features the home version has as well. With this pricing, home users wouldn't think twice about upgrading every time MS released a new OS.

 

[Snooper]

And miss the oppurtunity to make everyone buy ANOTHER OS from MS??? Bite your tongue!!! It's never going to happen.

 

[Snooper]

I think MS would find the piracy rates would take a very big tumble if they would adjust there pricing model to something a bit more reasonable. In a world where you can buy a whole freaking computer for $300, expecting people to happy pay close to $200 for the OS is just a fantasy.

 

[zerocool84]

Originally posted by: FHDelux
I'm sure windows 7 will be ok, i ran the beta and it was decent, but i don't see any improvements so big that i would spend money to buy a copy of 7 when i just bought Vista.

I have the Beta installed right now as well but still use Vista. Not big enough of a difference between the two to warrant an upgrade. I didn't notice any performance improvement either but I'm not one of those people that are trying to run a new OS on a 5 yr old system or an underpowered netbook.

 

[kRocket]

I am not technically endowed, but I read in one of these forums that DirectX 11.0 will be offered only in Windows 7 and from the beginning so that alone will compell us to buy Windows 7 sooner rather than later. That, as of now, is a rumor.

By the way is there anything wrong with running XP32 with 64 bit unganged memory (1066) ?

 

[Rhonda the Sly]

D3D11 will be for both Vista and 7.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

Originally posted by: corkyg

Originally posted by: kRocket
I built a new computer recently but stayed with XP because I didn't want to have to buy and install two OS's within the same year.

Why would you have to install a new OS separately? If you install Vista64, and you then later, want Windows7, all you have to is upgrade to Win7/64. No big deal.

A clean install is always the way to go with a new OS.

Here's my two cents. If MS wants to stick to a 3 year development cycle for new client OS releases, then the pricing needs to be in line with that. If they plan on charging 400 USD for the Ultimate Edition of Windows 7 in 2009, 400 for Windows 8 in 2011, etc, they will be lackluster sales every other OS release. And that's thinking positive.

MS should charge 50 USD for the 'Home' version and 100 for the 'Professional' version, which should include any features the home version has as well. With this pricing, home users wouldn't think twice about upgrading every time MS released a new OS.

I think clean install vs. upgrading Vista to 7 isn't going to be as profound of a difference than previous upgrade situations. They are just so dang similar. Drivers are the same, etc, so the chance of extraneous cruft that needs to be sorted is quite low.

 

[nerp]

Originally posted by: Snooper
I think MS would find the piracy rates would take a very big tumble if they would adjust there pricing model to something a bit more reasonable. In a world where you can buy a whole freaking computer for $300, expecting people to happy pay close to $200 for the OS is just a fantasy.

That's why you buy OEM. . . The point of retail is that it can travel across different computers over its life. Buy two computers, but two $100 OEM licenses. Or, buy one retail license and use it on both when the first one is phased out.

 

[corkyg]

Originally posted by: nerp
I think clean install vs. upgrading Vista to 7 isn't going to be as profound of a difference than previous upgrade situations. They are just so dang similar. Drivers are the same, etc, so the chance of extraneous cruft that needs to be sorted is quite low.

Agree! You can always do a clean install. But, for those of us that use computers for work, that can be a several day operation - putting in over 50 apps, getting the network functioning, including network printers, and Internet links. For me, a clean install is the last resort. If the upgrade works and all is running perfectly, I have spent about an hour and a half. A clean install of Vista took me almost 4 days to complete.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: corkyg

Originally posted by: nerp
I think clean install vs. upgrading Vista to 7 isn't going to be as profound of a difference than previous upgrade situations. They are just so dang similar. Drivers are the same, etc, so the chance of extraneous cruft that needs to be sorted is quite low.

Agree! You can always do a clean install. But, for those of us that use computers for work, that can be a several day operation - putting in over 50 apps, getting the network functioning, including network printers, and Internet links. For me, a clean install is the last resort. If the upgrade works and all is running perfectly, I have spent about an hour and a half. A clean install of Vista took me almost 4 days to complete.

Are you the IT department for your job, or are you self employed?

 

[corkyg]

Originally posted by: Muadib
Are you the IT department for your job, or are you self employed?

None of the above - I am retired.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: corkyg

Originally posted by: Muadib
Are you the IT department for your job, or are you self employed?

None of the above - I am retired.

Nice!!!