America is done. There is no solution. The things you can do in America without running the risk of being shot or blown up is at an all time low. Everything is fucked, they're almost running out of distractions. I do understand his feelings though.
I haven't the foggiest idea where you're getting any of this from.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95379&page=1
This is what happens when we obsess over news stories. Mass murders are high profile events for the media. We've had a surge of them over these past several years, yet the overall murder rate continues to decline.
Do you want to ban alcohol? Or do you accept that some kids will die so people can have a drink?
Ahem. I have called not just for a ban on automatic weapons, but for all guns. My position, and I stated it in this very thread yesterday (Post #21):Can anyone point to any poster here or in the other thread that have called for a ban on guns? No? Then its odd that the counter arguments against gun control are against something no one is proposing.
Fucking dumbass gun nutters.
I can totally see that. If you don't make a first time offense heavily punished you do not send the right message. You have to put an onus on it not just a slap on the wrist for the first offense, but make it something that people fear doing enough where they'll refrain from it in the first place.Yes, as far as I'm concerned. My dead brother says yes from his grave. If we can't ban it, there should be absolutely no going easy. Jail time for the 1st time (dui), period. If you kill someone, murder, period.
Speak for yourself. Speaking for myself, no gun or alcohol caused loss is acceptable. I also take issue with your concept of "society." Society is just out to fuck you up. Bob Dylan said that many years ago. It's the truth. Wise up.Just like guns, as a society we consider alcohol related deaths acceptable losses.
I own half a dozen AR15 rifles, one is a class III licensed short barrel. Also have a few supressors and ..
Gun can control talk will quiet down in a couple weeks when the next disaster strikes.
he was, they found them at his home
Just watch what happens with the situations. We accept it.Speak for yourself. Speaking for myself, no gun or alcohol caused loss is acceptable. I also take issue with your concept of "society." Society is just out to fuck you up. Bob Dylan said that many years ago. It's the truth. Wise up.
I'm in favor of those AR15's being taken away from you if you do not voluntarily surrender them. Nobody should own killing machines and for me that goes right down to the derringer and everything between.
I haven't the foggiest idea where you're getting any of this from.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95379&page=1
This is what happens when we obsess over news stories. Mass murders are high profile events for the media. We've had a surge of them over these past several years, yet the overall murder rate continues to decline.
The nation’s longest and steepest rise in crime totals — increases of 10.2 percent to 13.8 percent from 1965 through 1969 — came as postwar baby boomers reached the crime-prone ages of 15 to 25 and may finally be undone by current trends, Blumstein said.
Academic experts credited both parties’ favorite anti-crime remedies but also factors beyond control of politicians, like the aging of baby boomers past crime-prone years.
It almost looks like, by multiplying the total number of people in an age range that's prone to violent behavior, all things being equal, you multiply the amount of violent behavior by a roughly equivalent amount. Surprising.Hang on - so they are saying that the fall in the crime rate is happening because baby-boomers have gotten too old and decrepit to cause as much mayhem as they used to?
Maybe this needs to be reposted in that baby-boomer-bashing thread?
(I don't endorse such collective blame, I've even objected to it, yet, dammit, it's hard to resist stirring the pot).
I used to be an optimist. The optimist in me has been slowly but surely bludgeoned to death. I am now a cynic and a pessimist. The 2016 presidential election and the continuing terror have done me in. Now this. It just drives a nail into the heart of the optimist in me, whose heartbeat is so faint I'm not sure it's alive.
However, I disagree with the second sentence I quoted here, "there is no solution." Concerning these mass shootings, I have a solution and I've been stating it for a number of years. I used to get shot down, just mauled for expressing it, but nowadays I think my ideas are taking root in the populace, in some quarters.
You should not be allowed to own a gun. All guns should be government property. You should not be allowed to get your hands on one unless you are:
Vetted, trained and monitored law enforcement or military.
If you are a hunter, you should only be able to check out guns. When doing so, you should have a permit, an itinerary and be buddied by at least one other vetted, trained and monitored hunter.
The NRA is your enemy, whether you know it or not.
Hang on - so they are saying that the fall in the crime rate is happening because baby-boomers have gotten too old and decrepit to cause as much mayhem as they used to?
Maybe this needs to be reposted in that baby-boomer-bashing thread?
(I don't endorse such collective blame, I've even objected to it, yet, dammit, it's hard to resist stirring the pot).
Yes, as far as I'm concerned. My dead brother says yes from his grave. If we can't ban it, there should be absolutely no going easy. Jail time for the 1st time (dui), period. If you kill someone, murder, period.
lol, wrong person to ask, 24 years sober here. And while a somewhat clever attempt to divert, I'm staying on course. You're good with children being killed by guns to ensure your right to own one isn't infringed.
You've made that exquisitely clear.
I'm sorry to hear of your family's loss. I'm sure losing a loved one in such a way isn't easy.
As you can attest, when a freedom is used irresponsibly it can cause harm. It sounds like you are for harsher penalties, I'm for that too. But, do you think the answer is to remove the freedom?
You are twisting things. Most freedoms we have will cause harm if used for evil or irresponsibly. Kids will die if someone drunk drives. Kids will die if someone uses a gun for evil intent or carelessly. Kids will die because we allow free speech which can lead to bullying and suicides. Kids will die because tobacco exists and is sold everywhere. Kids will die because we have automobiles. You are holding guns to a standard you don't hold anything else to.
Am I ok with kids dying for my freedom? No. Do I accept that it'll happen for freedoms? Yes. When you hold all these other things to the same standard you hold guns to, we can have a discussion. Until then you are fighting an emotional battle in a war of logic.
No, I'm looking for rational discourse on the epidemic of gun violence. The gun is designed to kill, that's it. That's it's sole purpose.
Cars - transportation to work, vacation, grocery store, etc
Alcohol - in moderation can help relieve stress and relax you
Ban the fuck out of tobacco, I have zero issues with that.
Guns need to be regulated, at some level, I don't know what that is, but we've done nothing to control the stem of gun violence and it's worked for shit. Your strawman arguments mean nothing, we're talking about guns. That's it, that's the alpha and omega of this discussion, the guy wasn't throwing liquor bottles at people on the ground, the killer in Sandy Hook didn't trap the students in a room and 2nd hand smoke them to death.
There will never be a rational discussion on this. You find the deaths of children an acceptable loss to keep your freedoms. I do not.
wish in one hand and shit in the other see which fills up first.If you do not feel people will die from freedoms then I don't know what to tell you. You are holding guns to a different standard. Guns, in moderation can help relieve stress and relax you. See how I bypassed the damage guns do as you did with alcohol while not addressing what I asked at all? If you are willing to trade your freedoms to save lives, then I expect to see your posts from now on to have a tone of banning free speech, alcohol, tobacco, guns, and cars.
The items in bold above are not guns and each of them has lead to dead children. Are you willing to let kids die to continue to have these rights and freedoms? Y/N
and this is about guns, that's it, no matter how many other strawmen you prop up in front of it. Your pathetic attempts are tiresome and boring and completely unsurprising.If you do not feel people will die from freedoms then I don't know what to tell you. You are holding guns to a different standard. Guns, in moderation can help relieve stress and relax you. See how I bypassed the damage guns do as you did with alcohol while not addressing what I asked at all? If you are willing to trade your freedoms to save lives, then I expect to see your posts from now on to have a tone of banning free speech, alcohol, tobacco, guns, and cars.
The items in bold above are not guns and each of them has lead to dead children. Are you willing to let kids die to continue to have these rights and freedoms? Y/N
wish in one hand and shit in the other see which fills up first.