Country's Full - Trump Slams Door on Refugees

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President Trump on Friday closed the nation’s borders to refugees from around the world, ordering that families fleeing the slaughter in Syria be indefinitely blocked from entering the United States, and temporarily suspending immigration from several predominantly Muslim countries.

In an executive order that he said was part of an extreme vetting plan to keep out “radical Islamic terrorists,” Mr. Trump also established a religious test for refugees from Muslim nations: He ordered that Christians and others from minority religions be granted priority over Muslims.

Good job Trump. Pushing forward an utterly heartless policy coupled with a test that violates the spirit of the Constitution (treating one religion as superior to others) and adds fuel to the fire of extremism that it is a religious war between Islam and the west. I guess the words on the Statue of Liberty are meaningless.

Also take note of the countries not on the list (yet were the countries in which actual terrorists who attacked the US came from):
Announcing his “extreme vetting” plan, the president invoked the specter of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Most of the 19 hijackers on the planes that crashed into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and a field in Shanksville, Pa., were from Saudi Arabia. The rest were from the United Arab Emirates, Egypt and Lebanon. None of those countries are on Mr. Trump’s visa ban list.
 

MrSquished

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Notably omitted are Saudi Arabia, where Trump has attempted to do business, and Turkey, where Trump has got some real estate interests. I think also in the UAE he has a golf course or something.

We need some extreme vetting of our president, nevermind the refugees.
 
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Lol. It's like he's trolling anybody who can remember 911. Trump omitted literally every country that any 911 hijacker came from, and dumped in a country or two that previously had decent relations with the west. Libya, on the list, was a veritable African paradise before Obama got to it... and has far less extremism than KSA or Qatar which are notably absent from the list.


It's abject stupidity and an insult to the entire muslim world, and it's a huge aid to ISIS in their propaganda. You can hardly say we aren't at war with Islam when the president says we need to fight Islam, right? When we will gladly ship them guns or drop bombs on them, but won't accept an orphan refugee child.
 
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compuwiz1

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He's got the authority to do it under 1952 immigration act.
There is nothing unconstitutional in temporarily barring certain people, from terrorist hotbeds, where there is potential for radicals to slip through the cracks and harm us. Our constitution applies to our residents, in our country. We don't owe outside countries residence here. Immigration is a privilege and one that can be regulated,and rightfully so. If immigrants can't be vetted adequately, they don't get in. I'm good with that. I just don't think he applied the order broadly enough. I didn't see Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
This is temporary.

I don't understand why some of you seem to want them here so badly. I'd rather our safety first until we can know for sure who we're getting.
 

Vic

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He's got the authority to do it under 1952 immigration act.
There is nothing unconstitutional in temporarily barring certain people, from terrorist hotbeds, where there is potential for radicals to slip through the cracks and harm us. Our constitution applies to our residents, in our country. We don't owe outside countries residence here. Immigration is a privilege and one that can be regulated,and rightfully so. If immigrants can't be vetted adequately, they don't get in. I'm good with that. I just don't think he applied the order broadly enough. I didn't see Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
This is temporary.

I don't understand why some of you seem to want them here so badly. I'd rather our safety first until we can know for sure who we're getting.
Truman vetoed that authority and no President has ever attempted to exercise it. Freedom of religion is the basis of our country's freedoms. How can you claim to believe in small government when you want government to be able to control our opinions?
 
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ivwshane

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He's got the authority to do it under 1952 immigration act.
There is nothing unconstitutional in temporarily barring certain people, from terrorist hotbeds, where there is potential for radicals to slip through the cracks and harm us. Our constitution applies to our residents, in our country. We don't owe outside countries residence here. Immigration is a privilege and one that can be regulated,and rightfully so. If immigrants can't be vetted adequately, they don't get in. I'm good with that. I just don't think he applied the order broadly enough. I didn't see Saudi Arabia or Pakistan.
This is temporary.

I don't understand why some of you seem to want them here so badly. I'd rather our safety first until we can know for sure who we're getting.

You don't seem to understand the argument people as making, perhaps you should shut up and re-read the replies and their issue with such a ban.

Or continue what you always do and argue against straw men.
 

Vic

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Fucking idiots don't realize that this is worse than Hillary taking their (my) guns.
 

compuwiz1

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I'm not gonna waste my time pissing in the wind with the liberals over this. You'll never get it, that this is the right thing to do, for our safety. It is temporary. I'm not advocating for us to stop immigration permanently. Millions of Americans agree with the move. I am not anti-immigration.

This has been a great week for people on the right, not so much for the lefties.
 
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ivwshane

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I'm not gonna waste my time pissing in the wind with the liberals over this. You'll never get it, that this is the right thing to do, for our safety. It is temporary. I'm not advocating for us to stop immigration permanently. Millions of Americans agree with the move. I am not anti-immigration.

This has been a great week for people on the right, not so much for the lefties.

You may not be anti immigration but you sure are pro stupid!!


Anyway, I always enjoy when those that try to thwart/reinterpret the law are thwarted by their teams previous actions.

https://thinkprogress.org/trumps-an...o-the-gop-s-war-on-birth-control-17def4fcf417

A handful of scholars have argued, however, that immigrants seeking admission into the United States are not protected by the First Amendment. As University of Chicago law professor Eric Posner writes:

The Supreme Court has held consistently, for more than a century, that constitutional protections that normally benefit Americans and people on American territory do not apply when Congress decides who to admit and who to exclude as immigrants or other entrants. This is called the plenary power doctrine. The Court has repeatedly turned away challenges to immigration statutes and executive actions on grounds that they discriminate on the basis of race, national origin, and political belief, and that they deprive foreign nationals of due process protections. While the Court has not ruled on religious discrimination, it has also never given the slightest indication that religion would be exempt from the general rule.
It’s an interesting argument, and one that could prove quite vexing for the Supreme Court if it were not for two other developments — a federal law placing additional limits on the federal government’s ability to place burdens on people’s faith, and a broadly worded decision by Justice Alito.

The federal law is the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, which provides that “government shall not substantially burden a person’s exercise of religion,” except in certain limited circumstances. Trump is part of the government. A Muslim refugee is a person. So the text of the law clearly appears to prohibit Trump from excluding refugees because of their faith.

The purpose of RFRA, however, was to restore the rule governing First Amendment free exercise claims that existed before a 1990 decision narrowed the scope of those claims. Indeed, the RFRA statue explicitly states that it should be read to “restore the compelling interest test as set forth in Sherbert v. Verner and Wisconsin v. Yoder,” two decisions which laid out that old rule.

Accordingly, there’s a very strong argument that RFRA incorporates all pre-1990 First Amendment law. So if the plenary power doctrine that Professor Posner references, which existed well before 1990, applies to free exercise claims, then there’s also a very strong argument that the plenary power doctrine trumps RFRA.

Except that Justice Alito cut off this argument with his opinion in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby.

In Hobby Lobby, Alito’s majority opinion claimed that a 2000 amendment to RFRA was “an obvious effort to effect a complete separation from First Amendment case law.” This was, frankly, a highly dubious claim. But it is also part of the holding of an opinion by the Supreme Court of the United States. Whether it’s actually true or not is irrelevant. It’s the law now.

So Hobby Lobby severed RFRA from the body of cases interpreting the First Amendment. That would include any case law suggesting that immigrants seeking entry into the United States don’t enjoy protection from religious discrimination. RFRA limits Trump’s ability to discriminate against Muslim refugees, and he has Justice Alito to thank for it.

Admittedly, RFRA does not absolutely prohibit the government from burdening religion. Such burdens are permitted if they are “in furtherance of a compelling governmental interest” and if the government uses “the least restrictive means of furthering that compelling governmental interest.”

But even if you assume that Trump’s discrimination against Muslims advances some compelling interest, such as his stated goal of helping to keep dangerous people out of the country, we already know there is a less restrictive way of accomplishing this goal.

Between the September 11th attacks and 2015, 784,000 refugees settled in the United States. Of those, as ThinkProgress has previously reported, “exactly three resettled refugees have been arrested for planning terrorist activities — and it is worth noting two were not planning an attack in the United States and the plans of the third were barely credible.”

The United States, in other words, already did an effective job of screening out potentially dangerous refugees long before Trump became president.
 

MrSquished

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I'm not gonna waste my time pissing in the wind with the liberals over this. You'll never get it, that this is the right thing to do, for our safety. It is temporary. I'm not advocating for us to stop immigration permanently. Millions of Americans agree with the move. I am not anti-immigration.

This has been a great week for people on the right, not so much for the lefties.

As long as Trump isn't doing business there, it's a win for clueless right wingers
 

Vic

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I'm not gonna waste my time pissing in the wind with the liberals over this. You'll never get it, that this is the right thing to do, for our safety. It is temporary. I'm not advocating for us to stop immigration permanently. Millions of Americans agree with the move. I am not anti-immigration.

This has been a great week for people on the right, not so much for the lefties.

We're only a week into this and I'm already sick of you pussies sacrificing our freedoms for the illusion of temporary safety.
 

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I'm not gonna waste my time pissing in the wind with the liberals over this. You'll never get it, that this is the right thing to do, for our safety. It is temporary. I'm not advocating for us to stop immigration permanently. Millions of Americans agree with the move. I am not anti-immigration.

This has been a great week for people on the right, not so much for the lefties.
Haha, you rah rah politics-as-team-sports partisans definitely don't see the forest for the trees here. This does nothing to endear people to vote right wing, it does the opposite. People already don't like the turd, what's he polling at now like 40%?

I've said for years the righties in this country weren't really dogmatically conservative, that they just appealed to fascist strongmen who would hit the right buttons (blame media, blame gov't, blame everyone but themselves basically). Trump is the perfect encapsulation of that. He's so bad even much of the right-wing blamed Obama (despite a 60% approval rating leaving office) for the advent of Trump.
 

compuwiz1

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We're only a week into this and I'm already sick of you pussies sacrificing our freedoms for the illusion of temporary safety.

Do tell...what freedoms of yours have been sacrificed?

Mail order bride interrupted?
 

Vic

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Do tell...what freedoms of yours have been sacrificed?

Mail order bride interrupted?
'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..'

Trump's executive order is temporary, but if Congress passes it into law, then that is unconstitutional. Period. This isn't subject to debate. This is the liberal equivalent as if Obama had actually taken your guns.
 

compuwiz1

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'Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..'

Trump's executive order is temporary, but if Congress passes it into law, then that is unconstitutional. Period. This isn't subject to debate. This is the liberal equivalent as if Obama had actually taken your guns.
You're being pretty paranoid, IMO. Congress can't pass unconstitutional laws. Show me an example of where they have? No, I'm not fucking with you. I'm simply not aware of any.
 

Vic

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You're being pretty paranoid, IMO. Congress can't pass unconstitutional laws. Show me an example of where they have? No, I'm not fucking with you. I'm simply not aware of any.
No words. My words have failed me.
 
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We have enough problems in this country with religious right types wanting to take away women's rights, gay rights, force school prayer, put religious icons in our public institutions, blow up planned parenthood clinics,

so what kind of Koolaid are all these pretend liberals drinking wanting to bring in the middle east version of the religious right on steroids by the tens of thousands who put their religion above separation of church and state, freedom of speech, and all the other hard fought secular rights that has allowed this country to progress in spite of religious zealots.

Don't we have enough problems with the Kim Davis types, Jerry Falwell Types, Westboro baptist Church types, etc., so what rational thinking person would want to bring in more who are potentially far worse that won't stop at the courts for justice and aren't afraid to die for their cause?
 
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compuwiz1

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Projection from the left is funny as hell. We've gone from a temporary block to new, unconstitutional laws, in less than an hour here. How about we get there before ya all bitch about something that hasn't happened and isn't on the agenda?
 

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US slams the door on the people of countries that it has bombed and destabilized.
 
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