Coup Possibly Happening in Venezuela

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brycejones

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Maduro needs to go for the sake of the Venezuelan people. I don't know if Guido is the right guy to replace him though.

But the current government is completely unsustainable and illegitimate.
 

sandorski

No Lifer
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Here's some more color.


I was under the impression that Maduro was not arresting Guaido because he was afraid it would provoke an international (US) response. Seems like if he does arrest Guaido, it means he thinks he is in a stronger position.

I'm sure there are all kinds of posturing and strategies at play by numerous actors. Perhaps Military claiming support for Guaido in order to subvert his schemes or other such actions to subvert one side or another. Hell, US actors may be involved in this alleged acceleration of action for their own purposes. Who knows at this time? The Truth won't be known, most likely, until well after the initial claims are established.
 

mikeymikec

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"A military uprising appears to be under way in Venezuela after the opposition leader, Juan Guaidó, posted a video of himself flanked by soldiers, promising to end the rule of President Nicolás Maduro .

“The moment is now,” Guaidó said in a three-minute speech, apparently filmed just before dawn on Tuesday near La Carlota, the main military airbase in Caracas. “We are going to achieve liberty and democracy for Venezuela.”


My hope is that this is not premature and fails. I also hope for as little bloodshed as possible.

Huh, an actual coup and not a "compuwiz1's feelings are hurt by his criminal President being investigated" "coup".
 

dank69

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I'm sure there are all kinds of posturing and strategies at play by numerous actors. Perhaps Military claiming support for Guaido in order to subvert his schemes or other such actions to subvert one side or another. Hell, US actors may be involved in this alleged acceleration of action for their own purposes. Who knows at this time? The Truth won't be known, most likely, until well after the initial claims are established.
With Pompeo/Trump/etc. ready to go with canned statements I tend to think they have a hand in it.

Also with how lame this "coup" seems to be progressing I tend to think they have a hand in it.
 

cytg111

Lifer
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Guess who is backing Guido? Putin.
Guess how fast Trump will go limb.

edit : reverse that, Maduro, not Guido
 
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Muse

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Is it the fact that Venezuela's economy has a big oil thrust that is driving all this? I suspect so. Unbalanced economies, especially those dependent on sticky tricky ecologically tarnished commodities tend to be troubled.
 

kage69

Lifer
Jul 17, 2003
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Putin sent people over there to protect Maduro. With Russian EW prowess and heightened tensions, I can see him wanting to skip another costly long slog like Syria, just have Guaido and Lopez killed via bomb, sniper or ambush.

Whenever I see Guaido he doesn't look very mindful of security at all, dude needs to be really careful. Caracas is starting to get nasty, I guess this thing isn't losing steam after all.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
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Putin sent people over there to protect Maduro. With Russian EW prowess and heightened tensions, I can see him wanting to skip another costly long slog like Syria, just have Guaido and Lopez killed via bomb, sniper or ambush.

Whenever I see Guaido he doesn't look very mindful of security at all, dude needs to be really careful. Caracas is starting to get nasty, I guess this thing isn't losing steam after all.
Pompeo is saying that Maduro had planned to flee to Cuba [after hearing he was losing support of the military]...and that apparently, Putin convinced him to stay [possibly because Russia knew Guaido was overstating his hand?]
 
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Heh, the reality is that the coup already happened.... When Maduro took over and changed/corrupted their system of government.

Wanting to go back to what was your legal system of governance isn't a coup. See:

A coup d'état (/ˌkuː deɪˈtɑː/ (listen); French: [ku deta]), also known as a putsch (/pʊtʃ/), a golpe, or simply as a coup, means the overthrow of an existing government; typically, this refers to an illegal, unconstitutional seizure of power by a dictator, the military, or a political faction

Also, the way I interpreted Guido is basically saying "We need to start a coup" - That doesn't mean it has already started. No one with half of a fucking brain announces the start of a coup. It's something that has to be secretly crafted from within.
 
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Putin is backing Maduro. As is Cuba. The US sand most of the rest of the world backs Guaidó.

China backing Maduro as well.

Basically the most corrupted governments are in support of a corrupted government dictator. Surprise!

Any country with half a brain and an ounce of freedom support Guaido.
 
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brandonbull

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I hope it fails and the blowback is an embarrassment to the Trump administration.

How dare people expect to have luxuries like food, clothing, medical supplies, and electricity. That'll show Trump and the rest of the elites.
 

brandonbull

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China backing Maduro as well.

Basically the most corrupted governments are in support of a corrupted government dictator. Surprise!

Any country with half a brain and an ounce of freedom support Guaido.

Funny that the Democrats are backing Maduro.
 

UNCjigga

Lifer
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Funny that the Democrats are backing Maduro.

Evidence? I haven’t heard a peep from Pelosi or the candidates on Venezuela. I’m sure some Dem Socialists are spouting off on Twitter against a US military backed regime change, but I haven’t heard any Dem claim Maduro is the better option than Guaido. Don’t conflate opinions you read in the media with “Democrats”.
 
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1prophet

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Is it the fact that Venezuela's economy has a big oil thrust that is driving all this? I suspect so. Unbalanced economies, especially those dependent on sticky tricky ecologically tarnished commodities tend to be troubled.
Oil rich Norway doesn't have this problem just like the rest of the Scandinavian countries that American liberals and leftists hold in high regard don't have these problems because of evil socialism.
 
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How dare people expect to have luxuries like food, clothing, medical supplies, and electricity. That'll show Trump and the rest of the elites.

What makes this comment pathetic is that the Republicans don't even care if Americans can afford to have those things.
Funny that the Democrats are backing Maduro.
This. This is just complete bullshit.
 

dank69

Lifer
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What makes this comment pathetic is that the Republicans don't even care if Americans can afford to have those things.

This. This is just complete bullshit.
You can't be a conservative anymore without lying to yourself and others about basically everything.
 
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cytg111

Lifer
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How much on Trump beta'ing out to Putin? Bet the good old bone spurs are acting up right now.
 

thraashman

Lifer
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Are we sure it's a coup?
I mean, did a fully legal Congress appoint a special counsel to look into the crooked dealings of the President and find LOTS of corruption?
Because apparently that's a coup according to the American right wing.
 
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