Coup Possibly Happening in Venezuela

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Blackjack200

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He's a U.S. puppet who is still the de facto figurehead for general discontent to the Maduro regime. You're correct he's just a guy and someone else could easily fill the same role but for now he's an easy personification of the "enemy" for Maduro. No one (especially me) is saying he's been the face of the resistance for decades like Nelson Mandela or something, but he's the only person so far that's publicly tried to present himself as a credible replacement for Maduro.

As far as PR, propaganda, whatever you want to call it, Maduro is clearly blaming the United States. I'd argue that Guaido is not really that useful as a foil because he's so obviously ineffective and inconsequential.
 

glenn1

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The answer is absurdly simple: lift the sanctions. Until the US does that, it's a major contributing factor to the problems there.

Things sucked terribly for years before U.S. sanctions. Blaming it on them is giving a huge pass to the undeniable malfeasance, corruption, and incompetence of the Maduro regime and Hugo Chavez before that. The country's leadership is clearly the largest part of the problem and it's not even close.

 

sandorski

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Things sucked terribly for years before U.S. sanctions. Blaming it on them is giving a huge pass to the undeniable malfeasance, corruption, and incompetence of the Maduro regime and Hugo Chavez before that. The country's leadership is clearly the largest part of the problem and it's not even close.


Supply/Demand.
 

Blackjack200

Lifer
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Things sucked terribly for years before U.S. sanctions. Blaming it on them is giving a huge pass to the undeniable malfeasance, corruption, and incompetence of the Maduro regime and Hugo Chavez before that. The country's leadership is clearly the largest part of the problem and it's not even close.


If the US lifts the sanctions, then Maduro cannot credibly blame them for his country's problems.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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If the US lifts the sanctions, then Maduro cannot credibly blame them for his country's problems.

Maduro (and Chavez before him) never stopped blaming the U.S. regardless of sanctions and wouldn't stop if sanctions were removed. Not having the U.S. to "credibly blame" will no more lead to the end of Maduro any more than it would lead to the end of any other number of authoritarian regimes with subsistence if you're lucky level economies (see North Korea, pretty much everywhere in Africa, most of Central America, etc). The core problem is never the U.S. (although it can make things worse).

 

soundforbjt

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From what I understand, Venezuela has a Militia of over 1 million citizens. I suspect they are Armed, but maybe not.
You're missing the point, Fox is using propaganda to say if liberals here dis-arm the public, the same thing could/will happen here. They are the masters of propaganda I'll give them that. We turn into Venezuela if you elect liberals/socialists into power.
 

Jhhnn

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Things sucked terribly for years before U.S. sanctions. Blaming it on them is giving a huge pass to the undeniable malfeasance, corruption, and incompetence of the Maduro regime and Hugo Chavez before that. The country's leadership is clearly the largest part of the problem and it's not even close.


That doesn't justify making it worse.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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That doesn't justify making it worse.

What exactly is "making it worse?" I'm not in support of U.S. intervention whether in favor of Guiado or anyone else, but an anti-Maduro uprising is hardly going to make things "worse" nor would Maduro putting such an uprising down make things "better." Neither them seems like they'll be leading Venezuela to a brighter future anytime soon.
 

KMFJD

Lifer
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That doesn't justify making it worse.
Of course it does in their eyes, Venezuela hurt the only people that matter in their eyes - corporations like Exxon when they nationalized their oil industry
 

Blackjack200

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There are some upper-class (or rather, the haves) of socialism that aren't protesting since they aren't suffering eating out of garbage cans?

WELL COLOR ME SHOCKED! I'll be damned! I would have never guessed something so blatantly fucking obvious.

You have it exactly backwards. The opposition is bourgeois, the Chavistas are almost entirely the poor and working class.
 
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sandorski

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There are some upper-class (or rather, the haves) of socialism that aren't protesting since they aren't suffering eating out of garbage cans?

WELL COLOR ME SHOCKED! I'll be damned! I would have never guessed something so blatantly fucking obvious.

Citation needed.
 

Jhhnn

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What exactly is "making it worse?" I'm not in support of U.S. intervention whether in favor of Guiado or anyone else, but an anti-Maduro uprising is hardly going to make things "worse" nor would Maduro putting such an uprising down make things "better." Neither them seems like they'll be leading Venezuela to a brighter future anytime soon.

I referenced US economic sanctions against Venezuela mentioned in #74, above.
 
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Jhhnn

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Sorry, but if a country as rich in resources as Venezuela is cant stand on it own without welfare from other countries its leaderships fault.

Welfare? WTF kind of bullshit is that? Sanctions are anti-welfare. They're intended to hurt. Trump Co is crying crocodile tears over the beating they giving the Venezuelans while sponsoring unrest & coup attempts. It's beyond obvious.
 
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glenn1

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Welfare? WTF kind of bullshit is that? Sanctions are anti-welfare. They're intended to hurt. Trump Co is crying crocodile tears over the beating they giving the Venezuelans while sponsoring unrest & coup attempts. It's beyond obvious.

In your ideal country where they fucked over the rich to give their shit to the poor like you advocate, why should they even need welfare? A place without wealth inequality like in the U.S. should be giving our poors welfare since they’d be swimming in dough.
 

Jhhnn

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In your ideal country where they fucked over the rich to give their shit to the poor like you advocate, why should they even need welfare? A place without wealth inequality like in the U.S. should be giving our poors welfare since they’d be swimming in dough.

WTF are you going on about? The Trump admin is trying for regime change in Venezuela & they don't mind punishing the whole country to have it. They don't care what the Venezuelans want. If you agree with that, say so, but don't pretend it isn't happening.
 

glenn1

Lifer
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WTF are you going on about? The Trump admin is trying for regime change in Venezuela & they don't mind punishing the whole country to have it. They don't care what the Venezuelans want. If you agree with that, say so, but don't pretend it isn't happening.

I’m just surprised you haven’t moved there since Hugo Chavez’s “Bolivaran Revolution” sounds like your dream come true. You’d no longer need to deal with the rich you despise/envy so much and would be equally starving and enjoying 1,000,000% inflation with everyone else, true equality.
 
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