Court rules for NBC in George Zimmerman defamation case

Newell Steamer

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NBC's edited version of the call, MyNews13 reports, trimmed the dialog so that Zimmerman is saying simply: "This guy looks like he's up to no good ... He looks black."

NBC News fired at least two employees involved in the editing and publicly apologized, the Sentinel notes.

I don't see what the problem is here.

They screwed up, they fired the employees who did this.

He doesn't deserve jack shit.
 

Londo_Jowo

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The Judge (Debra Nelson) that ruled this is the same one that was on the bench during Zimmerman's criminal trail. I would not be surprised if it's overturned by an appeals court.
 

Cozarkian

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This quote from the NBC attorney is nuts:

Zimmerman is a public figure, Levine said, and could not prove that he was the victim of "actual malice",

I really hope the judge wasn't persuaded by that, because the only reason Zimmerman is a "public figure" is because of the media portrayal (i.e. because the defamation was successful).

Honestly, this is one of those cases where the journalist that did the editing should be liable for whatever "damages" there were, not NBC, and honestly, losing their job should be punishment enough.
 

Newell Steamer

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This quote from the NBC attorney is nuts:



I really hope the judge wasn't persuaded by that, because the only reason Zimmerman is a "public figure" is because of the media portrayal (i.e. because the defamation was successful).

Honestly, this is one of those cases where the journalist that did the editing should be liable for whatever "damages" there were, not NBC, and honestly, losing their job should be punishment enough.

Do you consider law enforcement officers as being "public figures"?
 

smackababy

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I think this will be overturned on appeal. NBC intentionally edited and took his comments out of context. While, there might have not been any malicious intent, it was incredibly irresponsible for them to portray him in such a way, especially considering what did happen and that a reasonable person could easily believe GZ was racist.

I really hope NBC loses, that way Nancy Grace has a chance of getting put in her place.
 

fskimospy

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This quote from the NBC attorney is nuts:

I really hope the judge wasn't persuaded by that, because the only reason Zimmerman is a "public figure" is because of the media portrayal (i.e. because the defamation was successful).

Honestly, this is one of those cases where the journalist that did the editing should be liable for whatever "damages" there were, not NBC, and honestly, losing their job should be punishment enough.

Zimmerman was a public figure almost immediately because of the trial, not due to NBC's statements. I think anyone trying to prove Zimmerman wasn't a public figure at the time of NBC's statements is going to have a very tough hill to climb.

The only way Zimmerman has a snowball's chance in hell IMO is if he's somehow able to convince a judge he wasn't a public figure. Otherwise, actual malice must be proven and that's almost impossible to do.

It's hard to see him ever winning anything on this.
 

Cozarkian

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Do you consider law enforcement officers as being "public figures"?

That's completely irrelevant as to whether Zimmerman is a public figure.

Ruling that a person in an involuntary public figure when the alleged defamatory statements were a cause of making the person such is begging the question. It basically creates the following situation:

If I defame you a little bit, I'm liable if I was negligent; if I defame you so successfully that the entire nation takes notice, then you have to prove I did it with actual malice.
 

Newell Steamer

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That's completely irrelevant as to whether Zimmerman is a public figure.

Nope.

It is quite relevant.

He was an active member of a citizen on patrol group for his neighborhood. He is not law enforcement, but he is out in the public's view to ensure the public is kept as safe as possible.

He is a public figure.
 

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Zimmerman was a public figure almost immediately because of the trial, not due to NBC's statements. I think anyone trying to prove Zimmerman wasn't a public figure at the time of NBC's statements is going to have a very tough hill to climb.

Even before the trial, he was a public figure. He was an active member of a citizen on patrol group for his neighborhood. He is not law enforcement, but he is out in the public's view to ensure the public is kept as safe as possible.

Outrage and injustice not found.

Lets move on please.
 

TerryMathews

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Even before the trial, he was a public figure. He was an active member of a citizen on patrol group for his neighborhood. He is not law enforcement, but he is out in the public's view to ensure the public is kept as safe as possible.

Outrage and injustice not found.

Lets move on please.
That's a stretch. Plus I thought you all declared he was self appointed and no one else was involved.

Which is it?
 

fskimospy

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That's completely irrelevant as to whether Zimmerman is a public figure.

Ruling that a person in an involuntary public figure when the alleged defamatory statements were a cause of making the person such is begging the question. It basically creates the following situation:

If I defame you a little bit, I'm liable if I was negligent; if I defame you so successfully that the entire nation takes notice, then you have to prove I did it with actual malice.

So you're saying he wasn't a public figure before NBC published that story on him? That strains credulity.
 

Cozarkian

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Zimmerman was a public figure almost immediately because of the trial, not due to NBC's statements.

He was a public figure because of the media attention about the shooting. Part of that media attention was NBC's statement, which occurred about 1 month after the shooting. It wasn't a "looking back" at the Trayvon Martin shooting story, it was a current events story. The actual malice requirement shouldn't apply to statements that are concurrent with, related to, and contribute toward turning someone into a public figure.
 

Newell Steamer

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That's a stretch. Plus I thought you all declared he was self appointed and no one else was involved.

Which is it?

I never did.

Personally, I would have called in whatever was the issue and let it be. But, it was found he was attacked and could not, so he had to defend himself. End of story.

You must have me confused with someone else. Or, you want to bring up a different discussion about this,... which if you do, see my 2nd and 3rd sentence.
 

classy

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This is just more nonsense from this killer. Even with the editing, his other comments clearly gave the impression part of his motivation was based on race. So its not like NBC posted anything that was not actually spoken by him. Editing comments is and has been a part of news broadcasting forever. But you have to ask the question even if you believe NBC is guilty, what is he really entitled to? Not much of anything to be honest. His life being destroyed is from the confrontation and his actions played a major part in the situation. He should have given all this a thought before he had a confrontation with someone we now know for a fact wasn't doing anything wrong.
 

fskimospy

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He was a public figure because of the media attention about the shooting. Part of that media attention was NBC's statement, which occurred about 1 month after the shooting. It wasn't a "looking back" at the Trayvon Martin shooting story, it was a current events story. The actual malice requirement shouldn't apply to statements that are concurrent with, related to, and contribute toward turning someone into a public figure.

NBC aired these claims starting on March 19th, 2012. As of that time there had already been numerous national news stories about the shooting in both print and nightly news media. I think if you're one of the lead stories on ABC nightly news, you're probably a public figure.
 

classy

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NBC aired these claims starting on March 19th, 2012. As of that time there had already been numerous national news stories about the shooting in both print and nightly news media. I think if you're one of the lead stories on ABC nightly news, you're probably a public figure.

Another good point. People forget that this was local news and did not become national until the police refused to allow the family to review the 911 tapes. That is how all this got started which was weeks after the fact. Several big news stations picked up the story, then it basically went viral.
 

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This quote from the NBC attorney is nuts:



I really hope the judge wasn't persuaded by that, because the only reason Zimmerman is a "public figure" is because of the media portrayal (i.e. because the defamation was successful).

Honestly, this is one of those cases where the journalist that did the editing should be liable for whatever "damages" there were, not NBC, and honestly, losing their job should be punishment enough.

Nice revisionist history. Zimmerman became a public figure the minute his name entered the news. Try this, figure out the date his name first entered the public conscience and then when the 911 tape was released and then when the NBC edit happened. I'm sure you'll have your answer.

Geez...
 

nehalem256

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This quote from the NBC attorney is nuts:

I really hope the judge wasn't persuaded by that, because the only reason Zimmerman is a "public figure" is because of the media portrayal (i.e. because the defamation was successful).

Honestly, this is one of those cases where the journalist that did the editing should be liable for whatever "damages" there were, not NBC, and honestly, losing their job should be punishment enough.

More importantly:

Actual malice in United States law is a condition required to establish libel against public officials or public figures and is defined as "knowledge that the information was false" or that it was published "with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not." Reckless disregard does not encompass mere neglect in following professional standards of fact checking.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actual_malice

Clearly NBC, did know it was false, because they were the one editing it in the first place to make it false.
 

Cozarkian

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Nope.

It is quite relevant.

He was an active member of a citizen on patrol group for his neighborhood. He is not law enforcement, but he is out in the public's view to ensure the public is kept as safe as possible.

He is a public figure.

I was right, completely irrelevant.

Docent at a museum - you advertise yourself as improving society by contributing to the arts - public figure.

Teacher at a private school - you are in public view as responsible for children's education - public figure.

Own a restaurant - you are in public view as a supplier of food, something essential to life - public figure.

Make a citizen's arrest on a shop lifter - protecting public safety - public figure.

Teenager advertises availability as babysitter - taking care of kids - public figure.

All of the above are better arguments than the one you made, but still wrong. Zimmerman simply did not make himself a public figure by joining the neighborhood watch. The media made him a public figure by 1) making a big deal about the "stand your ground" law and 2) portraying the case as a white-racist-kills-black-guy (and he isn't even white). I'm not claiming NBC should be liable, just that they should not benefit from the actual malice standard when the alleged defamation is a contributory cause of his status as a public figure.
 

Zargon

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This is just more nonsense from this killer. Even with the editing, his other comments clearly gave the impression part of his motivation was based on race. So its not like NBC posted anything that was not actually spoken by him. Editing comments is and has been a part of news broadcasting forever. But you have to ask the question even if you believe NBC is guilty, what is he really entitled to? Not much of anything to be honest. His life being destroyed is from the confrontation and his actions played a major part in the situation. He should have given all this a thought before he had a confrontation with someone we now know for a fact wasn't doing anything wrong.

to not have his statements edited erroneously and then passed off as truth, ya know, the same as the rest of us

the apology is worthless as the damage is already done. NBC holds some fault for employee people at a supposed news station that thinks its OK to falsify information in a news cast

regardless of what they have done

any sort of fair trial in a high profile case is hard enough in the US thanks to MM, when they think its OK to distort information to the public as a whole so they can potentially affect the verdict, that is not a good thing.
 
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