Yeah what they didnt realize back then is it creates an environment of mistrust in the unit and is ultimately bad for morale, same as hazing.In Vietnam my older brother used to talk about the "square needle in the left nut". Basically they would make the recruits enter a room one at a time, do something painless to them, but make each recruit scream bloody murder before they left and ushered the next guy in. He remembers every single guy sweating and shaking before going into that room lol
I got everything when I entered the Army, including smallpox which sucked, but much better than small pox all over the body I can imagine. I don't remember being given a choice lol
One important thing to note also is that Israel is no longer a particularly highly vaccinated population. They started off very strong but then fell off and have been passed by most other developed countries.
IIRC that's not what you said last time about vaccines. You basically poo-poo'd vaccines as having a significant role in ending the pandemic, and that is currently false.
I believe your recollection may be of a post on Aug 30 where I said -
The current vaccines are not going to get us to herd immunity and are proving to not be effective enough against the delta variant at preventing infection, transmission, illness or death that we can count on vaccines alone to give us a chance at returning to normal. More recently I said - "It still appears that we will not vaccinate our way out of this and we must put more focus on treatments and alternative prevention strategies."
Keeping in mind that even a mild case of covid can be brutal and will require, at minimum, a quarantine period, I believe these comments are still true. Even if every person in the country were to be vaccinated (with the current vaccines) the infection, illness and death rates from Delta would likely still be too high to allow a return to any kind of pre-pandemic normal. Vaccines will play a significant role but what I've been saying is that it doesn't appear as if they alone will bring an end to the pandemic.
As an example - In the case of a July prison outbreak in Texas, more than two thirds of the fully vaccinated people caught covid. One could say that cramped living conditions in prison contributed to the breakthrough spread but big cities and mass transit would offer similar cramped conditions. Being vaccinated did likely prevent any deaths or hospitalizations among these individuals but breakthrough infection rates anywhere near this in the outside world would still mean no return to pre-pandemic normal.
70% of fully vaccinated prisoners caught COVID-19 in a Texas Delta outbreak, the CDC says — but vaccines protected against severe disease
Of 129 fully vaccinated prisoners who caught COVID-19, only one was hospitalized. Unvaccinated people at the prison caught COVID-19 at a higher rate.www.businessinsider.com
On the bright side, here's news of an antiviral trial that looks promising. - https://www.jpost.com/health-and-we...eir-antiviral-drug-could-stop-covid-19-679437
We're just not going to agree fully here. You keep mentioning "alternative prevention" when the current vaccines are effective and safe. If a new variant escapes vaccine immunity, then yeah we're fucked and strategies will certainly have to change. Treatments are important, but the key takeaway is that vaccinated people who contract the virus (infection) seldom develop severe COVID-19 (the disease). Again, vaccines don't stop transmission of delta cold, but they do a good job of limiting bad outcomes.I believe your recollection may be of a post on Aug 30 where I said -
The current vaccines are not going to get us to herd immunity and are proving to not be effective enough against the delta variant at preventing infection, transmission, illness or death that we can count on vaccines alone to give us a chance at returning to normal. More recently I said - "It still appears that we will not vaccinate our way out of this and we must put more focus on treatments and alternative prevention strategies."
Keeping in mind that even a mild case of covid can be brutal and will require, at minimum, a quarantine period, I believe these comments are still true. Even if every person in the country were to be vaccinated (with the current vaccines) the infection, illness and death rates from Delta would likely still be too high to allow a return to any kind of pre-pandemic normal. Vaccines will play a significant role but what I've been saying is that it doesn't appear as if they alone will bring an end to the pandemic.
As an example - In the case of a July prison outbreak in Texas, more than two thirds of the fully vaccinated people caught covid. One could say that cramped living conditions in prison contributed to the breakthrough spread but big cities and mass transit would offer similar cramped conditions. Being vaccinated did likely prevent any deaths or hospitalizations among these individuals but breakthrough infection rates anywhere near this in the outside world would still mean no return to pre-pandemic normal.
70% of fully vaccinated prisoners caught COVID-19 in a Texas Delta outbreak, the CDC says — but vaccines protected against severe disease
Of 129 fully vaccinated prisoners who caught COVID-19, only one was hospitalized. Unvaccinated people at the prison caught COVID-19 at a higher rate.www.businessinsider.com
On the bright side, here's news of an antiviral trial that looks promising. - https://www.jpost.com/health-and-we...eir-antiviral-drug-could-stop-covid-19-679437
If we are talking influential political/media figures, like that radio host who publicly mocked AIDS-activists who died of the condition, I'm all for a shortage of compassion - there are limits, leave him to try and justify himself to his maker, if he can. But I'm just less inclined to think that about ordinary powerless people who tweeted stupid ideas they'd somehow gotten in their heads. I'm in favour of more incentives (stick or carrot) to get vaccinated, but I doubt being seen as gloating would lead to anything good.
However, I wrote the above before seeing this story
Canadian police seek man who allegedly punched nurse for vaccinating his wife
A man confronted a female nurse at a pharmacy in Quebec for giving his wife a Covid-19 vaccine ‘without his authorization’www.theguardian.com
As if on cue, Portugal's vaccination report was updated today:
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- top left --- people with @ least one dose
- top right --- people fully vaccinated: includes people with just one dose that had a previous COVID infection as well as people that took the single dose vaccine
- middle left --- age groups
- middle center --- @ least one dose: people and percentage
- middle right --- fully vaccinated: people and percentage
- bottom left --- doses the country has received
- bottom right --- doses the country has administered
Portugal is still examining the available data about vaccination of kids 6 to 11 years old.
It's surreal to see 100% coverage in two age groups. Portugal's daily new infections and deaths have slowed to a relative trickle and should continue to shrink.Nice to see the single dose number is close to fully vaccinated.
You see a good amount of drop off here.
Sure, so I got it from the main ATOT thread:
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Note that covers what the Brits are saying, but doesn't mean rest of world agrees. Like I said the first time, Pollard is basically having a semantic argument over the term "herd immunity." If people construe that as vaccines are less important, they are misrepresenting Pollard. Israel had a massive delta surge not long ago, and they have a well vaccinated population. Delta is what prompted the Israelis to fast-track boosters to seniors (note if RY62 was right, the Israelis would instead have done nothing).
Keep in the mind the key distinction here. There is SARS-CoV-2 viral transmission (infection) and at some level of symptoms, there is COVID-19 disease. The Brits are saying that with delta, you can't really break the chains of infections but vaccines can still prevent a lot of severe outcomes. Long COVID aside, preventing hospitalizations and deaths is what matters in the real world.
Nice to see the single dose number is close to fully vaccinated.
You see a good amount of drop off here.
It's surreal to see 100% coverage in two age groups. Portugal's daily new infections and deaths have slowed to a relative trickle and should continue to shrink.
The Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America is warning Covidiots that breathing in Hydrogen Peroxide is bad, mmmkay! Good lord! Is there any dangerous, non-approved chemical they won’t try?
https://community.aafa.org/blog/danger-don-t-nebulize-hydrogen-peroxide-and-breathe-it-to-try-to-treat-or-prevent-covid-19?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+asthma-allergy+(Asthma+and+Allergy+Foundation+of+America:+Blog+Posts)
Salad dressing is southen speak. He means the sauce they dip their hot wings in.General Michael Flynn believes “they” are putting the vaccine in salad dressing :
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1440644282759614478/
Salad dressing is just silly. What self-respecting Trumpist eats salads? Will the vaccine survive deep fat frying?
Flynn should investigate the link to salad dressing and Nicki Minaj’s cousins friends balls
He is a real life General Ripper. Good thing he isn't in a position to execute Plan R.General Michael Flynn believes “they” are putting the vaccine in salad dressing :
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1440644282759614478/
Salad dressing is just silly. What self-respecting Trumpist eats salads? Will the vaccine survive deep fat frying?
Flynn should investigate the link to salad dressing and Nicki Minaj’s cousins friends balls
Maybe his brain was microwaved
Army Officer Admits Having All Vaccines But Not COVID-19 Shot Because Of 'Freedom' | HuffPost
It's also amusing that he seems to be objecting to it based on the Army's mandate. I'm not sure if he noticed in his 18 years of service but the Army can order you to charge a machine gun nest and shoot you if you refuse so I'm not really clear as to what freedom of his he thinks is being infringed.I saw that article too and I have no words to describe the stupidity involved with these people. Not only giving up his retirement, but that and still being stupid and not get the vaccine.
She put her children first except for the key step of taking care of herself to make sure she would actually be around for them. Fucking dumb ass.Same age as me, 4 kids without a momma :/
Mother of four who proudly proclaimed her anti-vax status dies of COVID (msn.com)
The Asthma and Allergy Foundation of America is warning Covidiots that breathing in Hydrogen Peroxide is bad, mmmkay! Good lord! Is there any dangerous, non-approved chemical they won’t try?
https://community.aafa.org/blog/danger-don-t-nebulize-hydrogen-peroxide-and-breathe-it-to-try-to-treat-or-prevent-covid-19?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+asthma-allergy+(Asthma+and+Allergy+Foundation+of+America:+Blog+Posts)