These are the states ranked based on highest deaths per capita. Is there a pattern in these numbers?
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These are the states ranked based on highest deaths per capita. Is there a pattern in these numbers?I don't really agree with that, the numbers just don't support that statement. I we just look at the number of deaths per million, LA County has done about the same as Florida as a whole, 2600 deaths per million, versus 2900. Now if you correct that for age, mortality is about the same. Meanwhile, we've been wearing masks for 17 months!
I don't really agree with that, the numbers just don't support that statement. I we just look at the number of deaths per million, LA County has done about the same as Florida as a whole, 2600 deaths per million, versus 2900. Now if you correct that for age, mortality is about the same. Meanwhile, we've been wearing masks for 17 months!
The reason for that should be obvious. How many residents per dwelling in LA vs. Florida?I don't really agree with that, the numbers just don't support that statement. I we just look at the number of deaths per million, LA County has done about the same as Florida as a whole, 2600 deaths per million, versus 2900. Now if you correct that for age, mortality is about the same. Meanwhile, we've been wearing masks for 17 months!
Who cares? I do and every single friend of mine who is a doctor does. It's preposterous to pretend there's no number of shots that's unreasonable, and mind-numbingly foolish.
Reading comprehension fail AGAIN. I wrote "to pretend there's no number of shots that's unreasonable " is mind-numbingly foolish. Are you not a native English speaker?Lol mind numbingly foolish is taking precautions to avoid this virus???
The reason for that should be obvious. How many residents per dwelling in LA vs. Florida?
This is the same mistake people made when they said COVID was death for density. Absolute nonsense - COVID is death for CROWDING.
The south has exceptionally low crowding - COVID control should have been easy for them. They were just too stupid to do it.
I'm NOT against the shots and neither are my friends and for you to suggest that is either dumb or disingenuous. Again, I TOOK the shot. Now, the WHO is against boosters for healthy people. I thought we trust in the science around here....Any doctor who is against shots just because of an arbitrary number is a quack. I am not for jumping headfirst into any shot they tell me I need, I will judge each booster based on the data and risk, but to simply say - more than an initial dose is just bad is stupid as hell. Multiple very successful vaccines need 3-4 shots. I mean these people are ridiculous.
To be honest, they are tired of people like YOU who have misused science to spread irrational fear, or make promises that are unrealistic, IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE, all the while calling every other person who doesn't agree with you stupid.Yea right, "they" tired of your bs.
A pattern huh? Only one I see is that there isn't much difference based on political leanings; I mean NY state is quite blue isn't it? Its death rate is higher than Florida!These are the states ranked based on highest deaths per capita. Is there a pattern in these numbers?
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That's what he meant by crowding (as opposed to density). L.A. County has a lot of lower income, multi-generational households where the adults work service jobs without a WFH option. So once one family member brings COVID home, it's kind of game over for everyone (prior to vaccines). Couple this with the end of social distancing leading into holidays 2020, and L.A. County was the COVID epicenter for a while a year ago.There's density, and then there's multigenerational families in close proximity. Some of the worst hit initially were low income families that had large groups of people living under the same roof. NYC got hit hard by that one, I'm sure LA did too.
Because there HAS to be a minimum effectiveness to a remedy to offset the potential side effects. How can you even argue that there is no maximum? Would you take a booster EVERY SINGLE DAY? Of course not.Why?
At that point LA County was already at 2400 deaths per million. Cherry picking data without proper analysis is how we got into this mess in the first place. You guys....I'll just offer this up.. Here's increased death rates *AFTER* a vaccine was available.
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Outside of complete isolation, the vaccine is currently the most effective option to avoid covid. Even if this took daily shots, so be it.Reading comprehension fail AGAIN. I wrote "to pretend there's no number of shots that's unreasonable " is mind-numbingly foolish. Are you not a native English speaker?
You aren’t making any sense. Why is the number of shots the determining factor? You’re being irrational.Because there HAS to be a minimum effectiveness to a remedy to offset the potential side effects. How can you even argue that there is no maximum? Would you take a booster EVERY SINGLE DAY? Of course not.
And that brings us to kids and the vaccine. The English government has decided to NOT vaccinate healthy youngsters and I believe that's the right decision. With not even 700 deaths in the under 18 age bracket in the US in these last 16 months, the risk of committing suicide is much higher than dying from Covid in this age group. Now do you believe that this horror show has decreased the number of suicides amongst kids?
NY was hit hard in the very beginning before we knew anything about the disease, then the numbers dropped significantly. Same as New Jersey. Look at the little graphs on each line.A pattern huh? Only one I see is that there isn't much difference based on political leanings; I mean NY state is quite blue isn't it? Its death rate is higher than Florida!
You do realize your analysis is terrible, right? Comparing LA to Florida is total incompetence.At that point LA County was already at 2400 deaths per million. Cherry picking data without proper analysis is how we got into this mess in the first place. You guys....
My GOD you guys are something else. I didn't say it's "the" determining factor, but it has to be "one of".You aren’t making any sense. Why is the number of shots the determining factor? You’re being irrational.
How very scientific of you! This is perhaps the worst argument yet in this incredible thread.NY was hit hard in the very beginning before we knew anything about the disease, then the numbers dropped significantly. Same as New Jersey. Look at the little graphs on each line.
The rest are southern red states. If it weren't for the high death rates at the very beginning in New York and New Jersey, all top 10 would be southern red states.
How so? I never said they were the same, but people are people. And the larger the number, the more the law of averages plays. LA County has 10 million people and a VERY diverse population. Its response to the pandemic has been almost 180 degrees different than Florida's. The number of deaths per million is not that different and their population is WAY older on average.You do realize your analysis is terrible, right? Comparing LA to Florida is total incompetence.
But for most healthy people, there isn't the need to avoid it, AND you're assuming that it's even POSSIBLE to avoid it forever.Outside of complete isolation, the vaccine is currently the most effective option to avoid covid. Even if this took daily shots, so be it.
To be honest, they are tired of people like YOU who have misused science to spread irrational fear, or make promises that are unrealistic, IN THE NAME OF SCIENCE, all the while calling every other person who doesn't agree with you stupid.
Go look up the median residents per household and then get back to us. They are not comparable.How so? I never said they were the same, but people are people. And the larger the number, the more the law of averages plays. LA County has 10 million people and a VERY diverse population. Its response to the pandemic has been almost 180 degrees different than Florida's. The number of deaths per million is not that different and their population is WAY older on average.
Let me put it this way: it is a FAR more reasonable comparison than the one between Covid and Polio which you guys seem SO eager to make all the time.
Can you tell us the argument your many doctor friends made as to shot quantity?My GOD you guys are something else. I didn't say it's "the" determining factor, but it has to be "one of".
Listen, EVERY medical procedure has side effects; with a proper Covid vaccination (and don't get me started about how aspiration is not done regularly in the US) the risks are exceedingly low. BUT, the number of shots is a multiplier for the actual INCIDENCES of side effects. If the chance is 1 in a million, but you get a million shots.....
This whole black-or-white nonsense is how we got into this mess in the FIRST place and you guys don't seem to get that. Again, I took the vaccine. I told multiple dear friends to get it. But I'm TELLING you, denying the existence of risk is NOT gonna help your case.
I just did in the paragraph you quoted! Are you serious? Are you suggesting I don't have doctors amongst my friends because that's a preposterous insinuation my friend! Do you think I wouldn't discuss this pandemic with them? Your accusations are WAY OFF BASE!Can you tell us the argument your many doctor friends made as to shot quantity?
To be clear I’m pretty confident you were lying but I’m open to being convinced otherwise.